lavrentis Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Madness, their chairman has to be nominated for the cvnt of the year award. Wouldn't be surprised if they approach Sven. Already linked I think ?
Kitchandro Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Well it's just stupid when people say 'omg they changed their colours' or whatever. Many clubs have done it before, I'm sure people haven't read about the history of football at times. It's not like Cardiff got rid of their history and started again is it? The World changes, football changes, business (that's football) changes. I'm not defending it in anyway, or Tan in anyway (he seems like an idiot), but whenever Cardiff pop up on here, someone brings up the colour change and it annoys me as much as it annoyed the poster about the change. And that's all I'm saying, don't want to make this into one of those threads again. Wow. Football clubs are very empty to you aren't they?
The Horse's Mouth Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Good, I sympathize with Tan in this situation. Also it's not as if Mackay is coming out of this badly, he'll probably end up with a lot better job with a more established premier league club.West Brom is still available right?
kingfox Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 OGS already had a meeting with Cardiff A manager with great potential, going to a club what looks in a complete mess, with an awful owner. If OGS wants a job in England, he should go to WBA.
Fox92 Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Wow. Football clubs are very empty to you aren't they? What do you mean? I don't get the massive overreaction about a change of kit colour. I provided good examples above of teams that have done it before. I understand a reaction if someone walks into a club and changes the name or gets rid of the history, but whatever colour Cardiff City (or any club) play in, they are still Cardiff City. They are still the club that won the FA Cup in the 20's, they are still the club that made the FA Cup final in 2008 and they are still the club that won the second tier last season. Look, I'm a massive, massive football fan and nothing will ever change that, but I think people take it too seriously at times. There are worse things in football nowadays than a simple change of kit colour. People shouldn't be paying £25+ to watch second tier football, but it happens. Footballer's shouldn't earn £200,000+ a week, but it happens. Are you any bothered about the changes our owners have made? Or have you turned a blind eye to that? Change of stadium name, removing our club legends to put a simple 'King Power' logo in place instead, getting their business colours on our shirt, installing elephants outside the ground for a while? Business is business, and most owners are in football for the same reason. I wouldn't be suprised if something 'big' happens at Leicester before the owners leave.
Leicesterpool Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 OGS already had a meeting with Cardiff Bit of a gamble, he's never managed in England before! yes played here but not for some years.
Guest Gist Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Gone. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/wales/25526438
purpleronnie Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Slipperly slope but the fans allowed it, so fook 'em.
Voll Blau Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Are you any bothered about the changes our owners have made? Or have you turned a blind eye to that? Change of stadium name, removing our club legends to put a simple 'King Power' logo in place instead, getting their business colours on our shirt, installing elephants outside the ground for a while? Business is business, and most owners are in football for the same reason. I wouldn't be suprised if something 'big' happens at Leicester before the owners leave. The Thais seem to have been a bit better advised than your Hull/Cardiff types. It seems like we're becoming King Power Leicester so slowly and gradually most don't even realise it's happening. Surely the addition of gold trim this season wasn't done on the whim of a designer? I realise that's a deeply cynical attitude, but then I'm deeply cynical about the state of football in this country in general. You're right in that the club we support can hardly have a "holier than thou" attitude about this, and you're also right about other clubs changing their colours before. However, these were done for footballing reasons (Leeds because they thought they'd make them look like Real Madrid etc, something we also did for one season in the 70s) rather than on the commercial whims of one nutcase who thought he could flog a few more replicas in the Far East as a result. For me, the reason behind the change is more important than the change itself I'd like to think a change of colour or name would be the straw that broke the camel's back for most Leicester fans, and for me such a decision would no longer make me feel I was still following the same club that me and generations of my family before me supported. Leicester in red/green/gold/yellow or whatever just wouldn't be right. I'd be done with it. Hopefully it's a position we'll never find ourselves in.
MooseBreath Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 The Thais seem to have been a bit better advised than your Hull/Cardiff types. It seems like we're becoming King Power Leicester so slowly and gradually most don't even realise it's happening. Surely the addition of gold trim this season wasn't done on the whim of a designer? I realise that's a deeply cynical attitude, but then I'm deeply cynical about the state of football in this country in general. You're right in that the club we support can hardly have a "holier than thou" attitude about this, and you're also right about other clubs changing their colours before. However, these were done for footballing reasons (Leeds because they thought they'd make them look like Real Madrid etc, something we also did for one season in the 70s) rather than on the commercial whims of one nutcase who thought he could flog a few more replicas in the Far East as a result. For me, the reason behind the change is more important than the change itself I'd like to think a change of colour or name would be the straw that broke the camel's back for most Leicester fans, and for me such a decision would no longer make me feel I was still following the same club that me and generations of my family before me supported. Leicester in red/green/gold/yellow or whatever just wouldn't be right. I'd be done with it. Hopefully it's a position we'll never find ourselves in. How is the addition of a gold trim any sign that we're becoming "king power leicester"? What a ridiculous post.
