Nalis Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Would love to know if those complaining about UKIP having a disproportionate amount of seats against their national share of votes voted against AV (or didnt vote at all) in that particular referendum...
Bobby Hundreds Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 London Mayoral election for him next, guarantee you. He's already confirmed this.
Strokes Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 How many prime ministers have increased their majorities going into a second term, I don't think Blair did, did thatcher?
Stevosevic Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 How many prime ministers have increased their majorities going into a second term, I don't think Blair did, did thatcher? Thatcher did massively in 83 - Cameron is the first since.
Guest Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 When you have Alex Salmond, Nicola Sturgeon and the whole SNP party doing their best to create a divide between Scotland and England, the old patriotic fires were bound to ignite. Yes Scotland and England are part of the United Kingdom but historically and politically (apart from the North) they have always been poles apart in their beliefs. There has been animosity growing towards Scotland since the vote on Independence. They had the opportunity to break free and broke against it, yet still bang the same drum. You heavily underestimate the SNP's role in this election. Sturgeon said it herself, "it's Labours failure to beat the Tories in England as to why David Cameron is back in Number 10". The plan was clearly to have a Coalition between Labour and SNP with the belief that the Conservatives would not win anywhere near a majority. They underestimated just how strong the English belief is to be the dominant force in Westminster. Yes we may be a Kingdom of four nations but the old rivalries live on. The English always want to be on top. Eurgh! Nationalism at its worst. Scots live and vote in England English live and vote in Scotland. English are far from pure breed - maybe if English all had white skin and blonde hair it would be so much better. Except most of the earlier English were pushed into Scotland, Wales and Cornwall living England to be a mongrel race of angles/french/germans/saxons/norse - the English should probably have red hair in which case.
Nod.E Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 I think the Liberals (Clegg) took a very short term view last time and everyone I ever spoke to who voted Lib Dem said they never would again, they felt betrayed, they voted Liberal because their beliefs were almost the polar opposite to the Tories and Clegg stabbed them in the back all for a bit of power. They got exactly what they were due, I'm sure there were a lot of decent politicians who are now out on their arse because of the decision Clegg made 5 years ago, there was never going to be any other outcome, so I think calling Clegg a nice guy when he knowingly ruined his parties future 5 years ago is a bit of a stretch. I think it just shows that centre right politics is what people, not in this country, but across Europe want at present, and a man who looks like a Lizard the face of it. People are complaining Ed took Labour too far to the left, but I think that's what the majority of Labour voters/supporters want from the Labour Party, a left wing opposition/government. I think Ed was just never the right man, in an age where image is everything and substance is nothing he just didn't have the look or the charisma to lead the Labour Party, regardless of which direction he took them in, it should always of been his brother given what people tend to look to in politics these days, I thought at the time the Labour party were screwed when David didn't get in, he would of, at the very least, assured there wasn't a Conservative majority just because his face is more likeable. I'm ok financially, it suits me to have a Conservative government but I'm a firm believer that you shouldn't vote for yourself but those who need help, and that's why I'll never be a supporter of the Conservatives, regardless of my position in the world because I know now for the next 5 years the most vulnerable people in society will be attacked by this government, and my conscience would just never allow that. And one thing that I can't seem to get my head around is why, if Scotland are so pro SNP, did they not vote to be independent? Now they've a country with only SNP sets but being run by the Tories, doesn't make sense to me. Scotland do want independence. It was only last minute deals that just stopped it from happening. They'll get independence eventually. 2017 will be an interesting year.
EnderbyFox Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Who is going to be the new Deputy PM do you think? Osborne?
Strokes Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Thatcher did massively in 83 - Cameron is the first since.Cheers, I wasn't sure.
Guest Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 How many prime ministers have increased their majorities going into a second term, I don't think Blair did, did thatcher? That doesn't bode well then does it?
Strokes Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Who is going to be the new Deputy PM do you think? Osborne?Maybe, may or Johnson have a claim I'm sure.
Guest Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Maybe, may or Johnson have a claim I'm sure. Wasn't there a swing AGAINST Boris?
Strokes Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 That doesn't bode well then does it?Depends on your viewpoint fiffy.....as a posterboy, I'd have thought you'd be dancing for joy.
Strokes Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Wasn't there a swing AGAINST Boris?I'm not sure, I missed a lot of it due to work commitments but will try to catch up later.
Guest Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Depends on your viewpoint fiffy.....as a posterboy, I'd have thought you'd be dancing for joy. Blair and Thatcher - don't more people hate the two of them - after their second term - than any other PM?
Strokes Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Blair and Thatcher - don't more people hate the two of them - after their second term - than any other PM?Being hated comes with the territory, only losers get love.
