dayday Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 31,448..Was there really that many there yesterday? I saw plenty of empty seats,does the club include ST holders in the figures,regardless if they turn up or not.
Buzzell Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 31,448..Was there really that many there yesterday? I saw plenty of empty seats,does the club include ST holders in the figures,regardless if they turn up or not. Well they have the ticket scanner at the turnstiles so surely that would count up how many tickets have gone through the turnstiles, ST's too. Surely that's how they work out how many people are there.
Fox92 Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 I thought they always count ST holders regardless of if they went.
Countesthorpe Fox 1884 Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 They do it on tickets sold, only team that does it on the actual gate is spurs, it was on sky sports news a couple weeks ago, Arsenal had 40,000 for CL Game when they said the official attendance was 60,000
Spudulike Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 More City fans there than usual given the two extra blocks sold out to City fans. That won't happen often this season, if at all.
undey Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 We hadn't even realised we'd sat on the wrong row because our seats on both rows were empty, think it's shocking they can claim it as "sold out"..
teblin Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 We hadn't even realised we'd sat on the wrong row because our seats on both rows were empty, think it's shocking they can claim it as "sold out"..Just because people aren't there doesn't mean it isn't sold out.
Spudulike Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 I could see empty seats in the Family Stand at kick-off from my position in SK2. However, after about 10 minutes it looked pretty much full. No empty seats in the Kop as far as I could tell. 12th in this league as well http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england
CosbehFox Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 They do it on tickets sold, only team that does it on the actual gate is spurs, it was on sky sports news a couple weeks ago, Arsenal had 40,000 for CL Game when they said the official attendance was 60,000 Explain the 8,000 attendance for the infamous Boro snow game then...
chapero82 Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 i couldn't go yesterday as my daughter was poorly so I had to look after her while my partner went food shopping etc
jammie82uk Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 Explain the 8,000 attendance for the infamous Boro snow game then... To be fair that report was only on the clubs that was in the premier league at the time, we could do it differently and with the ticket scanners I don't see why we can't have a actual attendance figure In the report as well it stated that arsenal fans were the biggest culprits in buying tickets but not attending
JIMMYWILLIS Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 To be fair that report was only on the clubs that was in the premier league at the time, we could do it differently and with the ticket scanners I don't see why we can't have a actual attendance figure In the report as well it stated that arsenal fans were the biggest culprits in buying tickets but not attending Well they are dirt cheap after all
sylofox Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 If it is a sell out that is what it is however many turn up. The club would be crazy claiming a sell out with 2k tickets left. They are also not responsible for season ticket holders not turning up.
Dan Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 Wonder how many were STH's who bought them for the Man Utd/Arsenal games but don't want to know against Burnley.
peach0000 Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 Explain the 8,000 attendance for the infamous Boro snow game then... If they said there was 20,000 at that game then it would have looked a bit stupid so they probably made a special case for it as it was so obvious
leftbackinthechangingroom Posted 5 October 2014 Posted 5 October 2014 Still a fair few off a sell out so there will be a few empty seats...
CosbehFox Posted 6 October 2014 Posted 6 October 2014 If they said there was 20,000 at that game then it would have looked a bit stupid so they probably made a special case for it as it was so obvious But it proves that there is a counter of the attendance. So why would the club not use it every game?
jammie82uk Posted 6 October 2014 Posted 6 October 2014 But it proves that there is a counter of the attendance. So why would the club not use it every game? How do you know they don't? Maybe you could ask the question To the club or it could be asked at the next fcc meeting if they are still happening and someone on here is still involved
Bert Posted 6 October 2014 Posted 6 October 2014 Every single season ticket seat is counted towards the final attendance.
Guest MattP Posted 6 October 2014 Posted 6 October 2014 Wonder how many were STH's who bought them for the Man Utd/Arsenal games but don't want to know against Burnley. 2 in my local couldn't be bothered as it was only Burnley. I was surprised at how many empty seats they appeared to be in the west stand.
yorkie1999 Posted 6 October 2014 Posted 6 October 2014 But it proves that there is a counter of the attendance. So why would the club not use it every game? I don't know exactly how it works but its got something to do with the amount of money you can spend the next season based upon the amount of tickets sold the previous season, a bit like your tax code being calculated on your last years earnings. And i think that's why teams like Man city, qpr west ham are, in the future, having bigger stadiums/capacities and not necessarily being able to fill them, but be able to sell the seats to possibly hidden benefactors !!!
