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Ric Flair

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By Ric Flair, in General Football and Sport

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Izzy

Izzy

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Posted
50 minutes ago, Smashing-Pumpkin said:

The format as it is now is just basically a mess, other than being fast (and why is fast good anyway?

On final day for example, you want the ampitheatre of the crowd being around the last group on the banks....not half the fans being on the other side of the course not knowing whos winning.

The fast format did my head in. The graphics in the corner saying '03 holes to go' made it feel like a race.

 

My understanding is the players will now go out in leaderboard order. On the final day, the last group will tee off the first with the theory being it all ends up with everyone crowded around the 18th watching the winner come from the last group.

 

I think that's the idea.

Raj

Raj

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Not a follower of golf at all, but isnt this like the European Super League of footy thatve everyone hated and was then shelved for now.

It's all about the $$$$$.

Cant  understand why people on here were having a go at the journalists  for asking the players if they basically have an morals and would they play in Russia  If the money was right.

Good on the journalists.

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Robo61

Robo61

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, Raj said:

Not a follower of golf at all, but isnt this like the European Super League of footy thatve everyone hated and was then shelved for now.

It's all about the $$$$$.

Cant  understand why people on here were having a go at the journalists  for asking the players if they basically have an morals and would they play in Russia  If the money was right.

Good on the journalists.

It is actaully worse than the Super League,  as that had a proper business plan behind it,  this is merely the Saudi Regime buying sport with no prospect of getting  its money back,  nothing but Sportswashing.

 

Smashing-Pumpkin

Smashing-Pumpkin

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, Raj said:

Not a follower of golf at all, but isnt this like the European Super League of footy thatve everyone hated and was then shelved for now.

It's all about the $$$$$.

Cant  understand why people on here were having a go at the journalists  for asking the players if they basically have an morals and would they play in Russia  If the money was right.

Good on the journalists.

The DP World Tour has played in Russia during the Putin regime, and the DP and LET tours have stops in Qatar, Saudi Arabia and China.

 

Does this make the people who run the tours and everyone who participates in the events, men and women with full fields, immoral?

 

Or, as i said previously, because the prize funds are the same as the other events, no one cares.

 

Which one is it?

Izzy

Izzy

Posted
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Pony leaderboard after day 2 really. Realistically only Schwartzel and Du Plessis in with a chance of winning.

 

Pretty much all the 'big' names struggling and the quality of golf in general hasn't been that good IMO.

 

The commentators still trying to make tomorrow exciting by bigging up the team element of it :rolleyes:

 

I'll probably still watch out of curiosity and must admit I quite like the fact it's all done and dusted in 4.5 hours.

 

Smashing-Pumpkin

Smashing-Pumpkin

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One big minus of the coverage ive watched so far, is there is little to no insight at all into the shots the players are facing, what difficulties they encounter such as lies, wind etc, and no insight from anyone thats played the game.

 

his diminishes the product for me massively. Even things like trackman data like launch angles and ballspeed  are welcome additions to skys PGA Tour coverage.

 

I thought they might trick the course up a bit for more excitement too but they dont seem to have done. But the pins in bowls, move the tees up etc.

 

I think the format doesnt add a great deal to the excitement really, I think it could have been done differently and better.

 

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Mike Oxlong

Mike Oxlong

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Strikes me that this is akin to Butlins trying to run an elite tournament.I’m surprised the Saudis haven’t built some big windmills in the middle of the fairways to make it all more authentic. 

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Izzy

Izzy

Posted
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1 hour ago, Smashing-Pumpkin said:

One big minus of the coverage ive watched so far, is there is little to no insight at all into the shots the players are facing, what difficulties they encounter such as lies, wind etc, and no insight from anyone thats played the game.

 

his diminishes the product for me massively. Even things like trackman data like launch angles and ballspeed  are welcome additions to skys PGA Tour coverage.

 

I thought they might trick the course up a bit for more excitement too but they dont seem to have done. But the pins in bowls, move the tees up etc.

 

I think the format doesnt add a great deal to the excitement really, I think it could have been done differently and better.

 

Agree with this. It seems they're more interested in the number of shots they can show rather than provide any decent analysis.

 

I get the impression this is aimed at people who are new to golf and a younger audience - hence the 'growing the game' BS we keep hearing. The F1 style leaderboard and whole 'gaming' feel is just a bit unnecessary IMO.

 

Give me substance over sizzle any day of the week.

 

 

goody2028

goody2028

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Just caught up on the first two rounds of LIV, or first ‘36 holes’ dunno what to call it any more.  God the coverage is awful isn’t it. Had better commentary for my round of 110 around forest hill than this shite. 

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Izzy

Izzy

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Well this is riveting :yawn:

 

Only 7 out of 48 players under par says a lot about the quality of the field - which is mostly crap

 

You can have all the innovation and fancy gimmicks in the world but without the best players, you've got an inferior product.

 

BDC & Reed will be welcome additions to the next event in the US that's for sure.

The Bear

The Bear

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The handful of decent ones layers in these early tournaments must be rubbing their hands together at the easy money available for them by finishing high up the leader board. 

Izzy

Izzy

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BREAKING NEWS. PAT PEREZ JOINS LIV!! :rolleyes:

 

"DJ wanted me on his team"

 

Best thing about Pat Perez is his wife lol

 

 

Edited by Izzy
Smashing-Pumpkin

Smashing-Pumpkin

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Now that the dust has settled on the first LIV Saudi League event, I actually dont think it would take much to make these events top class events to be honest. At the prize money on offer, these events could realistically take the prestige spots the WGC events hold on the PGA Tour.

