sphericalfox Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 You might be right.... but can Russia afford a full scale war? I have no doubt they would win one with the Ukraine, but financially there would be no one to help them get back on their feet- Ukraine have the E.U and IMF and united nations.... Ukraine is also ten times bigger than Georgia so it wont just be a case of walk in and have their own way if there was a war... Pretty sure all that oil/gas/minerals that own, can fund about any war they want for the next 20 years.
Webbo Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 You might be right.... but can Russia afford a full scale war? I have no doubt they would win one with the Ukraine, but financially there would be no one to help them get back on their feet- Ukraine have the E.U and IMF and united nations.... Ukraine is also ten times bigger than Georgia so it wont just be a case of walk in and have their own way if there was a war... The Russian airforce/missiles could wipe out the Ukrainian army in hours. They wouldn't stand a chance.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 What Webbo said. The Russians might not be the military force they were as the Soviet Union, and Ukraine would be a far more formidable opponent than Georgia, but a full blown war would only end in a decisive Russian victory. EU or UN involvement on the Ukrainian side would have the potential to get very, very ugly.
Webbo Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 It's also clear that a very large minority, maybe 40 odd % are on Russia's side.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 Hardly surprising given that 20% are ethnic Russians. This has the potential to become a very ugly civil war, but I certainly wouldn't want us getting involved at this point. It's far, far too intractable for us to enter.
ADK Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 I think people are perhaps being too harsh on Russia for now. So far they've only put troops in the Crimea, a majority Russian autonomous region that has a recently elected interim leader who has specifically requested Russian intervention. If Russian troops take control of other parts of Ukraine It will be a bigger issue.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 I think people are perhaps being too harsh on Russia for now. So far they've only put troops in the Crimea, a majority Russian autonomous region that has a recently elected interim leader who has specifically requested Russian intervention. If Russian troops take control of other parts of Ukraine It will be a bigger issue. It certainly isn't Hungary 1956 just yet. The issue is that Putin may well wish to extend his reach to get his hands of Ukrainian gas, something he's coveted for many years. A pro European government would be very inconvenient for Putin and I don't think he'd stand by and let an anti-Russian government grow in Kiev.
bovril Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 John Kerry on CBS: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext."Satire just died. Again.
Stadt Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 There's some small similarities with this situation and Japan's invasion of Manchuria as well.
Guesty Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 John Kerry on CBS: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext." Satire just died. Again. I pissed myself when I heard him say that.
AlphaMaleFox Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 Anschluss Munich agreement Why Die for Danzig? Phoney War
Jace Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 There is only 1 way America and Russia should sort out this dispute over Ukraine
Guest ttfn Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 Can somebody explain to me what is going on? It appears that I made the mistake of not really paying attention when the protests started about a week or so ago and now there is a lot of assumed knowledge in the news reports.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 Can somebody explain to me what is going on? It appears that I made the mistake of not really paying attention when the protests started about a week or so ago and now there is a lot of assumed knowledge in the news reports. I'm happy to be corrected for my own knowledge but from what i know the ousted president rejected a contract or EU agreement that would've brought them closer to the EU. The majority of Ukranians wanted it signed so ousted the president. He's seeking refuge in Russia as him and Putin are good mates. Russia have a base in Crimea I think and the new Ukranian president warned that any movement of troops outside of it would be considered as a volatile act. the majority of populace in Crimea are of strong Russian descent.
Lionator Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 I'm happy to be corrected for my own knowledge but from what i know the ousted president rejected a contract or EU agreement that would've brought them closer to the EU. The majority of Ukranians wanted it signed so ousted the president. He's seeking refuge in Russia as him and Putin are good mates. Russia have a base in Crimea I think and the new Ukranian president warned that any movement of troops outside of it would be considered as a volatile act. the majority of populace in Crimea are of strong Russian descent. And basically America have got involved because that's what America does. Arseholes.
Father Ted Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 I've not read posts on here in depth as much of it is more than likely fueled by BBC propaganda. So here's my tuppence. The Ukrainian's who are protesting are far right, bordering on Nazism. These are the same 'hooligans' that the BBC strongly condemned in the build up to the European Championships in 2012 yet are now being heralded as 'heroes' only two years later. With the high levels of involvement from America and their bitch, the UK, this indicates that this is what they want. They want the protesters to kick up a stink as they want to have closer ties to the EU, allowing Russia's opposition to close in closer to them. This is because the Americans and the EU see Russia as a threat, Putin is growing in stature and is building a strong nation, far stronger than the Americans, and they don't like that one bit. The only way this CAN lead is towards a civil war between Western Ukraine and the Crimea region/parts of Eastern Ukraine. It is not just a battle within Ukraine but between Russia and the West. Good luck to those protesters, let them have their way but no doubt they'll be running back to Russia when they go the same way as Greece and become pissed on by the EU and beginning paying extortionate prices for their minerals which Russia hands to them on a plate. A divide is growing in Europe, Eastern Europe and parts of Central Europe are growing closer and closer by the day to Russia. Long live Putin.
