ozleicester Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Weve seen the Watford lot playing the time waste game again today, and lets be honest,weve all done it, or supported the doing of it. But, does it actually work? Weve scored in the 93rd minute and its so often the case. Would you just be better to play the game out keep pressing and chasing the game?
One Legged Beaver Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Forest did it pretty successfully against us in the 0-2 defeat. Must have set a record for most throw ins in a game that day. In regards to Watford I believe they have taken 2 goal leads in their last two away games against Man City and Forest and then just burnt out in the second half from continued pressing, allowing the opposition to put several past them towards the end. That may explain their desire to try and time waste today but I can't say I'm an expert on their motives.
StanSP Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 I don't think it works. I don't think the time wasted for goal-kicks/throw-ins/other set-pieces works but it certainly rattles every fan. Oh and then you have the mysterious injuries Watford suddenly picked up which got right on my tits. What I can understand is if the team time-wastes in play through just passing it around or keeping possession (we've done this and other teams have done this specifically which I have no qualms with). I don't necessarily think teams should chasing the game, but as long as you have the ball, they can't score. It's the stuff mentioned in the first part which I don't agree with at all. It's all tactics though. Some teams get punished (like Watford yesterday), other teams don't (Forest this season at the KP).
davieG Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Well we scored in the added time that takes no account of time wasting. I don't believe the ref added that much on for time wasting anyway despite his constant attention to his watch. Hate time wasting even when we do it, makes me embarrassed to be a fan when I see our players blatently doing it.
Super_horns Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 What I can understand is if the team time-wastes in play through just passing it around or keeping possession (we've done this and other teams have done this specifically which I have no qualms with). Agreed with that "best from of defence is attack"? - but we just don't keep the ball well. Not sure I want us to be wasting time etc - refs will pick up on it and it will impact on their mind set for future games. Was it just the overseas players or did the likes of Deeney and Murray play a part? Must say Alumina seems to take for ever on goal kicks regardless of the score - mainly because he is pretty average at kicking. I dare say like a lot decisions could it depend on who you are..
StanSP Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Agreed with that "best from of defence is attack"? - but we just don't keep the ball well. Not sure I want us to be wasting time etc - refs will pick up on it and it will impact on their mind set for future games. Was it just the overseas players or did the likes of Deeney and Murray play a part? Must say Alumina seems to take for ever on goal kicks regardless of the score - mainly because he is pretty average at kicking. I dare say like a lot decisions could it depend on who you are.. Reputation of the team I think definitely plays a part, agreed with that. I'll admit I didn't see Deeney/Murray do it. But then to be fair, for the 2nd half it was virtually all in your half so I don't think Deeney even had a chance to time-waste . Maybe it was just the overseas players. I wasn't really noting anyone in particular from yesterday. All it takes is one statement of intent from the referee and the team won't do it. It frustrates me when teams time-waste early as well. Referees need to make it clear and actually keep track of how long someone takes.
Fox92 Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 I think it depends how good you are at it. I mean, if you're players can hold the ball well and you can't get it off them then it works fine. Swansea were knocking it around yesterday, ok they were 3-0 up not a goal up, but they just kept the ball. Opposition are forced into chasing shadows and fouling.
Bluefoxtim Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 To be fair, any 'keeper can take 30 seconds to take a goal kick (kicking his heels on the posts etc) and nobody thinks twice, but if he did the exact same thing in the 90th minute the opposition fans would be screaming at him and the ref would be tapping his watch threatening a caution. As infuriating as it is, I don't think it's as bad as people make out - if you're winning, why would you sprint for the ball and take the kick as quickly as possible?
Stadt Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 The thing that irks me the most is when a player is substituted and then they stroll very cumbersomely towards the touch line.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 From yesterday I'll name and shame: Ekstrand - At least twice including one comical facial injury after he'd made an aggressive slide tackle. Battochio - Suspicious mysterious groin injury which only flared up once he'd lost the ball. Forestieri - one of the least bad offenders, just flopped about a bit Toszer - Caught on the left knee by James as they contested a 50/50. Went down when it became apparent he could no longer reach the ball. Rolled four or five times. Almunia - Goes in for a 50/50 head first. Takes a whack, gets up, waits for the ball to be cleared then rolls around on the floor so we can't play on. I'm sure there were others
Harry - LCFC Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Players ought to get booked for it. It's a form of simulation just as diving is.
Kitchandro Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Of course it works sometimes. It's not just that the referee often fails to take into account this time wasting when adding on time to added on time. It's also that it slows momentum and disrupts the flow of the attacking side.
ithuriel Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Depends on the opposition, sometimes it can fire up the opposing team and the team that is time wasting then can not get going. In the end I think it reflects poorly on the team and manager that is time wasting.
StanSP Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 From yesterday I'll name and shame: Ekstrand - At least twice including one comical facial injury after he'd made an aggressive slide tackle. Battochio - Suspicious mysterious groin injury which only flared up once he'd lost the ball. Forestieri - one of the least bad offenders, just flopped about a bit Toszer - Caught on the left knee by James as they contested a 50/50. Went down when it became apparent he could no longer reach the ball. Rolled four or five times. Almunia - Goes in for a 50/50 head first. Takes a whack, gets up, waits for the ball to be cleared then rolls around on the floor so we can't play on. I'm sure there were others Think that ones a bit harsh. His defender virtually cleaned him out as Nugent went in for the challenge, too. He got knocked back fairly swiftly and it did look nasty.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Think that ones a bit harsh. His defender virtually cleaned him out as Nugent went in for the challenge, too. He got knocked back fairly swiftly and it did look nasty. Ordinarily I'd be inclined to agree but feigning injury was obviously a tactic that Watford were using and I think, looked at in that light, it looks different.
