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Almost? Well is it or isn't it. Make up your mind.

Incidentally, lots of exclamation marks and pretend laughing don't constitute a response. You need words, not punctuation.

Well I don't know what's worse the comments of 'he will get us back up next year, so should stay' or yours of making him a DOF?

Talking about needing words can you explain why on earth you would want him as a Dof?

As I said I wouldn't of employed him any further than last season, but that's my opinion.

He doesn't have the experience or the ability to do his current role at the club, he certainly hasn't got the experience for a role as Dof and who would work under his arrogance?

He's a failure and frankly he seems like he's bordering some sort of personality or breakdown issues. He should of gone long ago.

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I've been one of the most 'Pearson In' advocates around, but it's very difficult to argue with the original post.

We have lost that attacking ruthlessness, and that's the most painful thing. It's a difficult one, though. I can understand how it has happened. We've adapted to accommodate the top sides with some success, and have perhaps been unlucky not to take more points from the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs. The problem is that we haven't been able to marry this more cautious approach with a maintained attacking potency and willingness to press and attack against the 'lesser' teams.

Maybe we'd have been better served keeping the psychological element simple and just continued to attack every game, just as we did last season. We'd have perhaps been battered a few more times, but we'd know exactly how to approach and win games against the teams around us. Thing is, people would be calling for Pearson's head on the basis of tactical naivety if things didn't work out as planned under those tactics.

It pains me to say it, but it has reached the point now where we would stand a greater chance of survival if we freshened things up a bit. I can't stand 5 at the back anymore. We look devoid of ideas and far too cautious. Having said that, I'm buggered if I know who I'd recruit with the task of saving our season.

And that's the thing, remarkable though it would be if we were to stay up, it is actually manageable given the right application.

West Ham

Swansea

Burnley

Newcastle

Sunderland

QPR

All winable games, and 37 points gives us a fighting chance. If we're to achieve that, I think we will need a new manager.

Having said all of this, I do think we would revert to a more attacking style of play if we were to get relegated. Pearson may be stubborn when it comes to personnel, but for right or wrong he has a track record of adjusting his tactics to suit the given situation. Yes, 5 at the back hasn't always worked as well as planned, but it is a tactical change nonetheless, and I do believe Pearson would revert back to a more attacking system next season.

To be honest, it's a bloody hard position that we find ourselves in and I'm glad it isn't me that makes the decisions. All we can do as supporters is hope for the best and get behind the team.

Personally, I've gone from being in a position whereby I would be gutted if Pearson left. Now I'm sort of in a position where I feel that if he did, it might be for the best. I'm not Pearson out, and I'm not Pearson in either.

I think that's the best thing about your post, TTFN. This thread has seen more logical, thought out responses to our situation than any other thread I've seen. You've engaged the fans in a manner that has made people think with their heads rather than making knee-jerk and thoughtless conclusions. Hats off.

To conclude: I hope we win lots of footy matches in the near future and also next season even if we go down. I bloody love LCFC.

Great post buddy

I think 90 per cent of City fans feel like that

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I've been one of the most 'Pearson In' advocates around, but it's very difficult to argue with the original post. 

We have lost that attacking ruthlessness, and that's the most painful thing. It's a difficult one, though. I can understand how it has happened. We've adapted to accommodate the top sides with some success, and have perhaps been unlucky not to take more points from the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs. The problem is that we haven't been able to marry this more cautious approach with a maintained attacking potency and willingness to press and attack against the 'lesser' teams. 

Maybe we'd have been better served keeping the psychological element simple and just continued to attack every game, just as we did last season. We'd have perhaps been battered a few more times, but we'd know exactly how to approach and win games against the teams around us. Thing is, people would be calling for Pearson's head on the basis of tactical naivety if things didn't work out as planned under those tactics. 

It pains me to say it, but it has reached the point now where we would stand a greater chance of survival if we freshened things up a bit. I can't stand 5 at the back anymore. We look devoid of ideas and far too cautious. Having said that, I'm buggered if I know who I'd recruit with the task of saving our season.

And that's the thing, remarkable though it would be if we were to stay up, it is actually manageable given the right application. 

West Ham

Swansea

Burnley

Newcastle

Sunderland

QPR

All winable games, and 37 points gives us a fighting chance. If we're to achieve that, I think we will need a new manager.

