United fans finding out what its like to be "like everyone else".

[Corky]

I can't believe they let Fergie appoint the new manager, even more so when its clear he was just picking his Scottish mate.

 

The board are paid millions to make these decisions and to go out and attract the best in the business for the company, what an incredible shirk of their responsibilities under the guise of "giving respect" to Fergie.

 

It's the comments about Moyes being cut from the same cloth as Fergie that is most baffling. Ferguson achieved miracles with Aberdeen and took them to the top level, winning a European trophy. Moyes was at a huge club in Everton and showed fear in going to the big clubs. Moyes didn't win a trophy either. Not saying he did a bad job but was it amazing also?

[Nick]

It'll be close for fourth as I still think Man City will win the League followed closely by Chelsea and Arsenal which I wouldn't like to call the order on.

 

There will be an absolute bloodbath for fourth place.

[DennisNedry]

I've never really understood why other teams apart from Liverpool/Leeds/Manchester City have so much hatred for Manchester United. It's not even like their fans are that big headed about the fact they have been the best team on a consistent basis for the past 20 years. People blurt on about teams being TinPot but I actually think having a hatred for a team and set of fans that genuinely don't give a shit back is TinPot. I envy the fact that Manchester United are so good and that their fans have it easy 90% of the time, but for fans of clubs that have no rivalry with them to say they hate them is pretty sad to be honest. I can't stand for instance when people start cheering at the end of our home games when United have had a shit result but don't do the same for Chelsea (who we have a mutual hatred with). 

 

Maybe it's because I've only met the glory fans, not the real ones who actually attend games, but the ones I've met are always really arrogant.

[Webbo]

Well I hate the cvnts and I don't care what that makes me. arrogant w*nkers who think that by being an armchair supporter of the club that wins the league makes them the best fans. I hope they're relegated.

[AdamN]

I've never really understood why other teams apart from Liverpool/Leeds/Manchester City have so much hatred for Manchester United. It's not even like their fans are that big headed about the fact they have been the best team on a consistent basis for the past 20 years. People blurt on about teams being TinPot but I actually think having a hatred for a team and set of fans that genuinely don't give a shit back is TinPot. I envy the fact that Manchester United are so good and that their fans have it easy 90% of the time, but for fans of clubs that have no rivalry with them to say they hate them is pretty sad to be honest. I can't stand for instance when people start cheering at the end of our home games when United have had a shit result but don't do the same for Chelsea (who we have a mutual hatred with). 

 

I don't think that many hate them as a club itself, it's just that nobody likes a glory supporter, and their fanbase is full of them. It's pretty funny seeing certain Man Utd fans now acting as if they're going through some major hardship right now, despite the fact that they've probably seen a good 10-12 titles in their lifetime.

[Kitchandro]

I tend to find it's the real United fans who are just as arrogant. Maybe they have good reason to be but it's not really necessary. You'd think being so good would make them more humble and accepting of how lucky they are to support such a successful club. But no, they'd rather go on and on and on about themselves and talk about how insignificant and shit every other club is.

 

 

It's the comments about Moyes being cut from the same cloth as Fergie that is most baffling. Ferguson achieved miracles with Aberdeen and took them to the top level, winning a European trophy. Moyes was at a huge club in Everton and showed fear in going to the big clubs. Moyes didn't win a trophy either. Not saying he did a bad job but was it amazing also?

 

I've been trying to get this point across for years. Moyes did a decent job at Everton but why do people go on and on about him when O'Neill tested himself at numerous clubs and did well at all of them up until Sunderland.

 

Moyes got praise for getting Everton into the top 8 every year (though I seem to remember them struggling some seasons as well) but O'Neill did that with Leicester and we're not as big a club as Everton - let's not forget they've been in this league since the late 50s or something ridiculous. Plus, O'Neill won trophies. He also got Villa into the top 6 when they were struggling.

 

People make out they spent no money but they've always had a good group of players. And I seem to remember them splashing big money on Jelavic.

 

I do think Moyes is a good manager but he's hardly the messiah to replace Fergie. He's been bummed by the media for years now and I'm not quite sure why. Overrated.

[Darkon84]

It works the other way too though. This thread has an air of Liverpool fans about it too. I've always found them to be worse than United fans...constantly bleating about past glories, and their constant injustice, blah blah blah.

