Hodgson Out?

[Corky]

Because it's the English national team.

 

It's international football not club football.

 

I'd rather have any English manager than have Mourinho or any foreigner.

 

I doubt they'll go for Neville yet, so we are left with Hodgson to stay, or Redknapp, Pardew, Bruce or Allardyce.

 

What a depressing list.

[Ric Flair]

I doubt they'll go for Neville yet, so we are left with Hodgson to stay, or Redknapp, Pardew, Bruce or Allardyce.

 

What a depressing list.

 

I'd be far more innovative than that. I'd give it someone like Paul Clement who is doing very well as Assistant at Real Madrid. Think outside the box and hope we strike gold.

[Corky]

I'd be far more innovative than that. I'd give it someone like Paul Clement who is doing very well as Assistant at Real Madrid. Think outside the box and hope we strike gold.

 

Would be the way for me.

 

None of the managers I listed are particularly bad managers, just that I don't see anyone there who will improve our players and make them play above themselves. Pardew a few years ago taking a fairly new Premier League side in Newcastle to fifth was excellent, but time has moved on and he seems to have regressed (and doesn't appear to trust, want or afford English players). Allardyce, Bruce have their qualities but don't play the best football and seem to be managers who do what is expected with pretty low expectations. Managers who will get to a level then not really push on.

 

We don't know what Neville or Clement are capable of so, as you say, take a risk and hope it pays off.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Could've and should've let Hiddink take the job part time when he offered a few years back post-Sven; but we gave it up to McClaren instead.

 

How grim for us all.

[Ric Flair]

Could've and should've let Hiddink take the job part time when he offered a few years back post-Sven; but we gave it up to McClaren instead.

How grim for us all.

We've missed the boat now though with the talent we had at our disposal. Now we've a real problem that must be fixed long term. Need probably 5-10 men in place to make big changes. Paul Clement and Glenn Hoddle in charge of the Full Squad and U21's.

Increase UEFA qualified coaches by at least double what we have. Install a quota of 10 English players in a squad of 25 in all leagues.

Develop a style of play where possession football is played at all levels.

Stop kids playing rugby, cricket, hockey and all guff like swimming and rowing. Everyone plays football or gets sent to Wales as punishment.

World Cup Winners by 2026.

[foxes_rule1978]

Sven had by far the best era of players... Played Scholes out of position and wrecked what should have been a very successful period.. I could argue no team had better players than we did at the time. Owen, Beckham, Scholes, Gerrard, Cole all in their prime and on fire...

[Pride_Of_The_Midlands]

When's the last time England had a manager with 100+ games under his belt?

Germany's development is pointing in the right direction, whereas the FA's strategy seems clueless and desperate at times.

You don't even give your own managers enough time to come to fruition.

 

Besides, England haven't won anything since 1966.

 

Again what has this got to do with England?

 

We're talking about Germany here.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Sven had by far the best era of players... Played Scholes out of position and wrecked what should have been a very successful period.. I could argue no team had better players than we did at the time. Owen, Beckham, Scholes, Gerrard, Cole all in their prime and on fire...

 

Merh, we had great players but if my memory serves right bar Euro 2004 the football served up was just as insipid as it has been for the majority post-Millenium. Lets not forget that that team with "by far the best era of players" couldn't keep David Healy on a leash at Windsor Park in 2005. As much as I'm no Sven advocate, the buck can't always stop with the manager when England fail.

[Guest ttfn]

Just thinking. We've not been ahead (or even scored to equalise) in a major championship knockout match since Euro 2004.

The last time we went ahead in one Wayne Rooney hadn't broken his foot.

[Guest Col city fan]

The more ive thought about it, the more I think Hodgson has gotten away with our World Cup debacle (I think that word about sums it up) scot-free.

Full backing of the FA, not much made of the 'good showing' (nil nil) v Costa Rica, other failed managers resigning.. yet Roy seemingly goes on with his 'project'.. yet no-one really seems to know what the 'project' is?

I'm sorry to bring his name up again, but just imagine if Redknapp had been England manager and had led the nation to such a weak outcome in the World's biggest tournament. On here, for starters, he would have been absolutely fookin mullered. Roy gets away with actually, almost no Retribution. In fact, it's almost seen as 'wrong' to question him and his tactics.

In typical Marxian 'superstructure' terms, the proleteriat are shaped to not question, to consider alternative explanations (eg 'transition') and any dissent is effectively quoshed.

Interesting....

As far as I can see, its just a big failure. As exemplified by the recent sales of Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana for a reported combined fee of nearly £60 million, yet neither of whom could get into our International first team.. a team 'in transition'.

Finally, Hodgson was the second best paid manager at the tournament ( or so I believe). Another fact which pretty much appears to have gone under the radar.

[Jimmy]

As soon as you brought up his speech impediment I stopped reading

[Guest Col city fan]

As soon as you brought up his speech impediment I stopped reading

Indeed...

edited..