StanSP Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Ordinarily I'd be inclined to agree but feigning injury was obviously a tactic that Watford were using and I think, looked at in that light, it looks different. It's part of the their game in most matches. The other 4 I can't disagree with at all. Ekstrand's was the most hilarious/annoying. Linesman was right there as well but did fvck all.
Corky Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Personally can't stand it, hate it when we do it. Would rather we kept the ball and looked to score again when having a narrow lead. Unfortunately it does work because the refs don't add on all the time taken out by the laying on the floor, collapsing on the floor etc.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 10 February 2014 Posted 10 February 2014 I'm so glad that it didn't work for Watford on Saturday just because of the blatant manner in which they were doing it. Watching keepers take ages over goal kicks annoys me, but when we're winning I'm a huge advocate of Schmeichel doing it and taking as long as the ref will reasonably allow. It's being smart like that that has helped us see out games that we might not have seen through last year. The difference on Saturday was players feigning injury, to the ridiculous point where Forrestieri fouled one of our players then went down injured himself - add to this the fact that the ref didn't even call the physio on so that he had to go off (and after that collision with Almunia one of their defenders was seen by their/our physio and stayed on the pitch for the restart). That was the main problem, that the ref was allowing them to get away with it so often and so blatantly. There was also a time where some guy went down on the wing and pretty much stayed down until Watford had the ball. He was soon up and running and fine then. The main thing with what Watford was doing is that it disrupts the pattern and tempo of the game. It's very hard to get into a rhythm when play is being stopped for 30 seconds here and there because some Watford player is rolling around inexplicably. It is times like that at which strong refereeing is needed or even introducing a system of stopping the clock when the ball is out of play to that players know there's nothing to be gained by the time-wasting. I've never seen a team booed like Watford were by L1 when they made their way over to their supporters after the game. They were, quite frankly, a disgrace to sportsmanship and the integrity of the game.
Captain... Posted 10 February 2014 Posted 10 February 2014 It depends what you mean by work. Does it actually waste time? Probably not, refs are fairly wise to it and stop the watch, substitutions automatically add on 30 seconds, even when they are dragging their heels from the other side of the pitch it doesn't take 30 seconds. So does it actually waste time? Not really. Does it wind up and annoy the opposition and the fans, break up and slow down the play, disrupt the tempo of the game? I think so, so in that sense it works. Obviusly faking injury is disgusting, and should be punished with a yellow card, but really a ref can't judge if someone is faking or not and it is on the manager and the club to instil a sense of fair play. Also I hate players holding the ball in the corner, I get why they do it, and it isn't cheating, but it I hate it when other teams do it, and I hate it even more when we do it, normally because we are so bad at it.
Dan Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 It's no surprise that you get blatant cheating all the time when we live in a footballing culture where the so called 'experts' make excuses for it. What are kids going to think when they're watching blatant cheating yet hearing people defending it and saying shit like 'he had a right to go down'? You can expect this to keep increasing. Time wasting at all costs is the sign of a negative side and one that isn't really that good. Retaining possession and slowing down the play is intelligent time wasting. Feigning injury, deliberately slowing down everything such as throw ins, goal kicks etc... is embarrassing.
davieG Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 It depends what you mean by work. Does it actually waste time? Probably not, refs are fairly wise to it and stop the watch, substitutions automatically add on 30 seconds, even when they are dragging their heels from the other side of the pitch it doesn't take 30 seconds. So does it actually waste time? Not really. Does it wind up and annoy the opposition and the fans, break up and slow down the play, disrupt the tempo of the game? I think so, so in that sense it works. Obviusly faking injury is disgusting, and should be punished with a yellow card, but really a ref can't judge if someone is faking or not and it is on the manager and the club to instil a sense of fair play. Also I hate players holding the ball in the corner, I get why they do it, and it isn't cheating, but it I hate it when other teams do it, and I hate it even more when we do it, normally because we are so bad at it. The ref against Watford despite continually pointing to his watch did not add on anywhere near the time wasted. In the first half nothing was added on to the announced 2 mins minimum of extra time and in the second half the additional time added on to the announced 5 mins was mostly taken up by the time needed to be added on for our goal.
lcfcsnow Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 Not time wasting but I recall in the first half Morgan collided with someone as the ball went out for a Watford corner, and at least two Watford players were calling for our physio to come on. Normal? Maybe, exceot that he didn't need treatment and soon got up, if the physio had come on then we'd have been without Morgan to defend the corner - advantage Watford.
Captain... Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 Not time wasting but I recall in the first half Morgan collided with someone as the ball went out for a Watford corner, and at least two Watford players were calling for our physio to come on. Normal? Maybe, exceot that he didn't need treatment and soon got up, if the physio had come on then we'd have been without Morgan to defend the corner - advantage Watford. That's pretty devious and shit like that is what pisses me off in football, it's a stupid rule in the first place, only in place because of cheating twats in the first place, and it is completely misused, what is the point in the physio coming on the pitch and treating a player then the player going off the pitch after he has been treated. Either stretchers need to come on to help him off, or the player makes his own way to the sides where the physio can treat him while the game continues. I really do doubt what a physio does in cases where a player isn't too injured to continue. Patch up a cut, fair enough, deal with cramp ok, but is the magic spray really that magic when it is just a knock, the player just needs to run it off.
Father Ted Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 The sad thing is that I don't remember Watford being that blatantly pathetic under Zola. Evidently, their new manager has told them to play these antics and quite frankly it was disgusting to see. Some of the worst sportmanship I've ever seen down the KP.
Danizen Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 It does work most of the time. The refs add on a bit of time but if they stopped the clock every time, games would regularly pass the 100 minute mark.
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