 

Now whereas the armchair United fans think they're suffering some kind of hardship, all the armchair Liverpool fans are coming out the woodwork and telling stories about this and that, even though they were never there etc.

 

That's just what came to my mind, reading through all this.

[Richard]

They definitely overachieved the last few years under fergie, got to be one of their weakest squads for a while anyway. With fergie still so involved in the club (isn't he a director now or am I making this up?). Personally I don't think Utd have been the same since Quieroz (sp?) left

[Dan]

I've always preferred them to clubs like Chelsea & Man City who'd be the same as the likes of Everton/Newcastle/West Ham if it wasn't for sugar daddy owners. That's all forgotten if it's stopping Man Utd win the league which is immensely cringeworthy and typical of fans in this country.

 

Granted, this is coming from someone who isn't remotely bothered by glory hunters. I couldn't give a shit. I've had enough moments with Leicester even this season so far that brought me more joy than a $ky subscription will bring any of them.

[GingerrrFox]

We have a mutual hatred with Chelsea? Because they sing "and Leicester?"(to which I rarely, if ever hear them say that when I hear them sing that chant)

 

When we were in the Premiership Chelsea was seen as one of the biggest games of the season partly because of the history between the sets of fans but also because we were about the same level on the pitch. Even now Chelsea fans don't like us and openly admit that a game between us and them means more than most.

 

Anyone remember the Argentina nonsense with their fans circa 1998/99?

 

That, the way they treated referees and the thousands of glory supporters around the country is what made me want Manchester United to lose.

 

Are you talking about all the grief that Beckham was getting after the World Cup in 98? If so I remember they started the whole Argentina thing as a way to support Beckham who copped an enormous amount of abuse for it. They also don't turn up in numbers to support England because everyone "hates" them for being so successful on the pitch and to be fair not many can afford it since they are usually travelling around Europe every year to support their club.

 

Erm....yes it is.

 

Have you actually met one? Most pig headed self indulgent bunch of twats in the country. And there's a lot of competition for that.

 

Chelsea run them close, mind.

 

I used to work in Manchester and live there for a while and the 2 common misconceptions about Manchester is that.

 

1) The majority of Manchester supports City - This is complete and utter bollocks and in actual fact its more of a swing for United than City. Many City fans come from surrounding areas such as Stockport, Hyde and the area of Greater Manchester, the actual city of Manchester is massive on United and is full of reds.

 

2) There are Manchester United fans and then there are Glory fans. I was lucky enough in that spending a lot of time in Manchester I got to see the real difference between the two. The real Manchester United fans are the equivalent of every other fan, they support the team because it's local, it's been passed down from their Dad/Uncle/Granddad. They know they are lucky to have such a brilliant team to follow and obviously enjoy the victories but equally they know in the past the clubs fortunes weren't so great. Then there is the Glory fan who everybody in this thread has described, they all get tarred with the same brush. 

[Dan]

So really, they were just as lucky as the other teams, like Chelsea or Man City - they just happened to be the team on top when the money started coming in. Whether the money comes from an investor or from Sky doesn't make much different in my eyes.

 

Man Utd earnt theirs (to an extent), Man City & Chelsea, as well as others (us included) got lucky. Nothing more.

[StanSP]

I can't believe they let Fergie appoint the new manager, even more so when its clear he was just picking his Scottish mate.

 

The board are paid millions to make these decisions and to go out and attract the best in the business for the company, what an incredible shirk of their responsibilities under the guise of "giving respect" to Fergie.

 

True. 

 

United was good for Moyes. Moyes was not good for United.

 

They should have nabbed someone better across Europe.

[Guest MattP]

Anyone remember the Argentina nonsense with their fans circa 1998/99?

That, the way they treated referees and the thousands of glory supporters around the country is what made me want Manchester United to lose.

Pretty much the same reasons I can't stand the bastards now.

Their anti English stuff was unreal.

[Jon the Hat]

Moyes is not going to last unless they sign some real quality midfield and defence in the window.

[lavrentis]

I hope they go into a Manager Merry go round, implode from the inside and get relegated

[Fox92]

I'm still surprised United didn't go for Mourinho. (That would have been funny). It was probably never going to happen, but he was open to the idea of returning to the Premier League (not sure how much Chelsea influenced him) and for me, a manager like Mourinho who has proved himself in the division before as well as in Europe with Inter and Porto, should have been the obvious choice for such a massive club like Manchester United.

