Standard and quality of referees in the Npower Championship

[acooling08]

Absolutely terrible decision from the referee today after he had a great first half.

I actually said 'good tackle' then had to do a double take when it was given.

Robbed another 2 points.

Go fuck yourself you ugly bald cunt.

[Haydos]

Absolutely terrible decision from the referee today after he had a great first half.

I actually said 'good tackle' then had to do a double take when it was given.

Robbed another 2 points.

Go fuck yourself you ugly bald cunt.

I just laughed. I did the same, gave him a little clap then just opened my mouth when I saw him point to the spot.

[Legend_in_blue]

This is not good enough.

Blackburn 3 pts

Palace 1 pt

Watford 1 pt

Bolton 2 pts

Today 2 pts

One third roughly of the season gone and the officials have already cost us as many points as they did over the course of ALL of last season.

There is a conspiracy going on here. The officials have some sort of agenda going on.

As NP eluded to on the touch line "it's about time you took some ******** responsibility"

Too right. Total joke.

[Guest ttfn]

There was nothing wrong with the refereeing at Watford.

Today's referee has definitively cost us 2 points.

[morris1234]

It's about consistency and I mean that including decisions against us.

So when the opposition are clearly time wasting, kicking the ball away etc and nothing is even said..that p1sses me off

Having a linesman (nearest kop) who looked almost like he couldn't be bothered to raise his flag, even after the throw in was taken he would raise it, one in particular he gave it one way and after the ref gave it the other?? Why have microphones then? Communication was crap..that p1sses me off.

Potentially fans could've been hurt and/ or thrown out for Simon coxs celebration, of which he continued in front of the linesman, who said nothing and actually looked to smile at him...that p1sses me off!

I don't even want to comment on the penalty.

Players and managers have reprocussions AND have the public embarrassment for making mistakes.

What happens to refs? Dropped down a league and any discipline is behind closed doors.

Come out and apologise saying you've made a mistake, tell us why you gave said decision as terr must've some reason - most fans will accept that as there's nothing left the ref could do once yh game finished.

INSTEAD - we have arrogant refs who turn their nose up at ALL the city players without an explanation over a decision he just made? How does that work - ill give a penalty against you and I won't explain to you why, ill send you away from me.

Referees are UNTOUCHABLE.

We all make mistakes, most normal minded fans know this, and the decisions make the game what it is, but all we ask for is accountability, honesty, and communication!

[acooling08]

This is my 'keep track of referees costing us points' word document:

Blackburn (a) – At 1-1, Vardy header wrongly disallowed for offside. Lost 2-1 in final minute.

Palace (h) – 2 blatant decisions turned down. Lost 2-1

Bolton (a) – 0-0, blatant pen turned down

Forest (h) – 2-1 up then terrible decision (pen) for forest, ended 2-2

[AKCJ]

Today's game Anthony Taylor is the referee. Here is a sample of what I found...!

"Taylor sent three players off in his first game of the 2011-12 season. Middlesbrough won 1–0 at Leeds United in a fixture which saw Jonny Howson and Max Gradel of Leeds and Boro's Tony McMahon dismissed, all for second yellow card offences. Leeds manager Simon Grayson said afterwards: "There wasn't a dirty challenge and three players have been sent off."[19] Taylor refereed a total of 34 matches that season and sent-off eight players in total, including the three at Leeds."

Looks like he's an ideal candidate for todays game then.

He has done premier league games, but for the most part seems to have cocked them up, according to Wikipedia.

I blame you.

[Aleksz]

It's about consistency and I mean that including decisions against us.

So when the opposition are clearly time wasting, kicking the ball away etc and nothing is even said..that p1sses me off

Having a linesman (nearest kop) who looked almost like he couldn't be bothered to raise his flag, even after the throw in was taken he would raise it, one in particular he gave it one way and after the ref gave it the other?? Why have microphones then? Communication was crap..that p1sses me off.

Potentially fans could've been hurt and/ or thrown out for Simon coxs celebration, of which he continued in front of the linesman, who said nothing and actually looked to smile at him...that p1sses me off!

I don't even want to comment on the penalty.

Players and managers have reprocussions AND have the public embarrassment for making mistakes.

What happens to refs? Dropped down a league and any discipline is behind closed doors.

Come out and apologise saying you've made a mistake, tell us why you gave said decision as terr must've some reason - most fans will accept that as there's nothing left the ref could do once yh game finished.