Leicesterpool Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Notice something around 12'o'clock Mackay was sacked at 12:30 West Brom close in replacement, just a coincidence?
Corky Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Notice something around 12'o'clock Mackay was sacked at 12:30 West Brom close in replacement, just a coincidence? It's Pepe Mel, the former Betis coach, that has been heavily linked.
Kitchandro Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 What do you mean? I don't get the massive overreaction about a change of kit colour. I provided good examples above of teams that have done it before. I understand a reaction if someone walks into a club and changes the name or gets rid of the history, but whatever colour Cardiff City (or any club) play in, they are still Cardiff City. They are still the club that won the FA Cup in the 20's, they are still the club that made the FA Cup final in 2008 and they are still the club that won the second tier last season. Look, I'm a massive, massive football fan and nothing will ever change that, but I think people take it too seriously at times. There are worse things in football nowadays than a simple change of kit colour. People shouldn't be paying £25+ to watch second tier football, but it happens. Footballer's shouldn't earn £200,000+ a week, but it happens. Are you any bothered about the changes our owners have made? Or have you turned a blind eye to that? Change of stadium name, removing our club legends to put a simple 'King Power' logo in place instead, getting their business colours on our shirt, installing elephants outside the ground for a while? Business is business, and most owners are in football for the same reason. I wouldn't be suprised if something 'big' happens at Leicester before the owners leave. It's not an overreaction at all. Are you understanding the situation? They let an owner CHANGE THEIR HOME COLOURS. How can you not see that this is a big deal? The club have played in blue for over 100 years. It is basically the whole essence of the club. If you watched Cardiff City highlights from home games in their history (for example like they do before our home games now) you'd see them playing in blue in all of them. A lot of things would change through those highlights - the ground would differ numerous times, the players would change, the manager would change, even the badge would change somewhat - but the blue kit would remain. So bullshit to your claim it's not a big deal, the colours are what identifies the club. Without the colours you may as well pack up and go home. If everyone changed their kit you wouldn't have a fvcking clue what was going one. SOme clubs wouldn't be remotely recognisable. And no your examples weren't good, they were shit. Those clubs changed their kits many, many years ago (well I don't really follow German football history so I'm not sure about them, though I'm pretty sure Juventus have played in black and white since the early 1900s). Don't try and make it's the same as changing your kit after over 100 years of history with it, because it's not. Everyone used experiment with kits in the early years before the clubs really had an identity. Of course, there are exceptions, but I didn't say I would necessarily have agreed with them at the time either. If I was a Cardiff fan I'd refuse to acknowledge that this club was Cardiff City, because it has no resemblance to the Cardiff City they grew up supporting. They aren't the bluebirds, they don't play in blue, they're just a team in Cardiff. Just like Manchester City are not United, they're just another team in Manchester. It doesn't matter that they're technically the same club. If I remember rightly, MK Dons had the same honours as Wimbledon for a brief period. AFC Wimbledon don't have the FA Cup win to their name but they have the same fans and colours don't they? Who is more Wimbledon to you then? Because technically AFC Wimbledon have no relevance to Wimbledon FC at all. So why do they have the same fans? I really couldn't care less what football players earn tbh. Why would that bother you? Are you that spiteful that you just can't bare to see somebody else earn lots of money? That is of minimal importance to me, the only thing I care about is my club and me as a fan. Our club has control of it's finances so it's up to them to manage them. It's not the players' fault that the nature of things is that they get paid a load of money these days. Inflation in wages is natural, selling the club's identity out is forced and unnecessary. All those other things you mention are hardly comparable, are they? Firstly, our stadium name was a sponsor, it's not a hundred year old relic with a historically famous name and unique look about it. So they changed it from the Walkers (a company name) to King Power Stadium (another company name), big whoop. I think it's a shit name, but I thought Paolo Sousa was a shit manager as well. So they took some banners down, yeh I wasn't a fan of it but in the scheme of things so what? How long had they been there, 9 years? Wow 9 years of some pictures that I barely ever looked at, I'm really going to miss them. They were the heart and soul of the club right there. Oh and they sponsored our shirts?! Oh shit, let's tear the stadium down, burn them at the stake! We've never had a sponsor before! The elephants have fooked off thankfully. Yeh business is business, how would you like it if they suddenly decided it was good business to move us to Nottingham? We'd still be called Leicester City by the way, and our 3 league cups would still be ours. So, who cares eh? We're still LCFC technically, and that's all that matters, right? Face it, the colours are a huge part of the club, it's one of the main things that makes a club what it is. What is a club to you, really? That's what I'm trying to work out.