Having said all of this, I do think we would revert to a more attacking style of play if we were to get relegated. Pearson may be stubborn when it comes to personnel, but for right or wrong he has a track record of adjusting his tactics to suit the given situation. Yes, 5 at the back hasn't always worked as well as planned, but it is a tactical change nonetheless, and I do believe Pearson would revert back to a more attacking system next season.

To be honest, it's a bloody hard position that we find ourselves in and I'm glad it isn't me that makes the decisions. All we can do as supporters is hope for the best and get behind the team.

Personally, I've gone from being in a position whereby I would be gutted if Pearson left. Now I'm sort of in a position where I feel that if he did, it might be for the best. I'm not Pearson out, and I'm not Pearson in either.

I think that's the best thing about your post, TTFN. This thread has seen more logical, thought out responses to our situation than any other thread I've seen. You've engaged the fans in a manner that has made people think with their heads rather than making knee-jerk and thoughtless conclusions. Hats off.

To conclude: I hope we win lots of footy matches in the near future and also next season even if we go down. I bloody love LCFC.

This sums it up for me. I cried when he was 'sacked' last time, and felt let down by the club. But now, 2 months on, he seems to be losing the plot and with it, all of what made him special. If I back him now, it's only because of what he's done in the past and I'm hoping he could recapture that spark

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I've been one of the most 'Pearson In' advocates around, but it's very difficult to argue with the original post. 

We have lost that attacking ruthlessness, and that's the most painful thing. It's a difficult one, though. I can understand how it has happened. We've adapted to accommodate the top sides with some success, and have perhaps been unlucky not to take more points from the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs. The problem is that we haven't been able to marry this more cautious approach with a maintained attacking potency and willingness to press and attack against the 'lesser' teams. 

Maybe we'd have been better served keeping the psychological element simple and just continued to attack every game, just as we did last season. We'd have perhaps been battered a few more times, but we'd know exactly how to approach and win games against the teams around us. Thing is, people would be calling for Pearson's head on the basis of tactical naivety if things didn't work out as planned under those tactics. 

It pains me to say it, but it has reached the point now where we would stand a greater chance of survival if we freshened things up a bit. I can't stand 5 at the back anymore. We look devoid of ideas and far too cautious. Having said that, I'm buggered if I know who I'd recruit with the task of saving our season.

And that's the thing, remarkable though it would be if we were to stay up, it is actually manageable given the right application. 

West Ham

Swansea

Burnley

Newcastle

Sunderland

QPR

All winable games, and 37 points gives us a fighting chance. If we're to achieve that, I think we will need a new manager.

Having said all of this, I do think we would revert to a more attacking style of play if we were to get relegated. Pearson may be stubborn when it comes to personnel, but for right or wrong he has a track record of adjusting his tactics to suit the given situation. Yes, 5 at the back hasn't always worked as well as planned, but it is a tactical change nonetheless, and I do believe Pearson would revert back to a more attacking system next season.

To be honest, it's a bloody hard position that we find ourselves in and I'm glad it isn't me that makes the decisions. All we can do as supporters is hope for the best and get behind the team.

Personally, I've gone from being in a position whereby I would be gutted if Pearson left. Now I'm sort of in a position where I feel that if he did, it might be for the best. I'm not Pearson out, and I'm not Pearson in either.

I think that's the best thing about your post, TTFN. This thread has seen more logical, thought out responses to our situation than any other thread I've seen. You've engaged the fans in a manner that has made people think with their heads rather than making knee-jerk and thoughtless conclusions. Hats off.

To conclude: I hope we win lots of footy matches in the near future and also next season even if we go down. I bloody love LCFC.

 

I really love this post. I can bring myself to criticise Pearson on here, like most others, but I'm uncomfortable with being labelled Pearson-Out because I have so much respect for what he's done. I keep my views quiet on match day. I'd go a little further and say I would feel great relief if he were to go now, a sort of 'the future begins here' feeling. I don't see we have any chance of survival this year with him in charge, and that chance would be incredibly slim even with a fresh approach from a manager who could settle the side. But I'd like to see someone in charge who not only represents a good chance of promotion (I'm not sure how good that chance is under Pearson, based on what I've seen this year) but also of taking the club further than that. And, of course, any competent boss who takes over will have a good chance, unless they've also suffered a hopeless relegation in the way Pearson appears to without (as in the case of, say, McCarthy) having offered anything to suggest they can hack it someday at a higher level.