INSTEAD - we have arrogant refs who turn their nose up at ALL the city players without an explanation over a decision he just made? How does that work - ill give a penalty against you and I won't explain to you why, ill send you away from me.

Referees are UNTOUCHABLE.

We all make mistakes, most normal minded fans know this, and the decisions make the game what it is, but all we ask for is accountability, honesty, and communication!

What did cox do? Never saw it

[morris1234]

What did cox do? Never saw it

Instead of celebrating, Came right up to the ad board, opened up his body as if to offer himself up to the kop, then turned and stood there pointing at his name which he did as he walked away. I'm up for games man ship as the next person and pointing at his shirt is harmless../ was just how he seemed to walk after his goal, purposely over to a section of fans like he did. Uncalled for really.

[adam95581]

I think we have been on the wrong end of some poor decisions a lot this season, but I am also starting to think that maybe referees perform no worse when refereeing our games than they do when reffing other games. Perhaps the fact that we are not closing out matches properly/taking chances means that we are allowing their mistakes to cost us points!?

I think Nigel made a good point about making referees accountable for their actions - perhaps they wouldn't be so quick to make a decision unless they were absolutely sure it was the right one?

[rico]

Instead of celebrating, Came right up to the ad board, opened up his body as if to offer himself up to the kop, then turned and stood there pointing at his name which he did as he walked away. I'm up for games man ship as the next person and pointing at his shirt is harmless../ was just how he seemed to walk after his goal, purposely over to a section of fans like he did. Uncalled for really.

Cox the cock,apt name then

[davieG]

Instead of celebrating, Came right up to the ad board, opened up his body as if to offer himself up to the kop, then turned and stood there pointing at his name which he did as he walked away. I'm up for games man ship as the next person and pointing at his shirt is harmless../ was just how he seemed to walk after his goal, purposely over to a section of fans like he did. Uncalled for really.

I'm more concerned with his deliberate time wasting and kicking the ball away, he can celebrate a goal he likes fans give but many just haven't learnt to take.

[morris1234]

I think we have been on the wrong end of some poor decisions a lot this season, but I am also starting to think that maybe referees perform no worse when refereeing our games than they do when reffing other games. Perhaps the fact that we are not closing out matches properly/taking chances means that we are allowing their mistakes to cost us points!?

I think Nigel made a good point about making referees accountable for their actions - perhaps they wouldn't be so quick to make a decision unless they were absolutely sure it was the right one?

That's a very good point and an interesting way of looking at it.

I suppose then you risk it going the other way...through fear of getting it wrong we will have a speight of penalty kicks turned down...oh wait hang on! :D

[MooseBreath]

If referees can't do a competent job then we need to use technology. Referees are becoming so bad that it's getting to the point where they routinely have more influence over the result than team performance or tactics. This is ruining football. Yesterday was absolutely abysmal and not for the first time. People won't continue to bother with football when you know the game will be decided by who benefits most from refereeing cock ups.

[Guest Col city fan]

If referees can't do a competent job then we need to use technology. Referees are becoming so bad that it's getting to the point where they routinely have more influence over the result than team performance or tactics. This is ruining football. Yesterday was absolutely abysmal and not for the first time. People won't continue to bother with football when you know the game will be decided by who benefits most from refereeing cock ups.

I'm still unsure...

Goal-line technology yes. It's ridiculous that this isn't in place already.

But introducing further technology will surely introduce a start-stop situation to football, where incidents are played over until a final decision is reached. Do people want this? It works in cricket but that's a slower game both to watch and to play.

Football is about keeping the play going, getting frustrated at referees, telling the linesman to shove his flag up his arris etc....

I'm not sure I want a game which is so controlled by accuracy of decisions it's gonna almost neutralise 'passion' even further?

And what will we have to talk about after games?

[Basingstoke Fox]

This is my 'keep track of referees costing us points' word document:

Blackburn (a) – At 1-1, Vardy header wrongly disallowed for offside. Lost 2-1 in final minute.

Palace (h) – 2 blatant decisions turned down. Lost 2-1

Bolton (a) – 0-0, blatant pen turned down

Forest (h) – 2-1 up then terrible decision (pen) for forest, ended 2-2

This is not good enough.

