Babylon Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 The way you talk it's like you believe the team who finishes 17th will have 11 players capable of playing in the Premier League and the one who finishes 18th will have none. Nice way of summing it up. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxUK Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 The way you talk it's like you believe the team who finishes 17th will have 11 players capable of playing in the Premier League and the one who finishes 18th will have none. You could shove any of our eleven into another team and they'd be good enough to play in the Premier League, squad building for the season is a bit more complex than picking up 11 players who look good enough for the level, it's a combination of loads of things. Good job, it's not so black and white finishing 17th and 18th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingray Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 Chopping and changing never works, whether its managers or players, players need time to bond to play well together (look at Burnley). I don't think a massive re-build is needed if we are to go down, we have a good squad if we are to go down to the championship. Crap. Chopping and changing has worked for Palace, West Brom, Sunderland last two seasons etc etc etc. And works for big teams too : Chelsea 9 managers in 10 years = 12 trophies. (14 in you count Community shield). Whereas good old Arsenal have won one trophy during that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 Crap. Chopping and changing has worked for Palace, West Brom, Sunderland last two seasons etc etc etc. Difference being all three managers were appointed early enough in the season to have a transfer window of their own control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxUK Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 Crap. Chopping and changing has worked for Palace, West Brom, Sunderland last two seasons etc etc etc. And works for big teams too : Chelsea 9 managers in 10 years = 12 trophies. (14 in you count Community shield). Whereas good old Arsenal have won one trophy during that time. You're comparing Chelsea swapping managers, to Leicester? Chelsea could hire a 12 year old as a manager tomorrow and he'd still be capable of winning the Premier League. Sorry but the top teams who change managers are irrelevant, their goals of success are bringing in trophies, not escaping the drop zone in the Premier League. Barcelona and Real Madrid are constantly trying out different managers to get that edge, not because they're falling. As for Sunderland, West Brom, Palace chopping and changing working - no it hasn't. Sunderland have looked worse this year than last year, and last year has looked worse than the season before, they've degressed massively. West Brom haven't had an overhauled of their team at all, their new manager failed to sign Jamie Vardy and Carlton Cole - Palace are the only exception who again, haven't had an overhaul of players + manager, Pardew has just stepped in and ignited their home form. I think you're talking about a managerial change, over the complete squad overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie93 Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 Crap. Chopping and changing has worked for Palace, West Brom, Sunderland last two seasons etc etc etc. And works for big teams too : Chelsea 9 managers in 10 years = 12 trophies. (14 in you count Community shield). Whereas good old Arsenal have won one trophy during that time. Granted a change of manager has worked for Palace & West brom. Sunderland this season is yet to be seen? I don't really think you can compare us to Chelsea? If you get rid of Pearson and bring Mourinho in, great. Lets not forget the money they have spent in that time aswell. Arsenal have never failed to reach the top 4 of the premiership if memory serves me? IMO chopping and changing at lower levels or with lesser teams doesn't work as well because of the calibre of player in the squad. Just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 Fulham Wigan Wolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 Chopping and changing managers works sometimes and doesn't other times. To say doing 1 thing or another will definitely lead to success or failure is idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 Not Pearson, he has had his day in the sun and it has gone spectacularly wrong on every single level of football management. I genuinely think he has lost the plot as well. THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 March 2015 Share Posted 26 March 2015 This is a really basic concept that people need to grasp... they don't all need to be premier league quality. Burnley are a few points away from survival and don't have a squad full of "premier league players". Hull didn't last year either, or Palace. What we are missing from the current group are a couple of quality players that can make the difference. You don't give Spurs and Arsenal a good game twice, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool if all of your players are crap. We're "in it every game" as the pundits keep saying. Very true. It's the simple goals we let in that is frustrating to watch. We could have won at White Hart Lane and that's the sad thing; the first two goals are so soft never mind the penalty. Need to sort out our set pieces, both ends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 Very true. It's the simple goals we let in that is frustrating to watch. We could have won at White Hart Lane and that's the sad thing; the first two goals are so soft never mind the penalty. Need to sort out our set pieces, both ends! It's not been often this season I've come away thinking we're a mile away from being good enough. I often feel like we're very close but just lacking that little bit exta. I think you could add 2 or 3 players to the spine of the current team and we'd do ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie93 Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 It's not been often this season I've come away thinking we're a mile away from being good enough. I often feel like we're very close but just lacking that little bit exta. I think you could add 2 or 3 players to the spine of the current team and we'd do ok. Absolutely. A creative "number 10" and a solid CB/LB and I reckon we'd be amongst