Now get off your high horse, read it again and give your opinion. If you so wish.

[Jimmy]

Roy would get hammered if there was a decent alternative

[Fez of Mahrez]

In typical Marxian 'superstructure' terms, the proleteriat are shaped to not question, to consider alternative explanations (eg 'transition') and any dissent is effectively quoshed.

Interesting....

Isn't this just "the majority of people on here not agreeing with you"?

[Finnegan]

Isn't this just "the majority of people on here not agreeing with you"?

 

"I'm going to spout some waffle I Googled to cover the fact I know fvck all."

 

"I'm not a thick cvnt, literally everyone else is."

[Rob1742]

Nothing wrong with the manager, it is players that win the world cups, and it tends to be teams who have players that are world beaters.

Currently we do not have any world beaters and so our current predicament is down to us not having a great crop of players.

Even when we had great players like Lineker, Gazza, Shearer, Owen, Beckham we didn't do great, but currently we currently do not have players that compare to those.

The issue is getting worse as we only have a small number of English players who play in the premier league every week, so our preference to import is meaning we are not creating world beaters as much as we should.

Decent English players will end up playing in the championship, or competing for places against expensive imports rather than getting much needed game time in the Prem.

Until we change this, nothing will change. It is not new news, just look at how many World Cup games we have won over the most recent tournaments.

Kids coaching is getting a little better. Good quality coaching courses are available to those that can afford to go, which pulls them away from the Sunday games where coaching tends to be the old style that does not bring them on.

We need to continue to coach the kids correctly, we need to take this further. We then need to cut the number of foreigners per team to allow our own players to play at the highest league.

Until this happens we will continue to only breed the odd player rather than the required number to win world cups.

Blaming the manager is not right. It is generally the players that win the world cups, special ones that score special goals . Look at Robben, Rodriguez, Messi. These are the type of players that make major differences and we don't have them.

We don't have a Rodrguez who could score a goal like that last night. We don't have a Messi who you think could get you out of a hole in the last minute like he did the other game. Don't blame the manager, whoever we got we haven't the players that are special, that are game changers.

One day we might be good, but I don't think it will be for 10/20 years as we do not have the system in place to create the right talent.

[Guest Col city fan]

"I'm going to spout some waffle I Googled to cover the fact I know fvck all."

"I'm not a thick cvnt, literally everyone else is."

Which again is doing exactly what I've just said. Make a joke? Or a glib comment to retract from the subject at hand.

It's easier to do so. It's meaningless and, by so doing, the subject that really matters (England's sad demise at another major tournament), gets side-stepped and lost in the etha.

It becomes... yup Col's (add name here) saying something again. Lets not look at WHAT is being said. You seem to be a master at it Finners.

[Guest Bilo]

Was undecided on this for a few days after going out but I've now come down on the side of getting rid of Hodgson.

I want a Director of Football Operations in on a long-term contract (someone like Hoddle) to oversee the restructuring of the Association's football development programme. Bin off this commission bollocks - what a waste of time, money and air they are.

Then get in the best possible coach (English or not I do not give a fvck) we can get on renewable 2 year deals to focus solely on winning tournaments or at least going deep into them with the players we have at the time. If the coach fails, bin him and move on to the next one.

Stating the blindingly obvious but consistency is not what is required for international teams. The notion of consistency is limited in club football as it is - even Fergie recognised his teams had a 4-year sell-by date - but I'd argue it's completely irrelevant at international level: the players simply do not get enough time together.

Time to bin the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, the idea of Terry coming back, Johnson, Jagielka, Milner, Baines etc. Even Rooney can do one after the next Euros unless he suddenly relocates his touch of 2004.

I'd be interested to see whether we can tempt Klinsmann away from the US. What he's done there with a stupendously average squad is fantastic.

 

It'd take some dislodging I expect.

 

I think he and his family are very well settled in California. That being said, he has been with the USA team for a while now and may fancy a new challenge. He certainly has experience of English football from his time with Tottenham.

 

You're right that it's a nonsense that some will not consider a foreign coach as well. The lack of quality English coaches is a huge problem, and to make us a world class side we need a world class coach. After all, nobody complains that NP didn't grow up on the Filbert Street terraces do they?

[Guest Col city fan]

Nothing wrong with the manager, it is players that win the world cups, and it tends to be teams who have players that are world beaters.

Currently we do not have any world beaters and so our current predicament is down to us not having a great crop of players.

Even when we had great players like Lineker, Gazza, Shearer, Owen, Beckham we didn't do great, but currently we currently do not have players that compare to those.

The issue is getting worse as we only have a small number of English players who play in the premier league every week, so our preference to import is meaning we are not creating world beaters as much as we should.

Decent English players will end up playing in the championship, or competing for places against expensive imports rather than getting much needed game time in the Prem.