 

I think we'd see the optimism flooding back if we made that sort of change. Optimism which seems unfounded if we're hoping that Pearson will prove to be the man who takes us to, and keeps us in the promised land. 

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Seems more people have swung to seeing him leave than stay now. Either be it now or end of the season. Not seeing many say they would prefer him to stay

If he is going to be sacked, I think it should be now. If he stays, think he should definitely get a crack at the Championship

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If he is going to be sacked, I think it should be now. If he stays, think he should definitely get a crack at the Championship

Why?

Seems to me that he's lost the fans and probably the players.

If we had a poor start would you want him sacked?

If that was the scenario then we've wasted the summer transfer window and whatever money has been spent as a new manager may well want a change of players.

If he got us to the playoffs and failed again would you sack him then?

If we got promoted would you let him oversee another chance at the premier after the mess he's made of this season?

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Why?

Seems to me that he's lost the fans and probably the players.

If we had a poor start would you want him sacked?

If that was the scenario then we've wasted the summer transfer window and whatever money has been spent as a new manager may well want a change of players.

If he got us to the playoffs and failed again would you sack him then?

If we got promoted would you let him oversee another chance at the premier after the mess he's made of this season?

Purely based on his history at LCFC - he;s been there and done it before. And yes, if he didn't show signs that he was on top of things again, I'd want him out soon. 

 

If he got us up to the PL again, I'd give him a chance but with less patience than he's had this time. And I'd want some clear direction given beforehand on his plans for the transfer market

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Seems more people have swung to seeing him leave than stay now. Either be it now or end of the season. Not seeing many say they would prefer him to stay

I thinks it's bloody hard now for anyone to try and justify why they would keep him anymore

It's been a disaster of a season and the lack of fight against Hull is just unforgivable

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Well, having had a few hours to collect my thoughts on today and the season as a whole, I am afraid I am going to have to add to the whole sorry Pearson debate with my own views. I'm not sure that this really belongs in any of the other open threads so I've started a new topic.

Let me start by saying that I am a Nigel Pearson fan. And if you have come onto this thread, attracted by the heading, hoping for some hateful, bile-induced rant then you've come to the wrong place.

I think the end of the line has come for Nigel and his staff. Today showed up one of three things - he is either:

1) Totally and utterly incompetent tactically

2) He's gone temporarily (or worse permanently) insane

3) The players no longer want to play for him.

I am coming from a place where I have pretty much worshipped the ground Pearson walked on. Over 2 spells and 5 years, he has twice picked this club up from dark, dark places and raised it to heights barely imaginable at the time of his appointment. He's built young, energetic, hungry teams, with players desperate to play for the shirt. Players who valued their place in the squad, who respected him and played the game with a positive outlook.

This positive outlook has been most notable in his second spell. Whilst the first spell was driven by pragmatism, the second was, until 4 October 2014, characterised by attack, aggression and flair. In the short history of this club between 2004 (our last relegation) and 2014 (our promotion back to the top flight after the longest absence in our history), the moment that really stands out was some time in August 2012 when Pearson and Steve Walsh plucked Anthony Knockaert out of obscurity to become a key figure in our push for promotion. For the first time, Pearson was putting (was able to put?) a genuinely talented, creative force at the centre of our team's push for the top flight. For a few months, Knockaert was a revelation, but more importantly, the spirit in which he played the game, and the devil-may-care attacking focus which came with him, signalled a change in mindset and attitude which spurred the club on to a play-off place in 2013 and a runaway Championship title in 2014.

Fast forward to March 2015 and Knockaert (notwithstanding his personal issues today) is nowhere to be seen. This is not a lament for Knockaert - his limitations, particularly at this level, have long been discussed and will continue to be so. It is a lament for the great times that Pearson has brought us - the drive, the spirit, the energy and the invention of the great side that he built and was fully functioning just six short months ago. But as we lined up today with a 42-year-old goalkeeper, 3 centre backs in their 30s, a 34 year old central midfielder, 5 defenders and our striker on the wing against a pretty turgid Hull side, I am left wondering - what has happened?

Let's make no mistake. This is not the same Nigel Pearson who got us out of League One and into the Championship play-offs with young, hungry players and a smattering of experience. This is not the NIgel Pearson who shipped out dross like Beckford and Danns and replaced them with capable players who looked like they wanted to prove themselves in a Leicester shirt. And it is certainly not the Nigel Pearson whose all-out-attack policy brought us 102 points last season.