Chairman of the Bored Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Next Cardiff manager? I've heard it's Phil Brown - lots of experience of working with a dodgy tan.
wurmer Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Next Cardiff manager? I've heard it's Phil Brown - lots of experience of working with a dodgy tan. Made me , +1 to you sir!
Zingari Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Tan is doing the right thing, Cardiff fans are retarded anyway. Which club lets the owner change theirs odours and not so anything about it yes , no one is coming out of this smelling of roses .
Strokes Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Madness, their chairman has to be nominated for the cvnt of the year award. Wouldn't be surprised if they approach Sven. I'm not sure you are ready to hand over the title
Fox92 Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 It's not an overreaction at all. Are you understanding the situation? They let an owner CHANGE THEIR HOME COLOURS. How can you not see that this is a big deal? The club have played in blue for over 100 years. It is basically the whole essence of the club. If you watched Cardiff City highlights from home games in their history (for example like they do before our home games now) you'd see them playing in blue in all of them. A lot of things would change through those highlights - the ground would differ numerous times, the players would change, the manager would change, even the badge would change somewhat - but the blue kit would remain. So bullshit to your claim it's not a big deal, the colours are what identifies the club. Without the colours you may as well pack up and go home. If everyone changed their kit you wouldn't have a fvcking clue what was going one. SOme clubs wouldn't be remotely recognisable. And no your examples weren't good, they were shit. Those clubs changed their kits many, many years ago (well I don't really follow German football history so I'm not sure about them, though I'm pretty sure Juventus have played in black and white since the early 1900s). Don't try and make it's the same as changing your kit after over 100 years of history with it, because it's not. Everyone used experiment with kits in the early years before the clubs really had an identity. Of course, there are exceptions, but I didn't say I would necessarily have agreed with them at the time either. If I was a Cardiff fan I'd refuse to acknowledge that this club was Cardiff City, because it has no resemblance to the Cardiff City they grew up supporting. They aren't the bluebirds, they don't play in blue, they're just a team in Cardiff. Just like Manchester City are not United, they're just another team in Manchester. It doesn't matter that they're technically the same club. If I remember rightly, MK Dons had the same honours as Wimbledon for a brief period. AFC Wimbledon don't have the FA Cup win to their name but they have the same fans and colours don't they? Who is more Wimbledon to you then? Because technically AFC Wimbledon have no relevance to Wimbledon FC at all. So why do they have the same fans? I really couldn't care less what football players earn tbh. Why would that bother you? Are you that spiteful that you just can't bare to see somebody else earn lots of money? That is of minimal importance to me, the only thing I care about is my club and me as a fan. Our club has control of it's finances so it's up to them to manage them. It's not the players' fault that the nature of things is that they get paid a load of money these days. Inflation in wages is natural, selling the club's identity out is forced and unnecessary. All those other things you mention are hardly comparable, are they? Firstly, our stadium name was a sponsor, it's not a hundred year old relic with a historically famous name and unique look about it. So they changed it from the Walkers (a company name) to King Power Stadium (another company name), big whoop. I think it's a shit name, but I thought Paolo Sousa was a shit manager as well. So they took some banners down, yeh I wasn't a fan of it but in the scheme of things so what? How long had they been there, 9 years? Wow 9 years of some pictures that I barely ever looked at, I'm really going to miss them. They were the heart and soul of the club right there. Oh and they sponsored our shirts?! Oh shit, let's tear the stadium down, burn them at the stake! We've never had a sponsor before! The elephants have fooked off thankfully. Yeh business is business, how would you like it if they suddenly decided it was good business to move us to Nottingham? We'd still be called Leicester City by the way, and our 3 league cups would still be ours. So, who cares eh? We're still LCFC technically, and that's all that matters, right? Face it, the colours are a huge part of the club, it's one of the main things that makes a club what it is. What is a club to you, really? That's what I'm trying to work out. How did the fans "let the owners change kit colour", really? ... So as soon as he said 'we are rebranding' then the Cardiff fans should have stopped attending? Is that what you mean? Well, that will never happen, to any club. Leicester