Until we change this, nothing will change. It is not new news, just look at how many World Cup games we have won over the most recent tournaments.

Kids coaching is getting a little better. Good quality coaching courses are available to those that can afford to go, which pulls them away from the Sunday games where coaching tends to be the old style that does not bring them on.

We need to continue to coach the kids correctly, we need to take this further. We then need to cut the number of foreigners per team to allow our own players to play at the highest league.

Until this happens we will continue to only breed the odd player rather than the required number to win world cups.

Blaming the manager is not right. It is generally the players that win the world cups, special ones that score special goals . Look at Robben, Rodriguez, Messi. These are the type of players that make major differences and we don't have them.

We don't have a Rodrguez who could score a goal like that last night. We don't have a Messi who you think could get you out of a hole in the last minute like he did the other game. Don't blame the manager, whoever we got we haven't the players that are special, that are game changers.

One day we might be good, but I don't think it will be for 10/20 years as we do not have the system in place to create the right talent.

Though I appreciate you're comments, rather than the typical Finnegan type diatribe, I kid you not mate, your final sentence could have been written 20 yrs ago. Honestly, I was reading and hearing similar comments then.

My point is this.. the England problem is MUCH bigger than any one manager. God knows, we've had so many. BUT, Roy seems to be relatively untouchable in a different way to others, that weren't. I think he's made many errors at this tournament, but they are kinda glossed-over.

Perhaps the nation really has got such small expectation that people almost don't care anymore? If so, sad times.

[Stadt]

Why don't you apply to the FA, Col?

You seem to know what you're on about.

[MooseBreath]

We haven't currently got the best crop of players and you can't blame the manager for that. But when the tactics aren't working, the team selection is poor, and most if not all of the players are well below their best, then I think it's fair to question the manager.

All this "transition period" stuff is a load of guff. An international manager only ever has a limited amount of time with a group of players who aren't used to playing with each other. In effect international squads are permanently in transition. It's the managers job to bring them together and quickly get them playing as a team that's more than the sum of its parts. In this respect Roy failed terribly. He got the best out of nobody. The team was not half as good as the sum of its parts. It was a dreadful world cup and I'm surprised tthat Roy has escaped with barely any criticism.

[Fox92]

Nothing wrong with the manager, it is players that win the world cups, and it tends to be teams who have players that are world beaters.

Currently we do not have any world beaters and so our current predicament is down to us not having a great crop of players.

Even when we had great players like Lineker, Gazza, Shearer, Owen, Beckham we didn't do great, but currently we currently do not have players that compare to those.

The issue is getting worse as we only have a small number of English players who play in the premier league every week, so our preference to import is meaning we are not creating world beaters as much as we should.

Decent English players will end up playing in the championship, or competing for places against expensive imports rather than getting much needed game time in the Prem.

Until we change this, nothing will change. It is not new news, just look at how many World Cup games we have won over the most recent tournaments.

Kids coaching is getting a little better. Good quality coaching courses are available to those that can afford to go, which pulls them away from the Sunday games where coaching tends to be the old style that does not bring them on.

We need to continue to coach the kids correctly, we need to take this further. We then need to cut the number of foreigners per team to allow our own players to play at the highest league.

Until this happens we will continue to only breed the odd player rather than the required number to win world cups.

Blaming the manager is not right. It is generally the players that win the world cups, special ones that score special goals . Look at Robben, Rodriguez, Messi. These are the type of players that make major differences and we don't have them.

We don't have a Rodrguez who could score a goal like that last night. We don't have a Messi who you think could get you out of a hole in the last minute like he did the other game. Don't blame the manager, whoever we got we haven't the players that are special, that are game changers.

One day we might be good, but I don't think it will be for 10/20 years as we do not have the system in place to create the right talent.

That's rubbish. Of course it's the managers fault. He's the manager at the end of the day and it's your fault when you're the manager. He picks the squad, he picks the 11, it's his tactics.

[Haydos]

Which again is doing exactly what I've just said. Make a joke? Or a glib comment to retract from the subject at hand.

It's easier to do so. It's meaningless and, by so doing, the subject that really matters (England's sad demise at another major tournament), gets side-stepped and lost in the etha.

It becomes... yup Col's (add name here) saying something again. Lets not look at WHAT is being said. You seem to be a master at it Finners.

 

Didn't you do exactly this to me the other day? Then took the piss when I wanted to discuss the issue. Bit rich mate.

[Guest Col city fan]

Didn't you do exactly this to me the other day? Then took the piss when I wanted to discuss the issue. Bit rich mate.

yeah but I was funny...

And then I gave you my view..

[sidavies1970]

I think he should be given the chance at Euro 2016 when all these young players will have no excuses. 

 

Admittedly he should have done better at this tournament but nobody was majorly surprised. See how 2016 goes then make a decision, don't see how anyone else could do much with this current lot