hackneyfox Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 If he was to score 15 goals alongside Nugent who matched that number and we were to get promoted then he'd be value for money. I don't see Fuxsake or Waghorn scoring that number.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Exactly what I said straight after Sundays game. Playing this way COULD bring out the best of Beckford. However, you can debate all you like, I simply don't think Nige wants to keep him. Why? Value for money... It's important now people. Beckford has never shown he warrants being paid anything like 30+ k a week. Nowhere near. 30k a year is chucking money away . . . . .
marko Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 What about his premiership record? I think we were in the Championship last time I checked.
marty78 Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 If he was to score 15 goals alongside Nugent who matched that number and we were to get promoted then he'd be value for money. I don't see Fuxsake or Waghorn scoring that number. No need to shout buddy.
Captain... Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Rubbish arguments, mostly of the 'if my auntie had balls.......' variety. What is interesting is that in the last couple of games we have played with a creative type in the hole, along with a midfield that is becoming adept at threading passes through to breaking strikers or playing neat balls into feet in and around the area....... Now, as that is the style of play that is said to be to Beckford's strengths, I would have thought that he would have been busting a gut to get a game........ Yet he was not even on the bench sunday! Hmm, I don't know if I agree, at Leeds he was most successful playing off a big man, at least that is what I have been lead to believe on here, I don't remember Leeds playing particularly creative football, but had some good wingers and Beckford and Becchio up front. I can't remember off the top of my head, but how many of Beckford's goals came from being played in with a neat little ball from the midfield, and how many were from crosses or long balls? Genuine question, I can think of some headed goals, some scrappy finishes, some first time shots when it fell to him in the area. I can also think of him being played in and scuffing it terribly, or blasting it high and wide. I'm sure this is probably down to my awful memory, more than anything else, but I don't know where this idea he suits fast passed flowing creative football comes from, to me he is an instinctive striker, if the ball drops to him under pressure he will get a snap shot away, but I don't think he is that good at making space for himself and scoring when he has the time to think about it.
Bert Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 If he was to score 15 goals alongside Nugent who matched that number and we were to get promoted then he'd be value for money. I don't see Fuxsake or Waghorn scoring that number. Like the fifteen he scored last season? I think we were in the Championship last time I checked. So why can people bring Beckford's league one record into things?
Babylon Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Like the fifteen he scored last season? Shame they weren't league goals otherwise we might have made the playoffs hey.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 30k a year is chucking money away . . . . . A week mate! Look at it this way. If you had watched Beckford play for the past year and someone was selling him for 2.5 million and wages of 30k per week (allegedly) would you touch him? And give him a 4 yr contract? Especially in this financial climate? I'd go nowhere near given these circumstances. His performances, LEAGUE goals and all round play does not represent anywhere near value for money IMO. People might not like seeing footballers as commodities in this way... But it's the times and we need to do so as much as any other club.
Raw Dykes Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Shame they weren't league goals otherwise we might have made the playoffs hey.
marko Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 So why can people bring Beckford's league one record into things? The post/posts you replied to made no mention of Beckford's League 1 record. Why not be really arbitrary and bring International records into it?!
Captain... Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 The post/posts you replied to made no mention of Beckford's League 1 record. Why not be really arbitrary and bring International records into it?! David Nugent 100% goals to games ratio :scarf: :scarf:
marko Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 David Nugent 100% goals to games ratio :scarf: :scarf: Waghorn with 2 in 4 for the U21's, as well.
Babylon Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Seeing as many people love the fact Mr Beckford scored 15 goals last year (9 in the league and 6 in the cup). At what point (for you) does the league to cup goals ratio become not good enough and a problem? For me 9 goals in the league is rubbish for the outlay, 6 cup goals is very nice but does nothing for our league standing which is what Mr Beckford was purchased to improve. Give me him scoring 15 league goals and 0 in the cup any day of the week, as we might stand a chance of promotion. 5 in the league and 10 in the cup. What about that, still happy? 1 in the league and 14 in the cup. Is that ok as well? If he scored 10 in the cup and 0 in the league and we won the FA cup then I would let him off a poor league tally, but we didn't and we probably won't.
Bert Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Shame they weren't league goals otherwise we might have made the playoffs hey. Regardless. He still scored 15 goals in professional football for Leicester City last season. Whether they were in the league, cup or whether you choose to count them or not - In history books, Jermaine Beckford scored 15 times for Leicester City in the 2011/2012 SEASON. Does Ben Marshall's goal of the season not count because that was in the FA Cup?
Bert Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Seeing as many people love the fact Mr Beckford scored 15 goals last year (9 in the league and 6 in the cup). At what point (for you) does the league to cup goals ratio become not good enough and a problem? For me 9 goals in the league is rubbish for the outlay, 6 cup goals is very nice but does nothing for our league standing which is what Mr Beckford was purchased to improve. Give me him scoring 15 league goals and 0 in the cup any day of the week, as we might stand a chance of promotion. 5 in the league and 10 in the cup. What about that, still happy? 1 in the league and 14 in the cup. Is that ok as well? If he scored 10 in the cup and 0 in the league and we won the FA cup then I would let him off a poor league tally, but we didn't and we probably won't. I'd be happy with 14 in a cup competition - we'd more than likely win it.
