howlinmadmurfdoc Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 That old chestnut indeed. It isn't bullshit and it never has been. So what's Nuge done other than score penalties this season? I've not been to every game this season but the ones I have he's looked no better than wood.
kingcarr21 Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 the yeovil players dive at the end made me laugh. Fair play to the ref for spotting it. Prob the only decision he got right. Ref had a mare
StanSP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Pearson's face in contrast to the guy behind him. lol
Dan Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 So what's Nuge done other than score penalties this season? I've not been to every game this season but the ones I have he's looked no better than wood. So you accuse me of chucking out an 'old chestnut' yet throw out the 'Nugent only scores penalties' nonsense. He's played a different role this season. Deeper, closer to the midfield rather than as an out and out striker. The majority of his goals have come from the spot, correct - but watch the highlights of a lot of our games this season (all on Youtube), he plays a part in a lot of our goals with his movement, directly assisting the goal or directly scoring it. He has far more to his game than Chris Wood currently does. Chris Wood is still only young, so I wouldn't sell him yet - but I seriously do struggle to see what he adds to us other than the odd goal. I find it no co-incidence we nose-dived when we dropped the energetic (albeit impotent) Vardy last year and replaced him with a big bloke who is actually no good in the air. Wood's introduction was the main reason we went off last year, for me. There's far more to a striker's game than just goals. See Ross McCormack and Jordan Rhodes' clubs league position for details.
howlinmadmurfdoc Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 So you accuse me of chucking out an 'old chestnut' yet throw out the 'Nugent only scores penalties' nonsense. He's played a different role this season. Deeper, closer to the midfield rather than as an out and out striker. The majority of his goals have come from the spot, correct - but watch the highlights of a lot of our games this season (all on Youtube), he plays a part in a lot of our goals with his movement, directly assisting the goal or directly scoring it. He has far more to his game than Chris Wood currently does. Chris Wood is still only young, so I wouldn't sell him yet - but I seriously do struggle to see what he adds to us other than the odd goal. I find it no co-incidence we nose-dived when we dropped the energetic (albeit impotent) Vardy last year and replaced him with a big bloke who is actually no good in the air. Wood's introduction was the main reason we went off last year, for me. There's far more to a striker's game than just goals. See Ross McCormack and Jordan Rhodes' clubs league position for details. You can't criticise someone who plays ten minutes every other week for only scoring the odd goal, what chance has he got to do anything else, He's an important part of the squad and a useful option to have on the bench.
StanSP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Nuge has 11 assists. Next down in the list is Dyer on 5. Clearly more than just a penalty-scorer.
kingcarr21 Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Nuge did the best he could with next to no help from midfield last night. Yet he still put vardy through on goal and did a lovely dummy in the box for (i believe) Mahrez to then sky it. He will get on the scoresheet saturday and everyone will love him again
ousefox Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Pearson's face in contrast to the guy behind him. lol Could swear that's Rene Meulensteen and Ray Winstone at the top
Dan Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 You can't criticise someone who plays ten minutes every other week for only scoring the odd goal, what chance has he got to do anything else, He's an important part of the squad and a useful option to have on the bench. There's a reason he plays that infrequently and it's been displayed many a time. I hope it works for him here, I really do, but I don't think it will.
cjslcfc Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Our midfield was utter shite last night. That's why we struggled. Misplaced passes and playing at a pedestrian pace. The midfield set the tempo, there's only so much the strikers can do and, frankly, they had no help at all last night. Although saying that, Vardy should have scored early doors!!
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 People criticising the substitutions, but we actually played quite well in the last 10 mins, we completely over-ran Yeovil. Our midfield was awful, but once we started putting the ball out to Dyer (for some reason no one passed to him for about 10 minutes! ) we looked dangerous. If we had played like that for 90 minutes, then we could have scored 4 or 5. But we didn't. Every team has an off day, and I'm glad we got away with it, plus we got to see a once in a lifetime goal (I'm 100% certain Kasper's header was over the line!)
Guest Mee-9 Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 The way in which we scored last minute was pretty special, but it shouldn't take away the fact that it was a dreadful performance. I don't think you could tell who was top and who was in a relegation battle. It seemed like the team just breezed it, and complacency got the better of them. Agree with the post stating Drinkwater and Vardy should have been rested. Also, fair play to Yeovil. Getting in our faces, pressing well. Did their homework.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Why did we not deserve a point? Just because we were not playing particularly well does not mean we didn't deserve to get a point or even three out of it. We created far more attacking opportunities and should have been a couple up before they scored (from another set piece). Again in the second half we created far more openings, not many particularly clear ones, but we still offered more than Yeovil. People credit Yeovil for playing well, they didn't really did they? Seemingly people think they played well because they stopped up playing, but yesterday that was mostly self inflicted with shit passing than anything they did. When you're relying on your keeper to head one in in the 92nd minute of the match, having not really created any clear opportunities up until that point, and having been utterly woeful... you don't deserve a point. Pearson's face in contrast to the guy behind him. lol The guy behind him is Phil Parkinson (manager of Bradford) is it not?!