Blackburn 3 pts

Palace 1 pt

Watford 1 pt

Bolton 2 pts

Today 2 pts

I'm not sure whether we would've got anything from the Palace game even if we did get the penalty and convert it. We lost 2-1 because of a goal we scored in the last couple of minutes, we also didn't deserve a point from that game. I was at the Watford game and can't remember a genuine claim for a penalty there, in fact, we were shite at Watford and again, we deserved to lose.

Haven't seen the Bolton decision yet but it did sound harsh. It also sounded like a game where we could've gone on to win and arguably cost us 2 points.

However, in the Blackburn and Forest games we were truly robbed. Very disappointed about that because we played very well and I don't think it's us spurning chances that would've won us those games, because if we got the decisions going our way as they should've done, we would've got the extra 4 points.

Also thought the penalty Brighton got was quite harsh too. Luckily it didn't matter. And for anybody that says we were lucky against Blackpool, well possibly but we also had 2 other big shouts in that game which weren't given so perhaps that evened itself out.

It would be interesting if we continued to update this thread over the season for any decisions that go for and against us with as much honesty as possible. We can see whether these decisions really do even themselves out over the course of a season.... Somehow I doubt it!

[ealingfox]

Does anyone remember, some time after the end of a season in which we were relegated from the Prem, an alternative table being produced which had corrected and redistributed points for all the most erroneous refereeing decisions? And it had us staying up, maybe even quite comfortably....

I am starting to get a horrible feeling we will be doing the same thing at the end of this season, but when we are staying down instead of going up.

This is getting really strange now. The frequency and significance of these decisions going against us is a real cause for concern. I understand people's points about us allowing referee mistakes to cost us points, and we are, but really it does not justify the mistakes, nor does it mean they haven't fvcked us.

Decisions yesterday an absolute joke. Two blatant handballs not given in two games!

[Happy Fox]

Something needs to be done asap I cannot stand much longer for these shite refereeing decisions to continue the authorities need to take action and implement video review technology like in Rugby and Cricket please hurry up!

[Harry - LCFC]

Looks like Forest have had a bit of a dig at referees on their website - "Forest’s first penalty in 14 months earned them a creditable draw at East Midlands rivals Leicester City this afternoon."

14 months?!

Fvcking hell that is quite a while! I've not been happy with the amount of penalties we've received but that has really surprised me. I can't imagine in all that time that they will have had zero incidents warranting a penalty.

[davieG]

I'm still unsure...

Goal-line technology yes. It's ridiculous that this isn't in place already.

But introducing further technology will surely introduce a start-stop situation to football, where incidents are played over until a final decision is reached. Do people want this? It works in cricket but that's a slower game both to watch and to play.

Football is about keeping the play going, getting frustrated at referees, telling the linesman to shove his flag up his arris etc....

I'm not sure I want a game which is so controlled by accuracy of decisions it's gonna almost neutralise 'passion' even further?

And what will we have to talk about after games?

We already have a stop start where players spend endless time moaning about perceived wrong decisions and how long does it take to set up freekicks these days, you could visit the club shop in the time they take.

That's not a justification for technology just saying stop starting play is a major reason.

It's not that referees are particularly worse, the games faster, there's more money riding on results, 3 points for a win has made wins more essential so people get upset quicker and are more inclined to moan in fact our culture has change significantly where it's now ok and our right to moan

[Basingstoke Fox]

It makes for painful watching but we were subjected to this sh**e last season too.

[Mack]

Penalty decisions are a matter of opinion rather than a black and white call, you cant hand them over to a machine.

However what is wrong with having a manager's challenge option?

A manager could have one challenge each half for major game changing decisions like a penalty or a goal disallowed for offside.

The 4th official could then review with a monitor.

[Carl the Llama]

Don't think anyone's mentioned this (because it doesn't fit in with their ludicrous assertion that "BBC h4t3s l3staaa"), but The Football League show yesterday was quite clear in their assertion that the ref did us over with the 2 decisions combined. I thought it was fair enough to give the 50/50 decision for F****t's pen, but strangely they said it was definitely not a pen.

We can all agree the ref fvcked up on the handball.

[Les-TA-Jon]

That forest vid still makes me so angry. Absolute joke that referee performance. You can say that players can "see the red" but that time it was clearly the ref. Was just determined to send Kaspar off as soon as he had the audacity to challenge the penalty decision.

[acooling08]

Why not have the same system as Tennis?

Each team gets 3 challenges to referee's decisions.

If the referee was right then you lose a challenge, if the referee was wrong the decision is overturned and you keep the challenge.