could play in pink and yellow and I bet people would still turn up. People moan about ticket prices, yet people still pay the prices for Leeds away (for example). So as long as fans continue to buy tickets, Leeds won't lower them will they? Of course my examples changed their colours many, many years ago. But in 2113, 100 years time, people will be writing Cardiff off as an example because they 'that was a long, long time ago'... I believe Bayern Munich, one of the World's biggest football clubs, played in white for a while. Apparently, they played in blue before that. You can't say "if I was a Cardiff City fan I'd refuse". So, say they stay in the Premier League forever. Would you never go to watch them? Would you never go to Anfield and Old Trafford? Would you never go to see Suarez, Aguero and Van Persie? Think you'd have a lot of regretting. And just for the record, there is actually only one team in Manchester as Manchester United are not situated in Manchester. The MK Dons thing is a massive example, one that I'm not too sure about. The idea of Wimbledon moving was around for years; Charlton and Luton both put idea's forward before Milton Keynes did. But I thought Wimbledon took the history of the club? I'm not too sure about all this considering I've read a lot about it. But this is totally different to a simple change of the club's colours though isn't it? Of course it's not a players fault what he earns, it's the owners. I don't think you get my point. What I meant is, owners shouldn't be paying players £200k+ a week but it happens. That's football, that's life. There's nothing us fans can do about it even though it is our game. Don't get the spite point you made. I think you have to meet me to know my values; I don't care about what people say about me never mind what someone earns! How are they not comparable? Our owners are basically using our football club to get their business into Europe. They've got the Airports in Asia, done all that, so why not try and use a football club like Leicester to get their business into Heathrow, Birmingham and Manchester Airports? I'd rather have a ground that resembles Leicester City a bit. Pictures of Lineker, Claridge, Weller etc I enjoyed that as they are our club legends. What we got now? Oh yeah, 'King Power'. Brilliant. More King Power stuff. I wasn't referring to the sponsor on the shirt, though that's a good point, I was referring to our away kit. What colour is our away kit? We ever had that colour before? Does it resemble a certain company to you? See you're taking things too far now. I know where the line is drawn. A kit colour change, I see little wrong with that (just my opinion), but moving a club to another City ie Nottingham, yeah obviously I don't agree with that. What is a club to me? Not sure how to word it. But Leicester City are a passion of mine, so generally I love them and I want them to win everything. Would I want to see us get renamed? Certainly, no. (Although I remember a game ten years ago where we had a vote to rename the club). As long as the Fox is in our badge, it can be changed, as it has been before throughout our history. Of course I always want us to play in blue, but I doubt I'd overreact if someone said we're playing in white at home now. Clubs change colours, see Leeds. Business change identity. Football is business, sadly. There are few owners around that care about their football club. I stand by that I wouldn't be suprised if something else happened to our club. Do I ever want to see that happen? No. The main thing I want changing at the club is the bloody division we play in. You argue a good point, Kitchandro. You're a good poster and one of my favourites but I'm still standing by my point. I think people have overreacted as if this has never happened before. I think there are bigger things to try and debate, such as ticket prices.
Vardinhio Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 I think the attitude Hull's owner has is pretty dire. He basically said if the fans don't like it they can go support someone else and that he didn't care. Quite harsh considering essentially without a fanbase a club isn't really a club anymore.
Beliall Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 re mk dons and afc wimbledon. mk dons took wimbledons history, afc wimbledon was formed and mk dkns had the history removed. it wasnt granted to afc as they are also a new ( then ) club , and now afc want mk to drop the dons as well. thats from memory, feel free to check wiki though im often wrong.
Leicesterpool Posted 28 December 2013 Posted 28 December 2013 Mackay favourite for West Brom job now! apparently they couldn't get the real betis manager they were after, the deal fell through.
MC Prussian Posted 28 December 2013 Posted 28 December 2013 Funny, wasn't Mackay somewhat scolded for having overspent? Now the new manager is promised new, additional transfer funds: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25530074 They just didn't get along on a personal level, but who will dance according to Tan's tune, anyway? Which manager's mad enough to go for it? Oh, wait...
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