Yes, the Premier League is hard, and yes, it requires "horses for courses". But Pearson appears to have completely abandoned the policies that made me (and I presume many others) buy into him as a great long-term manager for this club. Gone are the days of attacking every team we play. Gone are the days, seemingly, of attacking even our weakest opponents. 5 at the back encourages a negative mindset from the start and yet again it has proven to be the case today. The lack of urgency throughout the game is laughable.

I have mentioned it in a couple of threads, but after today's game, we have 0 goals in our last 9 first halfs and 6 in the last 24. Seriously, what is that about? That demonstrates an absolutely criminal lack of ambition. We may not have the best players in the league, but we do have the players to be troubling sides at the wrong (and indeed, as the Manchester United game showed) the right end of the table.

This season has been a disaster and Pearson has to be held accountable. To my mind, there is no doubt that he lost his nerve at half-time in the Burnley game. Up to that point we had carried the relentless positivity and attacking intent from 2013/14 into every game. And then, against a Burnley side missing 4 of their best 5 players, we sat back, invited them onto us and inevitably conceded. Next game we went to Newcastle and played 4-5-1 with the wingers on our full-backs toes against a side with no wins and lost 1-0 to a late-ish goal on the counter attack. And since then it has been more of the same. More defensive play, fewer risks taken and an acceptance that the way for us to progress was to "keep things tight".

The net result of this has been a grand total return of 0 goals from home games against Hull, Palace, Stoke, Sunderland and West Brom. If we'd scored 0 goals in any one of those games it would have been a bit disappointing so to score 0 from the 5 is madness. We have afforded way too much respect to the sides around us all season and we are paying the ultimate price. Meanwhile we seem perfectly capable of playing very well against the "big sides" - oh, as long as we're 2-0 down at the time and have to come out to look for a goal.

And this will be forever the limitation of such negativity. All it takes is a freak own goal (West Brom), 1 genuine moment of class (Stoke) or a set piece (Crystal Palace) to make "keeping it tight" and hopefully pinching a 1-0 win into a 0-1 deficit and 30 minutes of frantic hoofball.

This is just the mindset I am talking about here. We could (and perhaps will) have a whole different thread on how Pearson has wasted very winnable games against Crystal Palace (A), West Brom (H), Aston Villa (A, Cup), Everton (A) and Hull (H) with absolutely insane formations that neither suited our purpose of needing to win, or at least be trying to win, those games, or the players available.

Anyway, this season has been a total disaster. My personal expectations were extremely high - I thought we'd finish 12th or 13th and frankly I have been made to look stupid. On reflection, my expectations were too lofty even for a side coming off the back of a season as good as ours, although it should be noted that no side gaining 100 Championship points has ever come close to being relegated the following season. Danny Finkelstein's usually reliable "Fink Tank" (based off years of statistics) gave us just a 9% chance of being relegated at the start of the season, and for all the wailing about newly promoted sides being "expected to go down" we were actually odds-against being relegated before a ball was kicked in August. Even the most pessimistic Leicester fan must be mortified by effectively being down with 19 points after 28 games and just 11 in the last 23 matches.

But enough about this season. We know it's a disaster and it's finished. There are 2 main reasons to keep Pearson now:

a) Who else would be better?

b) He has experience of getting promoted from the Championship.

Well I'm afraid that, after a lot of soul-searching, I can't even get on board with these any more. Frankly, after 11 points from 23 games and 0 goals at home to Hull, Stoke, Palace, West Brom and Sunderland, we can't really do much worse. What's going to happen, we'll get relegated? So what, we're going down anyway. At least a candidate with the right, positive, forward-thinking mentality might give us some football worth watching between now and May. We've seen 3 home goals in our last 9 games for Christ's sake.

As for "experience of promotion" as I understand it this argument falls into two categories:

1) He knows the squad

2) He knows the division

Well as I mentioned earlier, he doesn't know the squad. The likes of Drinkwater and Vardy (who I did think played well today), so inspirational last season, have been utterly dreadful this season - totally out of their depth and for the most part devoid of self-belief. Do you think that this will come flooding back when we get relegated? Of course it won't, not to mention the fact that they've barely played and will be surely be rusty after basically a year off.

