Babylon Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Stronger than it is today, and ready for a decent Labour government I expect. 10 years of one party is usually enough for the electorate. As I have said many times, our country has got to where it is through a reasonable balance of Tory and Labour governments correcting the worst of each others mistakes to head broadly in the right direction. I won't be too upset to see a strong Labour win in 5 years time, as long as spending is under control by then. Pretty much how I look at it.
Guest MattP Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Ian Duncan Smith will be able to do wonders as well with the welfare bill now with no liberal breathing down his neck.
MiniFox Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Ian Duncan Smith will be able to do wonders as well with the welfare bill now with no liberal breathing down his neck. Your signature might just come true!
ronnup Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Ian Duncan Smith will be able to do wonders as well with the welfare bill now with no liberal breathing down his neck. Very very scary. Glad you got what you wanted mate, I just hope you're right and your boys have got the nation's best interests at heart.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Stronger than it is today, and ready for a decent Labour government I expect. 10 years of one party is usually enough for the electorate. As I have said many times, our country has got to where it is through a reasonable balance of Tory and Labour governments correcting the worst of each others mistakes to head broadly in the right direction. I won't be too upset to see a strong Labour win in 5 years time, as long as spending is under control by then. This.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Don't be silly. Labour have been bleating on about Tories killing the NHS since 1952, since which time we have had a tory govt more than half the time, and the NHS is the best it has ever been. I am so happy. I would have settled for Ed Balls going on its own. This is a ****ing great day! I'm not 'being silly' Jon the Hat. How patronising are you btw? I've seen first hand how austerity measures have affected the NHS recently and I don't want further big cuts to local services. If having another five Tory years means having another five years of the arrogance you've just shown, it's gonna be a long five years.
MiniFox Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Don't be silly. Labour have been bleating on about Tories killing the NHS since 1952, since which time we have had a tory govt more than half the time, and the NHS is the best it has ever been. The Tories have won you can stop lying now.
leicsmac Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Keep up Mac-daddy, Gove is long gone from education. Flock, seriously? That's what happens when you're away for too long and jetlag is fvcking with your brain.
Babylon Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Ian Duncan Smith will be able to do wonders as well with the welfare bill now with no liberal breathing down his neck. Hmmmm we'll see. Unfortunately when they target people exploiting it there will be innocent people caught in the crossfire. Stuff like means testing disability benefits I have no problem with. My Mrs is disabled and gets DLA, she knows others on 50k a year getting £300 a month DLA, to me that's ridiculous. They don't need the extra help, but there are lots of disabled people earning very little because of their disability, with higher living costs because of it who do need it, I don't want to see them suffer.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 May 2015 Author Posted 8 May 2015 The Tories have won you can stop lying now. Really? The NHS has continuously got better is in its delivery since it started. You could argue it is not the caring organisation it once was, but you really cant argue that it isn't delivering more and more in the face of more demand and higher costs.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 May 2015 Author Posted 8 May 2015 I will be very interested to see who takes over Labour, and how they regroup. We need a strong Labour party now the Tories look like having a small majority, especially with the SNP being a complete unknown in Westminster.
Babylon Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 I will be very interested to see who takes over Labour, and how they regroup. We need a strong Labour party now the Tories look like having a small majority, especially with the SNP being a complete unknown in Westminster. Is they had chosen the other brother instead of the one made from playdoh they might have won, still can't believe that decision.
MiniFox Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Really? The NHS has continuously got better is in its delivery since it started. You could argue it is not the caring organisation it once was, but you really cant argue that it isn't delivering more and more in the face of more demand and higher costs. Is it really better than ever? I'm not going to argue, Tories have won, the electorate have spoken, I can only hope they do a good job, of course you're convinced they will, hopefully, you're right.
Merging Cultures Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 There are some really upset people on Facebook! But they post absolute rubbish!! When challenged, they just say 'whatever'! Weak.
Merging Cultures Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Is it really better than ever? I'm not going to argue, Tories have won, the electorate have spoken, I can only hope they do a good job, of course you're convinced they will, hopefully, you're right. Perhaps explain when it was better, assuming the same demands it faces.
Harry - LCFC Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 There are some really upset people on Facebook! But they post absolute rubbish!! When challenged, they just say 'whatever'! Weak. I've had that too. Someone said people's opinions are personal to them and that they shouldn't be criticised. Open discussion, people! We'll never find the right answer if we don't talk about things!
Merging Cultures Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 I've had that too. Someone said people's opinions are personal to them and that they shouldn't be criticised. Open discussion, people! We'll never find the right answer if we don't talk about things! Personal opinion that they post publicly on Facebook... but don't criticise!!
Captain... Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 I do take issue with stuff like this, people seem to act like the rich weren't creaming it in and getting away with shit before the conservatives got in. The often brought up one is how much ftse 100 ceo's are paid and how much it has gone up... that's been sky rocketing since 2004. Screen Shot 2015-05-08 at 08.44.23.png Big businesses have also been avoiding tax since they were asked to pay it. These things suddenly haven't popped up in the last four years. Amazon paid no corporation tax in 2009 under labour. Neither did starbucks. Last year the biggest 100 companies hit it's highest since 2007. So it makes me wonder, what exactly did labour do in 08/09 that start it to decline so much. I'm no expert, but were there tax breaks given and loop holes kept open because of the financial crisis? I don't know, but like I say it's not just a conservative thing. Global markets and e-commerce makes it easier to funnel profits to countries that have lower business tax rates, that has been the main change in tax avoidance for businesses and individuals. Nothing to do with what any political party has done, but it is the failure to react to it that is the problem.
MiniFox Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 Perhaps explain when it was better, assuming the same demands it faces. No. As far as arguing goes, I'm not going to bother, maybe I could find links about why the NHS has got worse, but I won't. Like I said, I just hope the conservatives do good by the country. Hopefully the NHS start hitting targets.
David Guiza Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 I see FPTP has granted another victory for democracy. Greens - Around 1 million votes = 1 seat UKIP - Around 3 million votes = 1 seat SNP - Around 1.5 million votes = 56 seats
Ollie93 Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 I see FPTP has granted another victory for democracy. Greens - Around 1 million votes = 1 seat UKIP - Around 3 million votes = 1 seat SNP - Around 1.5 million votes = 56 seats But I wouldn't want UKIP to get 112 seats though..
Jon the Hat Posted 8 May 2015 Author Posted 8 May 2015 I'm not 'being silly' Jon the Hat. How patronising are you btw? I've seen first hand how austerity measures have affected the NHS recently and I don't want further big cuts to local services. If having another five Tory years means having another five years of the arrogance you've just shown, it's gonna be a long five years. Ok, so why do you fear for the NHS, or more particularly why more under the Tories than anyone else? There are clear problems, to blame the government for everything and suggest it would be better under Labour is just taking the easy route no? I find blanket statements about the NHS to be silly.
Babylon Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 But I wouldn't want UKIP to get 112 seats though.. I'm sure the people who voted for them would though, which is the point.
David Guiza Posted 8 May 2015 Posted 8 May 2015 But I wouldn't want UKIP to get 112 seats though.. Me neither, I would rather they didn't exist in truth. But, clearly they represent what a fair few people in the UK feel, and that's not really being represented with 1 pathetic seat.
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