Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2016 Posted 25 September 2016 To be fair to Ted Cruz, he probably didn't realise just how bad the alternative was when he said he couldn't back Trump. The last few weeks will have changed alot of people's thinking.
Dr The Singh Posted 25 September 2016 Posted 25 September 2016 3 hours ago, MattP said: To be fair to Ted Cruz, he probably didn't realise just how bad the alternative was when he said he couldn't back Trump. The last few weeks will have changed alot of people's thinking. Absolutely, the democrats are a abomination.
leicsmac Posted 25 September 2016 Posted 25 September 2016 4 hours ago, MattP said: To be fair to Ted Cruz, he probably didn't realise just how bad the alternative was when he said he couldn't back Trump. The last few weeks will have changed alot of people's thinking. Given his comments in the Republican debates where he was willing to debate with "any socialist the other side threw up", I'd say he was reasonably aware of the nature of his opposition. He's just come round to the party line at last, that's all. Most Republican losers do, and it's that united, organised front that can get them winning so often.
Guest MattP Posted 26 September 2016 Posted 26 September 2016 15 hours ago, leicsmac said: Given his comments in the Republican debates where he was willing to debate with "any socialist the other side threw up", I'd say he was reasonably aware of the nature of his opposition. He's just come round to the party line at last, that's all. Most Republican losers do, and it's that united, organised front that can get them winning so often. He probably wasn't aware she was a walking corpse and they haven't exactly been winning much lately! I can't wait for the debate tonight though, I don't think I've been more excited about a political clash since I knew Farage was going to tear Clegg to pieces in front of the nation.
leicsmac Posted 26 September 2016 Posted 26 September 2016 Just now, MattP said: He probably wasn't aware she was a walking corpse and they haven't exactly been winning much lately! I can't wait for the debate tonight though, I don't think I've been more excited about a political clash since I knew Farage was going to tear Clegg to pieces in front of the nation. I think it will be rather interesting too, but I don't think it will decide much. Trump supporters will say he won, Hillary supporters will say she won, and it'll be difficult to find an impartial interpretation of what happened anywhere. The division is too entrenched. The lines are already drawn, and it'll be down to who manages to motivate their voters to get out there and do their civic duty the most that wins it in November. Might make for good TV, though.
Guest MattP Posted 26 September 2016 Posted 26 September 2016 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: I think it will be rather interesting too, but I don't think it will decide much. Trump supporters will say he won, Hillary supporters will say she won, and it'll be difficult to find an impartial interpretation of what happened anywhere. The division is too entrenched. The lines are already drawn, and it'll be down to who manages to motivate their voters to get out there and do their civic duty the most that wins it in November. Might make for good TV, though. Oh I meant in the way of good TV, it has the capacity for anything, Trump could put his foot in it to an extent he loses it with just one comment in the time period and Hillary could probably collapse at any point. I'm not expecting enlightened political debate.
Guest MattP Posted 26 September 2016 Posted 26 September 2016 Nate Silver now has this 51-49 to Hillary.
FireFox Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 ... for anyone who watched early on in the debate. I could only stomach watching for the first half. 45 minutes plus stoppage time was enough. It's like watching Man U v Arsenal or something, yeah, they're both big clubs and there is nothing else on... but I hate them both, and the best outcome is 0-0 with them all getting injured. Unfortunately though, even if they both get injured, one of Clinton or Trump is still going to win the title race.
foxy boxing Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 i'd say Hilary just won the debate but she's going to have to keep it going and not give an inch to the trump, i just hope it doesn't take a massive toll on her health which a lot of people find questionable.
Jattdogg Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 For meTrump looked like an absolute tool for 3/4 of that debate. I dont think hillary was amazing but calculated and let trump be trump which doesnt work in his favour. He startd off well and it was just downhill from there. His facial expression, constant interruptions, childish behavior. Typical trump. Whether you like hillary or not i just cant see how anyone would want to be represented by the donald. Dear god im so happy to not live in the usa right now. I think they took it way to easy on hillarys email server scandal and i suspect the next 2 debates is where they will touch on it and trump needs to pound it to the masses.
Darkon84 Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 That smug smile and eye roll that Clinton does all the time....Fvck me that grates me!
Merging Cultures Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 It's just a shame Trump's microphone wasn't very good, otherwise he would have done much better.