From our Championship-winning side, there is every chance that we'll only be lining up with a battle-scarred Morgan, an ageing Konchesky, James, a broken Drinkwater, a broken Vardy and Nugent, plus a few odds and sods who may or may not be up to the grind of a Championship season. Make no mistake, a rebuilding job will be required next season. The team that Peason so carefully cultivated over 2 years to attack and dominate the Championship has been broken up to accommodate Premier League caution.

As for Pearson's experience of winning promotion, that is obviously invaluable. Or is it? A quick look at the promoted managers over the last three seasons shows Neil Warnock (previously promoted but with a very low success rate), Paul Lambert (first time promotion), Brendan Rodgers (first time promotion), Malky Mackay (first time promotion), Steve Bruce (previously promoted, but not for many years), Ian Holloway (previously promoted but everyone agrees he's a joke), Nigel Pearson (first time promotion), Sean Dyche (first time promotion), Harry Redknapp (previously promoted but scraped up with a very expensive side).

Previous promotions don't seem to suggest that a manager is going to be well-equipped for promotion in the future. In fact, it would appear that actually, it doesn't really make much difference, particularly when you consider that previously promoted managers might be more likely to get plush Championship jobs.

I also don't think the "relegated sides don't stick with their managers often so comparisons to Pearson staying are worthless" comments are really much help in this debate - the fact is that we don't really know either way, but it strikes me as fairly obvious that there is an overwhelmingly negative attitude on display every week at the moment, and I'm not confident that it can be turned around next season without significant change.

And so what if it can? Even if Pearson gets us up next season, we'll need more upheaval then, because surely Pearson has shown that he is not good enough to manage this side in the Premier League.

As it is, I think we're a significantly poorer side today than we were a year ago. The spark has gone. The joie de vivre has gone. And frankly the direction and philosophy of the club, so apparent over the previous 24 months, has gone.

Pearson has done wonders for this club, he really has. In my short time (since around 2004) supporting this club he has been by far and away our best manager, has produced easily our best sides (often on a shoestring) and has given me more great moments than I either care to remember or deserve. But I think it's clear that he has reached the end of the road. We've gone backwards this season and I don't think he knows how to fix it. And worse still, he's not being true to himself or the approach he has instilled into the club, and the approach that we bought into.

I would never, ever abuse, barrack or in any way try to force him out of the club. But to my mind, Nigel Pearson has taken this club as far as he can and the time has come for him to be politely, gratefully and respectfully relieved of his duties.

TL;DR - I am really sad.

A great post, which without exception covers my views in their entirety on Pearson and the last six months.

For all his rambling the countryside, killing wolves, having a family life at home, not caring what anybody thinks etc, it is clear the pressure has got to him - the first showing of that was the Burnley game you quite correctly cite.

Stress can show itself in many forms, and his outburst against Burnley as a club at that time, was completely ridiculous and seemingly out of character up to that point. Pressure does make decision making more difficult, often resulting in the wrong ones being made, and in his profession that's what the job is all about - making decisions.

All he's done in the last six months is make wrong calls, followed by more wrong calls. IMO, his mind has been 'fried' for months and there should be an immediate change for his benefit, and for that of the club. He has nothing more to offer in a positive vein. Standing by him for this long has been a massive mistake. The much called for 'stability ship' has sailed. The is no stability for this club on the meagre rashions that Championship TV money brings - people within the club and some posters on here, should have grasped that much sooner than now.

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Its All over the SWFC forums and in the pubs etc .....that if he's sacked they would snap him up! they have new owners and a 3 year plan... would be disastrous if we don't bounce straight back up and he gets them up surely????

We are not fortune tellers, so we don't know how he will fare anywhere else. Nor should we care. If he has nothing to offer OUR club he should go. I'm of the opinion that he does not have anything at this stage - I think he has mentally 'gone' in terms of his capability to offer anything positive to the club.

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If he is going to be sacked, I think it should be now. If he stays, think he should definitely get a crack at the Championship

Lost faith, as I've mentioned before this season will probably end in a negative note, a fresh will be needed in the summer. Probably the best decision for both parties, i think Pearson needs to spread his wings somewhere else. 

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I'm still Pearson in, I know we have lost attacking impetus, I understand we've been shit the whole season (although not embarressing), I get he told some disabled fans to fúck off and die, which upsets all you girls. I remember wanting him out at the start of last season, I thought there was no way he could get us promoted, he had lost the dressing room at the end of the previous season and only scraped the playoffs by the skin of his teeth. We then went on to have an excellent season, playing football like I've not seen by Leicester before. I think he has turned it around once and he can again. Getting anyone in is a gamble but I would rather gamble on a guy that's already given us success and proven his pedigree.