Mark_w Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Regardless. He still scored 15 goals in professional football for Leicester City last season. Whether they were in the league, cup or whether you choose to count them or not - In history books, Jermaine Beckford scored 15 times for Leicester City in the 2011/2012 SEASON. Does Ben Marshall's goal of the season not count because that was in the FA Cup? It's not that they don't count, it's just that they don't matter.
Ashley Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Seeing as many people love the fact Mr Beckford scored 15 goals last year (9 in the league and 6 in the cup). At what point (for you) does the league to cup goals ratio become not good enough and a problem? For me 9 goals in the league is rubbish for the outlay, 6 cup goals is very nice but does nothing for our league standing which is what Mr Beckford was purchased to improve. Give me him scoring 15 league goals and 0 in the cup any day of the week, as we might stand a chance of promotion. 5 in the league and 10 in the cup. What about that, still happy? 1 in the league and 14 in the cup. Is that ok as well? If he scored 10 in the cup and 0 in the league and we won the FA cup then I would let him off a poor league tally, but we didn't and we probably won't. A goal is well a goal you can only score against what is in front of you your argument about cup games is just pathetic. THEY ALL COUNT. end of.
Bert Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 The post/posts you replied to made no mention of Beckford's League 1 record. Why not be really arbitrary and bring International records into it?! Check the thread or the Danns bust-up one, can't remember which now. I said beckford scored more league goals than Waggy, Schlupp and Futacs and one reply came back "how many were in league one?" It's not that they don't count, it's just that they don't matter. Try telling the players that score the goals that. Do you go to any cup games?
Jace Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 I do think it is a little unfair Beckford is being judged on last season for performances where he really wasn't provided much quality to work with from midfield. I think it would be very interesting to see how he would perform with a player like Knockeart or even Marshall if given the freedom to play attacking just behind him, then again I also agree he was given a chance beginning of this season and against Blackpool was as bad as I've ever seen a striker play
Happy Fox Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 The semantics of whether Beckford is good enough or not is getting quite tiresome just have to trust NP's judgement if he doesn't think he is good enough than fair enough, it isn't as if he is going to displace Vardy and Nugent will he be content on the bench I think not best thing to do is to let him got out on loan to Huddersfield after we play them.
Mark_w Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Do you go to any cup games? I go to some, went to Swindon and Forest last year. It was nice to see them scored, but when we're discussing whether he's good enough at this level, they really are irrelevant.
Captain... Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 Seeing as many people love the fact Mr Beckford scored 15 goals last year (9 in the league and 6 in the cup). At what point (for you) does the league to cup goals ratio become not good enough and a problem? For me 9 goals in the league is rubbish for the outlay, 6 cup goals is very nice but does nothing for our league standing which is what Mr Beckford was purchased to improve. Give me him scoring 15 league goals and 0 in the cup any day of the week, as we might stand a chance of promotion. 5 in the league and 10 in the cup. What about that, still happy? 1 in the league and 14 in the cup. Is that ok as well? If he scored 10 in the cup and 0 in the league and we won the FA cup then I would let him off a poor league tally, but we didn't and we probably won't. It depends on what you are judging him on? Is it the success of last season, or his ability as a striker? Last season in the league his lack of goals failed to propel us in to the playoffs, but his goals in the cup gave us season highlights against Forest and Norwich. So a mixed bag really, but if our aim was to win promotion his contribution was poor. But if he had scored 15 in the league and we still had the same points tally, and didn't get promoted does that make him a better striker? If you are using it to judge his ability then it is different, he has the ability to score a hat-trick against Championship clubs, whether he scored the hat-trick in the league or in the cup, he was there and he took his chances, scored a hat-trick against Forest :scarf: Stats are not reliable and are only an indicator, you also have to look at the quality of the goals, how many of those goals could have been scored by anyone who was in that position and how many did he create for himself, or create for others. Compared to Ben Marshall, who didn't score as many as Beckford, but he did score from nothing and, like Gallagher, can win matches on his own with goals like that, and break down stubborn defences. Nugent has also shown the ability to smash in a pile driver as well as poke one home. The question now is this: Is 15 goals in 40 starts good enough to warrant playing him though this barren patch ahead of Vardy, Waghorn, Futacs all 3 having scored more recently than Beckford.
Babylon Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 A goal is well a goal you can only score against what is in front of you your argument about cup games is just pathetic. THEY ALL COUNT. end of. But they don't count towards promotion, and that's what we are here for. Did the owners buy him to reach the quarter final of a cup or to reach the premier league? You not concerned he only managed to score in 7 league games? Why wasn't he able to score against Championship teams more often if so good in the cup? Does he only get up for televised games? Is there a reason behind it?
Bert Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 I go to some, went to Swindon and Forest last year. It was nice to see them scored, but when we're discussing whether he's good enough at this level, they really are irrelevant. Why did you go if the games didn't matter?
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 September 2012 Posted 26 September 2012 But they don't count towards promotion, and that's what we are here for. Did the owners buy him to reach the quarter final of a cup or to reach the premier league? You not concerned he only managed to score in 7 league games? Why wasn't he able to score against Championship teams more often if so good in the cup? I'm with ya... Nobody has answered the question of whether they would sign him NOW based upon what they've seen.
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