TrentFox Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Yeovil played well. For the talent they have at their disposal, they maximised every ounce of it. Killed space and consequently the movement of our front two was well controlled. Our problems all stemmed from that, for me. It left us with time on the ball but no idea what to do with it. There will be more of the same on Saturday from an even better drilled Burnley side with significantly more talent. Liked the change of shape towards latter stages. We can afford to take such 'risks' as we realistically only need two more wins, possibly three, to be promoted. Think everyone just needs to chill-out .... it's fun punctuating a promotion season with some drama. We aren't Man City. These players are still finding their way ... and doing it admirably for the main part
The Doctor Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Because you'd naturally expect someone of his height and physique to be good in the air. We've got no dominant striker in the air. It's always going to be a struggle when teams do anything to stop us playing. Not really, why do people still think height = aerial threat? It's nothing to do with height or physique, it's about their jumping reach (look at Hume vs. De Vries the middle of last decade: Hume was about half a foot shorter, but his jumping reach was far better than, well any non-basketball player, so he actually posed more of a threat in the air). Physique can be an option in hold up play - get the ball to their feet and then run up in support, but that is not anything to do with aerial ability. From the amount of efforts we had and possession and corners you'd suspect that we deserved that point. We didn't. Utter tosh. Any team that creates 30 odd shots in a game deserves at least a point - a team can't give their opposition that many chances and not deserve it if one of those chances is converted. There's far more to a striker's game than just goals. See Ross McCormack and Jordan Rhodes' clubs league position for details. That old chestnut indeed. It isn't bullshit and it never has been. Make your mind up Dan, you were saying that strikers just score goals, then when called out on it, you've claimed you're right but done a 180 degree swing in positions...
Corky Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Looks a bit too young to be Phil Parkinson? Surely he would've been too busy managing Bradford in their match last night?
foxes_rule1978 Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 At work with the worst hangover ever, still 18 unbeaten so can't complain too much...
Babylon Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 When you're relying on your keeper to head one in in the 92nd minute of the match, having not really created any clear opportunities up until that point, and having been utterly woeful... you don't deserve a point. Absolute nonsense.
GloverFox Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 ... not deserving a point ... and Absolute nonsense ... ! ... both equally valid as personal points of view ... I just felt the game plan was absent last night, we turned up with our sports kit in a carrier bag and strolled out there with the attitude of 'we're going to win this' and went on to resort to desperation at the end to snatch a point! What drove me to despair last night was all the moaning and groaning that it was everyone's fault but our own ... When in reality (from my frustrated view) that game 'meant' more to Yeovil than it did us .. the time-wasting and niggling pushes and pulls are okay when we do it, but when the other way around!!! ... and Gods Teeth comparing we probably spend more on our training facilities and ground-staff than their entire playing staff did we really get full value ... But then again, fair play to the team to do the nasty and actually snatch that point (perhaps I and others won't feel so frustrated when it's the point that clinches the Champions title!?) .... Time to move on to the next game and chalk up the experience ... Yes, we could only manage a draw last night ... But at least I (we?) had the opportunity to be there and support OUR ... team ... !
Dickov22 Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 When you're relying on your keeper to head one in in the 92nd minute of the match, having not really created any clear opportunities up until that point, and having been utterly woeful... you don't deserve a point. That's absolute nonsense. The fact is, sometimes a bit of luck, or something special is what it takes. We created quite a lot of chances. The fact it took until the 92nd minute to equalise showed our endeavour.
Dan Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Not really, why do people still think height = aerial threat? It's nothing to do with height or physique, it's about their jumping reach (look at Hume vs. De Vries the middle of last decade: Hume was about half a foot shorter, but his jumping reach was far better than, well any non-basketball player, so he actually posed more of a threat in the air). Physique can be an option in hold up play - get the ball to their feet and then run up in support, but that is not anything to do with aerial ability. Utter tosh. Any team that creates 30 odd shots in a game deserves at least a point - a team can't give their opposition that many chances and not deserve it if one of those chances is converted. Make your mind up Dan, you were saying that strikers just score goals, then when called out on it, you've claimed you're right but done a 180 degree swing in positions... I was actually saying that about McCormack & Rhodes to prove my point that goal tally's themselves are over-hyped. What good have Blackburn done with Rhodes in the side? What good have Leeds done with McCormack in the side? Similarly, what about Burnley last year and Charlie Austin, Leicester when we had Yakubu etc.. there's a lot more to a striker than just a goals tally. Chris Wood's goals tally for us is quite good but his all-round game isn't, and that's why he isn't favoured over Vardy who offers a better all-round game now, as well as goals - or Nugent who offers both goals and assists (even if a lot of goals are from the spot). I wasn't talking up Rhodes & McCormack. It was the complete opposite. "All he does is score goals" is not a bullshit argument and it never was. As for the bit about height/aerial threat... maybe people think that because they have an advantage? You're correct about jumping reach, so why does Wood not use his at all?
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 When you're relying on your keeper to head one in in the 92nd minute of the match, having not really created any clear opportunities up until that point, and having been utterly woeful... you don't deserve a point. That's absolute nonsense. The fact is, sometimes a bit of luck, or something special is what it takes. We created quite a lot of chances. The fact it took until the 92nd minute to equalise showed our endeavour. In the first half we created a few. But in the second half we just whittled away time without threatening their goal properly until Schmeichel's header. There's nothing wrong with saying that we didn't deserve a point. It doesn't make us bad supporters or mean that our season is going to fall apart. It simply means that Yeovil came here, did what they needed to do very well for 92 minutes whereas we weren't on our game and were lucky to salvage something at the end. Getting lucky doesn't mean that you deserve something. Were we Yeovil fans walking away from that last night we'd feel we had done enough to deserve to win, and by the same measure there will be games where we walk away feeling we deserved more than we got. Fans by their nature are tainted in their views. I'm happy to be quite objective about it. I remember walking away from Brammall Lane a few years ago when King scored a beauty to give us a 1-0 win. We had been battered for 80 minutes after that goal and how they didn't score was beyond me. It was absolute floodlight robbery and, whilst we had a bit of luck and something special had given us a goal, there is no way that we deserved to win that game!
LJS Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Yeovil played at least as well as us. We had two clear chances - Vardy's miss and Mahrez's. They also had two, both early in the second half.
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