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Just watched MOTD back and NPs interview at the end leaves me even more bemused.

He firmly places the blame for the result on his players - if they don't respond he's going to make changes.

Perhaps rather than tinker further with selections he should consider how he applies himself to games. He just doesn't accept any criticism personally. The players will eventually turn on him imo.

He'd still leave out a player with premiership quality and experience in Albrighton just cause his mrs tweeted about him going shows how Pearson puts his ego before the good of the team by leaving him out completely !!

Keeps playing his best mates even tho they aren't good enough

Plays stupid formations when it doesn't warrant it

Substitutes far too late or takes off our most expensive player who just needs some help upfront for him to score !

And uses foul and abusive language against some journalists !

Sorry time for him to collect his p45 !!

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I get that a lot of people are still attached to the fact that he got us from a dark place to a very good one, but were back where it's dark. Don't think of it as sacking the man who rescued us from doom and gloom, think of it as tying up a lost cause.

If you were dating a girl who rescued from being a crack head, sat by you through rehab, built you into your real self, gave you great sex but now she has no time for sex, she's become an embarrassment around your friends and family, she's holding you back from your true self and there is no love or chemistry anymore. Would you dump her or stay with her?

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If you were dating a girl who rescued from being a crack head, sat by you through rehab, built you into your real self, gave you great sex but now she has no time for sex, she's become an embarrassment around your friends and family, she's holding you back from your true self and there is no love or chemistry anymore. Would you dump her or stay with her?

 

are we talking full sex or clinton type sex ?   we should have all the information before we make a decsion.  do you have a photo ?

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thats not very nice ben - i was only making a joke. trying to lighten the mood. unless your retort was also a joke. in which case, you're not very good at this.

Indeed it was a joke, what's wrong with a "your mamma" classic. Anyway would you break up with this metaphorical gf or would you be swiping your way through tinder right now?

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Indeed it was a joke, what's wrong with a "your mamma" classic. Anyway would you break up with this metaphorical gf or would you be swiping your way through tinder right now?

 

the grass is always greener but in this case, what we have is looking so brown that im not sure it could be much worse. as far as your gf is concerned - if this were the norwich forum, she probably would be your mother !

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I get that a lot of people are still attached to the fact that he got us from a dark place to a very good one, but were back where it's dark. Don't think of it as sacking the man who rescued us from doom and gloom, think of it as tying up a lost cause.

If you were dating a girl who rescued from being a crack head, sat by you through rehab, built you into your real self, gave you great sex but now she has no time for sex, she's become an embarrassment around your friends and family, she's holding you back from your true self and there is no love or chemistry anymore. Would you dump her or stay with her?

Or hook up with an old flame?

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Lets look at it another way.

 

You're out walking one day when you find a neglected, abandoned, malnourished dog.

(Leicester once relegated to League 1)

 

You feed them, make them love humans again and the humans love the dog. The dog is now in better shape but not top notch .

(Promotion and fans regaining love for Leicester City)

 

You take care of the dog that well, that eventually you it has it's own strength and finds new friends. You decide it no longer loves you like it once did. Dog is in semi decent nick though.

(Pearson leaves Leicester to Hull due to rumors, he felt that no one tried to keep him)

 

The dog plateaus, not a lot happening but then you come home. Maybe declines in health a little after to much fat food.

(The return of Nigel Pearson, after the spending spree of Sven)

 

You put the dog on a diet, trim the fat and get it up to a fighting weight. Wins prizes at Cruffs.

(Nigel ships out the players to comply with FFP, then gains promotion to the Premiership)

 

Now the dog is major A-League due to it's Cruffs win. You're losing the plot though and have become arrogant with the win. More appropriate dog owners are around but you can't let go despite being hated for putting your ego before that of the dogs well being.

(Nigels' current plight)

 

WOULD YOU WANT THE DOG OWNER TO HAND THE DOG OVER TO THE RSPCA OR ANOTHER, BETTER DOG OWNER?!?!?

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for the people whio think we can get out of this by keeping him.

on the one hand you chaps are pointing out how  well he dd last season (which of course he did), but then when somebody brings up any stats of how appaling we have been, and how unlikely we are based on past form to magically transform into a winning side, say the past doesn't count.

make your minds up.

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