it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nettle Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 It's not been often this season I've come away thinking we're a mile away from being good enough. I often feel like we're very close but just lacking that little bit exta. I think you could add 2 or 3 players to the spine of the current team and we'd do ok. And that is why we need a change of manager because if you or I can spot it why can't Nigey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettsj2 Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 And that is why we need a change of manager because if you or I can spot it why can't Nigey?Please dont. You'll just get a 'how do you know he hasnt?' Kind of response.This is all so pointless now. We're going down because of many factors but as we all know, in football it's the manager that is held accountable. Some deserve it and some dont. Given his decisions, conduct and general demeanour this season, I cant see how anyone can say that Pearson doesnt deserve the sack but hey ho. Once we beat Swindon or whoever next year everyone who supports NP can say 'told you we should have kept him'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suffolk fox Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 Please dont. You'll just get a 'how do you know he hasnt?' Kind of response. This is all so pointless now. We're going down because of many factors but as we all know, in football it's the manager that is held accountable. Some deserve it and some dont. Given his decisions, conduct and general demeanour this season, I cant see how anyone can say that Pearson doesnt deserve the sack but hey ho. Once we beat Swindon or whoever next year everyone who supports NP can say 'told you we should have kept him'. This"..............spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie93 Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 I have my opinions as much as the next person and i'll continue to believe until there is a red R next to our name. But for the remaining few games I think we should all just enjoy it whether we go down or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socks Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 I think we are going down and I don't think we will come straight back up next season either.....watch this space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 It's not been often this season I've come away thinking we're a mile away from being good enough. I often feel like we're very close but just lacking that little bit exta. I think you could add 2 or 3 players to the spine of the current team and we'd do ok. Alternatively add a manager who has a bit more tactical nous, at least on who can figure out his best team and formation, just at some point in say the first half of the season before it's too late. Or a manager who isn't going to blow £17m on forwards who don't fit in with the rest of the squad. Or a manager who isn't going to persist with players who clearly aren't good enough while refusing to give other players a chance. Any of these minor improvements and we'd be several points better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 Alternatively add a manager who has a bit more tactical nous, at least on who can figure out his best team and formation, just at some point in say the first half of the season before it's too late. Or a manager who isn't going to blow £17m on forwards who don't fit in with the rest of the squad. Or a manager who isn't going to persist with players who clearly aren't good enough while refusing to give other players a chance. Any of these minor improvements and we'd be several points better off. Perhaps you need to read back through the chain of posts, whist I appreciate this is a thread about next seasons manager. Most of the recent posts had actually been about the squad, their capabilities, how many new players we'd need next season or the season after if we came back up. So everything you've put is a completely different conversation to the one I've been having. As I've already said in other threads, Pearson has fecked up. The recent posts in this thread are nothing to do with Pearson or my thoughts on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burbage Fox Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 It's not been often this season I've come away thinking we're a mile away from being good enough. I often feel like we're very close but just lacking that little bit exta. I think you could add 2 or 3 players to the spine of the current team and we'd do ok. Agree so the question... why the hell didn't we?... Oh I know... we have a arrogant manager in charge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 His goals from open play were well down on the season before, next season he will be 2 years older, there's a reason he didn't get offered a 4 year contract. What? He'll be 30. Think he's got a couple of years before we have to think about age making him worse FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 Agree so the question... why the hell didn't we?... Oh I know... we have a arrogant manager in charge! I don't know, perhaps you need to ask him. Perhaps he thought what we had was good enough, perhaps he thought those we brought in were enough, perhaps we struggled to get the right people. I have no idea. Either way, I don't think he's made enough of what we had anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 What? He'll be 30. Think he's got a couple of years before we have to think about age making him worse FFS. I don't know why but I thought he was older than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 Pearson will be in charge next season, the owners will expect a instant return and Pearson has shown he can win the championship!! I can't see the owners being very generous next season and Pearson won't be given so much time if things go wrong!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss_tony Posted 27 March 2015 Share Posted 27 March 2015 i don't understand the logic of 'give him ten games'. if he fails you can pretty much write the season off. a new manager will only have the jan xfer window to work with. if you want to get a new man in do it as early in the summer as possible. if not, keep nigel and give him the whole season to get the team promoted again so he doesn't have to second guess all the time to keep his job.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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