 

Let me please be clear, im not talking politics, ethics, sportswashing, and all the other stuff people like to justifiably criticise.

 

Here would be my takes on what could be done better with the events.

 

1) If the idea is about team golf, emphasise this more. All you got was a caddie bib to look at, which if im correct didnt even have the players name on the caddie bib as it would in a PGA tour event. Why not group the team mates together if sticking to the shotgun start, and give them colours that make that team recognisable? I dont think this aspect of it was barely touched on at all during the three days yet was supposed to be one of the main elements?

 

2) Mic up the players and caddies. This has been done before on PGA Tour feature group coverage. If you want to get new people up close to the game, let them get the insight of the caddie player relationship. How far is the shot playing? what are they going to hit? etc etc. Especially if they arent going to show yardages or anything on the screen. Then maybe back this up with some jargon busting like you used to see in the channel 4 cricket coverage. Explain to the viewer the golf specific phrases. What is a "hurting breeze"?? what is a "knockdown shot"?? what is a "high cut".....talk to the audience. Walk with them and interview them as theyre going down the hole.

 

3) Rather than have a shotgun start for rounds 2 and 3 (particularly round 3, if a winner comes from another group than the last one that would be so stupid that they finish on the 1st or something), why not use the tried and tested PGA Tour formula when needed of a reverse U draw. Its very simple. First players are the players in the middle of the field off 1st and 10th. Then towards the later groups, leaders off one, those at the very back off 10th. That way the fans will be able to see EVERY LEADING GROUP, i.e 4 or 5 groups, all come up the last hole or tee off on the last if they want to. This to me makes perfect sense rather than the shotgun.

 

4) Rather than just give a bucketload of money to the winner, and small bonuses for the team, why not incentivise everyone to do exciting things, so a smaller overall cheque to the winner, $4 million is pretty obscene.....why not give a daily bonus to the player who makes the most birdies in the day, or split it if its tied. We are asking the players to take risks right? "dont blink" and all of that? so give them some easier pins, gettable par 5s, and watch them take it to the course if you want fast action (obviously dont make it too easy, its still a test of skill). Or why not give a bonus each day for low round of the day??

 

5) Get a proper ranking system and priority list to the field. If the field HAS to be limited to 48 players, I dont want to see Wade Ormsby and Andy Ogletree again. Fill the field with players who would be worthy (if it existed) of a higher exemption category (if it was a tour).

 

Id start from there personally.

KingsX

KingsX

Posted
Posted
19 minutes ago, Smashing-Pumpkin said:

Now that the dust has settled on the first LIV Saudi League event, I actually dont think it would take much to make these events top class events to be honest. At the prize money on offer, these events could realistically take the prestige spots the WGC events hold on the PGA Tour.

 

Let me please be clear, im not talking politics, ethics, sportswashing, and all the other stuff people like to justifiably criticise.

 

Here would be my takes on what could be done better with the events.

 

1) If the idea is about team golf, emphasise this more. All you got was a caddie bib to look at, which if im correct didnt even have the players name on the caddie bib as it would in a PGA tour event. Why not group the team mates together if sticking to the shotgun start, and give them colours that make that team recognisable? I dont think this aspect of it was barely touched on at all during the three days yet was supposed to be one of the main elements?

 

2) Mic up the players and caddies. This has been done before on PGA Tour feature group coverage. If you want to get new people up close to the game, let them get the insight of the caddie player relationship. How far is the shot playing? what are they going to hit? etc etc. Especially if they arent going to show yardages or anything on the screen. Then maybe back this up with some jargon busting like you used to see in the channel 4 cricket coverage. Explain to the viewer the golf specific phrases. What is a "hurting breeze"?? what is a "knockdown shot"?? what is a "high cut".....talk to the audience. Walk with them and interview them as theyre going down the hole.

 

3) Rather than have a shotgun start for rounds 2 and 3 (particularly round 3, if a winner comes from another group than the last one that would be so stupid that they finish on the 1st or something), why not use the tried and tested PGA Tour formula when needed of a reverse U draw. Its very simple. First players are the players in the middle of the field off 1st and 10th. Then towards the later groups, leaders off one, those at the very back off 10th. That way the fans will be able to see EVERY LEADING GROUP, i.e 4 or 5 groups, all come up the last hole or tee off on the last if they want to. This to me makes perfect sense rather than the shotgun.

 

4) Rather than just give a bucketload of money to the winner, and small bonuses for the team, why not incentivise everyone to do exciting things, so a smaller overall cheque to the winner, $4 million is pretty obscene.....why not give a daily bonus to the player who makes the most birdies in the day, or split it if its tied. We are asking the players to take risks right? "dont blink" and all of that? so give them some easier pins, gettable par 5s, and watch them take it to the course if you want fast action (obviously dont make it too easy, its still a test of skill). Or why not give a bonus each day for low round of the day??

 

5) Get a proper ranking system and priority list to the field. If the field HAS to be limited to 48 players, I dont want to see Wade Ormsby and Andy Ogletree again. Fill the field with players who would be worthy (if it existed) of a higher exemption category (if it was a tour).

 

Id start from there personally.

 

With those kind of turd polishing skills, you should apply for a job at Everton ...

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