 

I'm not saying Moyes is a bad manager, he obviously isn't. He did well at Everton (although I do understand Kitchandro's point above which I agree with) but replacing Ferguson was always going to be tough. Just like replacing other great managers Busby, Clough and Paisley would have been tough. However, I do think Moyes was left with an 'average' squad (I use that term lightly). I personally feel Manchester United need strengthening in a lot of positions, they still haven't got that midfielder that will score 15+ goals which is what players like Cantona, Beckham, Scholes, Ronaldo and even Keane provided.

[Dan]

Moyes is not going to last unless they sign some real quality midfield and defence in the window.

 

Said this when he took the job. He spent £27mil on Fellaini.

 

Man for man they're about the 6th/7th strongest squad in the league for me. Their midfield isn't bad but lacks any top class players (although I do like Carrick), their wide options are average compared to most sides in the league and their defence is crap. Their attack is excellent but individually I'd say they fall short to Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and they're probably about even with Everton.

I'm still surprised United didn't go for Mourinho. (That would have been funny). It was probably never going to happen, but he was open to the idea of returning to the Premier League (not sure how much Chelsea influenced him) and for me, a manager like Mourinho who has proved himself in the division before as well as in Europe with Inter and Porto, should have been the obvious choice for such a massive club like Manchester United.

 

I'm not saying Moyes is a bad manager, he obviously isn't. He did well at Everton (although I do understand Kitchandro's point above which I agree with) but replacing Ferguson was always going to be tough. Just like replacing other great managers Busby, Clough and Paisley would have been tough. However, I do think Moyes was left with an 'average' squad (I use that term lightly). I personally feel Manchester United need strengthening in a lot of positions, they still haven't got that midfielder that will score 15+ goals which is what players like Cantona, Beckham, Scholes, Ronaldo and even Keane provided.

 

Man Utd want long term builders with an interest in academy. Mourinho would've been a horrific fit for them and he's a perfect fit for Abramovich.

[Darkon84]

 

 

Man Utd want long term builders with an interest in academy. Mourinho would've been a horrific fit for them and he's a perfect fit for Abramovich.

 

 

This. Mourinho is too volatile and too much of a loose cannon for United. I think Ancelotti would have been perfect for them.

[Happy Fox]

Roberto Martinez would of been perfect for them they got the wrong man!

[Guest MattP]

Roberto Martinez would of been perfect for them they got the wrong man!

Easy to say now.

Can you imagine the uproar had they appointed a manager who had just got relegated.

[Happy Fox]

Easy to say now.

Can you imagine the uproar had they appointed a manager who had just got relegated.

 

Yes but they won the FA Cup, and Roberto was doing a great job there keeping them in the prem when they should've easily been relegated, each season he was there.

[Dan]

Yep agreed. I think Martinez' performance at Everton just rubs salt into the wound for Moyes but who's to say he wouldn't have completely blown it so far at Man Utd either?

 

What I will say though, I don't think he'd have pissed away nearly thirty million on Fellaini

 

On a side note, how good is Deulofeu?! I haven't seen a player glide past so many others at such pace so effortlessly in a while. Absolute quality player. The English need to have a serious look at La Masia because that alone is producing more absolute quality than our whole nation.

Yes but they won the FA Cup, and Roberto was doing a great job there keeping them in the prem when they should've easily been relegated, each season he was there.

 

Aye, such as last season when he went down

[davieG]

They wanted some one who realised that Fergie was still the Boss, they had this problem when Busby retired, ask Frank O'Farrell

[Happy Fox]

Yep agreed. I think Martinez' performance at Everton just rubs salt into the wound for Moyes but who's to say he wouldn't have completely blown it so far at Man Utd either?

 

What I will say though, I don't think he'd have pissed away nearly thirty million on Fellaini

 

On a side note, how good is Deulofeu?! I haven't seen a player glide past so many others at such pace so effortlessly in a while. Absolute quality player. The English need to have a serious look at La Masia because that alone is producing more absolute quality than our whole nation.

 

Aye, such as last season when he went down

 

Yes it was inevitable that they were going to go down eventually, but still to win a FA cup  (trophy ) is more than Moyes ever managed!

[Darkon84]

Yes it was inevitable that they were going to go down eventually, but still to win a FA cup  (trophy ) is more than Moyes ever managed!

 

 

So they should have gone for Redknapp then? As he won the FA cup at Portsmouth?