Father Ted Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 While Ukraine should be able to be a member of the EU if that's what the majority in the country want, the EU has to be careful to not be provocative in it's support. The EU's well meaning recognition of ex-Yugoslavian states was instrumental in Serbia acting aggressively to separatism in Croatia and Bosnia, and something similar could happen with Russia in the Ukraine. I think I'll just throw my oar in here too. The West always have and always will act against Serbs. Perhaps independence was the correct route for Yugoslavia however NATO's and American's relentless bombing of Serbs in Belgrade is amongst one of the worst war atrocities since World War II and as usual nobody is punished. The fact that Ante Gotovina was acquitted of war crimes (he was just as bad as Karadzic and Mladic) yet minor Serb politicians are being found guilty at the Hague says a lot. The heavily Serb populated areas of Krajina (in modern day Croatia) and Republic of Srpska in Bosnia and Herzegovina had as much right to independence to any other state however Krajina seen the largely ethnic cleansing programme since the second World War and Republic of Srpska is under the cosh from the EU as there are future fears that violence could one day break out again - particularly seeing as Kosovo and Republic of Srpska have very similar populations yet the West has pushed heavily for Kosovo independence but won't allow Republic of Srpska a sniff. It's all BBC and American driven propaganda.
AlphaMaleFox Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 I've not read posts on here in depth as much of it is more than likely fueled by BBC propaganda. So here's my tuppence. The Ukrainian's who are protesting are far right, bordering on Nazism. These are the same 'hooligans' that the BBC strongly condemned in the build up to the European Championships in 2012 yet are now being heralded as 'heroes' only two years later. With the high levels of involvement from America and their bitch, the UK, this indicates that this is what they want. They want the protesters to kick up a stink as they want to have closer ties to the EU, allowing Russia's opposition to close in closer to them. This is because the Americans and the EU see Russia as a threat, Putin is growing in stature and is building a strong nation, far stronger than the Americans, and they don't like that one bit. The only way this CAN lead is towards a civil war between Western Ukraine and the Crimea region/parts of Eastern Ukraine. It is not just a battle within Ukraine but between Russia and the West. Good luck to those protesters, let them have their way but no doubt they'll be running back to Russia when they go the same way as Greece and become pissed on by the EU and beginning paying extortionate prices for their minerals which Russia hands to them on a plate. A divide is growing in Europe, Eastern Europe and parts of Central Europe are growing closer and closer by the day to Russia. Long live Putin. What parts? You Serbs and Belarussians, you are really isolated in your rusophilism... Too much of Russia Today propaganda
Jon the Hat Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 I've not read posts on here in depth as much of it is more than likely fueled by BBC propaganda. So here's my tuppence. The Ukrainian's who are protesting are far right, bordering on Nazism. These are the same 'hooligans' that the BBC strongly condemned in the build up to the European Championships in 2012 yet are now being heralded as 'heroes' only two years later. With the high levels of involvement from America and their bitch, the UK, this indicates that this is what they want. They want the protesters to kick up a stink as they want to have closer ties to the EU, allowing Russia's opposition to close in closer to them. This is because the Americans and the EU see Russia as a threat, Putin is growing in stature and is building a strong nation, far stronger than the Americans, and they don't like that one bit. The only way this CAN lead is towards a civil war between Western Ukraine and the Crimea region/parts of Eastern Ukraine. It is not just a battle within Ukraine but between Russia and the West. Good luck to those protesters, let them have their way but no doubt they'll be running back to Russia when they go the same way as Greece and become pissed on by the EU and beginning paying extortionate prices for their minerals which Russia hands to them on a plate. A divide is growing in Europe, Eastern Europe and parts of Central Europe are growing closer and closer by the day to Russia. Long live Putin. Jesus Christ. Feel free to move yourself to the motherland won't you. You are in dreamland but go for your life.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26410431
Strokes Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 This isnt going to end well, im going to dig a bunker tomorrow.
Jon the Hat Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 Possible it kicks off. Making sure we have passports etc sorted in case a flight to Australia is prudent.
AlphaMaleFox Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 Possible it kicks off. Making sure we have passports etc sorted in case a flight to Australia is prudent. Nobody will be safe http://youtu.be/MJUeae_qE6A
Jon the Hat Posted 2 March 2014 Posted 2 March 2014 Nobody will be safe If there is a war it will be a conventional one. Rather be in Australia than here if it spreads.
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