RedSoxUK Posted 27 September 2016 Author Posted 27 September 2016 Was a very interesting debate, both brought up very fair points. I don't think their was a clear winner as such but Clinton was definitely on the defensive far too often and her attacks were not in the same league as Trumps. The whole "I'll release my tax returns when you release 30,000 emails" thing was brilliant, those kind of digs which didn't get too much attention thanks to the moderation are what makes TV debates like this great to watch for non-US citizens. I thought Trump's little segment on Chicago and gun crime was utterly fantastic and just about the best understanding of modern times in a run down society filled with black on black crime statistics; he hit hard on that because it's true, and because everyday Americans that live in this fairtytale world that think everything is okay fail to realise how many people lay victim to gun crime. Hillary didn't quite hit home on this topic. She got at him, and made him react egotistically which was a big win for her, Yeah okay she had him on the ropes bringing up comments he made regarding the housing collapse there and he answered 'that was good business', okay thats true - and it's smart, but that doesn't get you voted from the everyday american who has suffered. I find Clinton very devilish, and completely sideswept by Trump's charachter that she forgot to hit hard about what she actually wants to do as president, and what she can offer. Whereas Trump had a clear picture, he spoke polciies, he spoke trade, he spoke economy benefactors, raised very good points about American businesses leaving due to tax which Hilary just couldn't respond to, and he attacked the current goverment very fairly I thought. There's so much more to come from these debates, I hope - the areas Trump's campaign was attacked on seemed ancient, old age hypocracies 'Donald supported the Iraq War' when Clinton bloody voted for it, Obama's passport, climate change etc; trivial - non politics or policies where she really should have questioned them - that screams of Clinton / Democrats using smear and populism to crash Trump as opposed to his actual politics to me. Whereas Clinton never saw any hurt except a very short segment on her emails, I expect Trump and unbiasly the next moderator to get at them both to explain, and disuss which will show America and the world a clearer picture. The irony and hypcocracy of Clinton will come back to bite her, criticising Trump for a slight connection to Putin even though she helped get a deal to sell Uranium to Russia not long after a big cash injection donation from Russia to the Clinton Foundation. The irony of the iraq war stance, Benghazi, the choice of hidden emails. All interesting to watch unfold, I think Hilary may have just pipped this one in all honesty - in terms of winning over fence sitters, but all-round she wasn't very strong, and neither was he. I think Trump had her right where he wants her, and there will be some big blows between them in the upcoming debates.
Guest MattP Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 I fell asleep and missed it so I'll watch it after the Daily Politics. Doesn't seem to have been very interesting, most calling it a slight win for Clinton.
RedSoxUK Posted 27 September 2016 Author Posted 27 September 2016 Just now, MattP said: I fell asleep and missed it so I'll watch it after the Daily Politics. Doesn't seem to have been very interesting, most calling it a slight win for Clinton. You missed a great battle between who can soften lies the best. It's scary, i just can not take Clinton seriously at all as a contender, it baffles me the political background differences between them yet she acts like such an underserved child catapulted to acclaim through name and Trump likewise but though cash.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 was a bit disappointed with Trump, think Clinton narrowly won though. Trump looks a bit nervy, but had his moments
Smudge Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 I watched the whole thing with more than just a spectators interest. To me it was a nothing event, two people duking it out without substance to their agenda. I didn't learn anything new and I suspect nor did anyone else. Trump, who has the vocabulary of a 12 year old and that's an insult to my grandchildren, was blown away by the composed articulation of Clintons oration. But who cares, not the white working class guy in the rust belt. he'd be arguing the same way. All of that is fine if you're an Emperor but not if diplomacy might be needed along the journey. I like what Trump has to say about improving US manufacturing and both are spot on with their intent to repair the infrastructure. However, the same argument of trickle down economics versus tax and spend rears up again and neither one showed a different way forward, maybe there isn't one. But that makes no odds, Trump could advocate the slaying of every third born child and he'd still come out with supporters who would think that was good for the country. I don't think he lost any votes but I doubt he convinced many undecideds. Having said that and watched the US vote George Bush in twice, who knows, it's very possible.
Zobo Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 I watched the whole discussion and all i can say is that i´m very happy that i don´t have to choose one of them. For me they are both unelectable. Trump says thinks that everybody knwos that this never can go like he is "planing" it. (The whole wold should pay for Military help of the US, Mexico should pay the wall,...) I can´t get warm with Hillary, for me she represents everything which is bad in politics and everyone is borred about. She is so greedy for power and will do everything to get in this situation.
Guest MattP Posted 27 September 2016 Posted 27 September 2016 Just watched, incredible, I never thought a man could turn upto something as big as this totally unprepared but he did, the other candidate is like something from the British left ten years ago, just stood spouting platitudes and throwing in an odd "ism" to try and slander the opposition. As others have said, what a shower, both will be hopeless in the top job.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 28 September 2016 Posted 28 September 2016 Pepe now a hate symbol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37493165
Darkon84 Posted 29 September 2016 Posted 29 September 2016 Someone please stop the Earth, I think it's time I got off! What the actual fvck?!
foxy boxing Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Donald pay your taxes, let's see those tax returns
leicsmac Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 12 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: Donald pay your taxes, let's see those tax returns Thing is though, this issue probably won't have much bearing overall. The kind of people who vote for Trump are the kind of people who will congratulate him for "beating the system", regardless of what his returns show. It will however be interesting to see what he quotes as his profits and losses on such paperwork.
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