Guest Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Must admit that I'm far more interested in the attempts of Labour and the Liberals to reinvent themselves than I am about the Tories next 5 years in government. Hope at least one of the two radicalise their positions and differentiate themselves clearly from the other two main parties. Being hated comes with the territory, only losers get love. Should I mention Cambiasso here? Or merely revel in the dislike I have from most people on this board?
Strokes Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Must admit that I'm far more interested in the attempts of Labour and the Liberals to reinvent themselves than I am about the Tories next 5 years in government. Hope at least one of the two radicalise their positions and differentiate themselves clearly from the other two main parties. Should I mention Cambiasso here? Or merely revel in the dislike I have from most people on this board?
The Doctor Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Scotland do want independence. It was only last minute deals that just stopped it from happening. They'll get independence eventually. 2017 will be an interesting year. Presuming the eu referendum goes in favour of out. SNP would need that to justify trying to force another indyref.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 I'd be very surprised if any EU referendum went ahead.
MiniFox Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 So you are an expert on why Labour lost. Utter crap! They lost because people don't trust Labour, and trust the Tories more, for various reasons. The SNP "threat" was one of the biggest reasons many did not vote Labour. So for what reasons do people trust the Tories more?
Merging Cultures Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Thatcher did massively in 83 - Cameron is the first since.Sia.
Guest MattP Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Final thoughts on the election as I'm off out for some celebrating, a blue clean sweep with a win over Southampton would round off a fantastic week. David Cameron take a bow - never been your biggest fan but you've done something I actually doubted I would ever see again, return the Conservative party to Westminster with a majority and you deserve all the plaudits you'll get for doing so. He has played a pretty coy game really, aided by Sturgeon of course but he still had to get the message out there. Did Sturgeon intentionally want to see Cameron at no 10 as it's a better route to another referendum? Nothing rallies the core Tory vote by continually talking about how you want to lock them out by forming an 'anti-Tory alliance'. Labour's mistakes will be analysed but the failure to rule out any sort of deal with the SNP as early as possible has to be the most crucial error, to have Nicola Sturgeon standing on a stage in front of 12 million people saying 'I will make you Prime Minister' were the words that went through my head on the way to the polling station, I'm certain many others had something similar, I'm sure if he could turn back the clock he would simply have replied with "No you will not, we'll be having absolutely nothing to do with a nationlist government that only has the interests of Scotland at heart" - He might have even saved a few of his MP's up north as well. Not sure how much effect it actually had but I'm convinced wheeling out rich celebrities ala Steve Coogan to tell you how 'moral' is it to vote Labour helped them either, as for Russell Brand, well. The vast majority of people think he is a total arse, future Prime Ministers shouldn't hang around with total arses days before an election. Most pressing concerns might be how many of their voters in the North (and Wales to an extent) are going to UKIP, they'll face serious opposition from them in 2020 and if they continue to pander to minorities if the same way they did last week attending gender segregated rallys etc that's not a problem that's going to go away, any more Rotherham council incidents and they'll probably be punished next time. The decision of whether to try and go back to broader central policy base aka Blair or whether they try to go with the same but with a tougher more competent leader could make or break the party, Scotland could be a lost cause now and if it is I'm struggling to see another Labour majority for a long long time. Farage - shame he lost for me as a party who gets that sort of vote should have it's leader in the house, looking at the voting collapse of Labour in Thurrock, Rochester and South Thanet with the steady Tory vote in each of them it looks like Alf's prediction was spot on and a lot of Labour voters have actually decided to vote Tory to keep the Kippers out, very noble of them but you have to wonder if they would have done that had though the Tories had any chance of a majority let alone one as slim as what they've managed to get. Even more as they probably could have won Thurrock. I feel for the Liberals, I don't agree with the politics of people like Simon Hughes and Danny Alexander but I know how hard they have always worked for their constituents and to have your seat taken away for things that are totally beyond your control must be hard to take, it must be even much gut wrenching for them to watch Clegg carried to safety by the Conservative vote. Big shout out to the people of Morley and Outwood - they went to the polls yesterday probably thinking they could have a Labour led coalition, so they decided to take it into their own hands to make sure Miliband couldn't allow what would have turned out to be the most ghastly chancellor in history to get his hands on the nations credit card. Serious questions need to be asked into Labour HQ how Ed Balls was allowed to still be in contention for this after getting virtually every single economic prediction wrong for the last 5 years. Finally the polling, effectively 37%-31% in favour of the Tories in the end, how did they get it so staggeringly wrong? Has voting Tory now become taboo and people don't want to admit it? Never once in the last three years did the Tories hit that figure in any reputable poll. Exciting time ahead - the EU referendum (from a point of view of those wanting out Farage being sidelined might actually work in favour now given how toxic he is), the inevitable Union questions that are going to be asked and of course various leadership contests. How many prime ministers have increased their majorities going into a second term, I don't think Blair did, did thatcher? First since Thatcher.
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