Claretforever Posted 8 October 2014 Posted 8 October 2014 Unfortunately it appears to be common practice nowadays. :-(. I don't like it as it as an attendance should be 'bums on seats'. If they want to give the tickets sold figure they should state 'tickets sold', and not call it 'attendance', which is misleading. All top clubs have electronic turnstiles so it's not difficult to give the true figure. Not all clubs do it, Oldham Athletic being an example in League One who keep it real, but a majority do. Apparently began(or at least became news) sometime around when Wimbledon were relocating to Milton Keynes(2002?), and with ST holders boycotting outside, and hundreds in the ground, they were announcing attendances including the couple of thousand boycotting ST holders outside. Unsure about Burnley(?) as we have had two "sell outs" this season (capacity now reduced to 21,401) but the attendance announced has been up to 700 less. That suggests we don't, but you never know.
Captain... Posted 8 October 2014 Posted 8 October 2014 If it is based on tickets sold why do we wait so long before announcing it, we know how many tickets were sold before the match started and with none available on the gate then it could have been announced at kick off. There were quite a few empty seats near me when we got there just before kick off, but they filled up, I think a lot of people got stuck in traffic, we only made it just before kick off. I also don't understand why season ticket holders who can't make it have no option through the club to sell the seat to someone else. Similar to the away priority scheme where you can do it 3 or 4 times a season, but only when it is sold out. If you make it available for resale, you get a nominal amount back, or a free ticket to a cup game, or Fanstore credit, and someone else can buy the ticket at full price and see the game. It really makes no sense that the club doesn't make this an easy viable option, bit of extra money, more people in the stadium buying more stuff, more fans can watch the game. Everyone is a winner.
Claretforever Posted 8 October 2014 Posted 8 October 2014 I agree to an extent, but there is an issue if the game doesn't sell out and the club can't sell the seat. Does the person still get the fee/credit? If not they may as well have given it to a mate. I think they wait until second half more out of tradition than anything else. It gives the illusion that they are counting the pennies. Arsenal fans have suggested fans who only attend a small number of games per season have to give their season ticket up. They have a long waiting list though so that could work. Some of Arsenal's league games have been watched by 53-54,000, which is still great, but down on the 60,000 announced. Man United have a similar issue where some league crowds are 66-67,000 when 75,000 is announced. 10% seems to be around the regular percentage who don't attend across different clubs. It's obviously more for midweek games. Ranger and Celtic have an even larger problem but that's a different story. The 'tickets sold' figure is the figure that goes to the tax man, but I'd rather they use the actual figure across the board. Most fans seem to agree. EDIT: I wouldn't imagine the Premier League would want the actual attendance announced. It could harm their brand if there were empty seats at many matches, especially when they continue to announce record figures.
ScouseFox Posted 8 October 2014 Posted 8 October 2014 If it is based on tickets sold why do we wait so long before announcing it, we know how many tickets were sold before the match started and with none available on the gate then it could have been announced at kick off. There were quite a few empty seats near me when we got there just before kick off, but they filled up, I think a lot of people got stuck in traffic, we only made it just before kick off. I also don't understand why season ticket holders who can't make it have no option through the club to sell the seat to someone else. Similar to the away priority scheme where you can do it 3 or 4 times a season, but only when it is sold out. If you make it available for resale, you get a nominal amount back, or a free ticket to a cup game, or Fanstore credit, and someone else can buy the ticket at full price and see the game. It really makes no sense that the club doesn't make this an easy viable option, bit of extra money, more people in the stadium buying more stuff, more fans can watch the game. Everyone is a winner. they do that at liverpool, think i've said it before. you can't go you can sell your ST back for let's say £20 and the club sell it on again for that game as a matchday ticket for £50. STH gets a bit back, new matchday ticket buyer gets to go to a "sold out" game and the club makes an extra £30. everyone is a winner. although one thing i don't understand is that if you can't go/don't want to surely you would have a mate, a relative, a chap down the pub or anyone who'd take the ticket off your hands?! i don't live in leicester so don't have a great deal of family or friends who support city. but whenever i can't make a game, even in the championship, there'd be 3 or 4 names at least after each ticket for free, or for a pint next time i see them etc. surely in a case like mattp's friends in the pub someone else in the pub could've offered to buy them a few rounds in exchange for a free ticket that was otherwise not used? some people are weird.
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