foxy boxing Posted 23 October 2016 Posted 23 October 2016 At some point trump will have to accept the election result, maybe he will be in his box in the ground when that happens.money should not be able to trump democracy and he should not be a bitter and sore loser but I expect he will be
Webbo Posted 23 October 2016 Posted 23 October 2016 What are people's views on when Al Gore wouldn't accept the election result?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 23 October 2016 Posted 23 October 2016 8 minutes ago, Webbo said: What are people's views on when Al Gore wouldn't accept the election result? Wasn't it decided on a few thousand votes in Florida? With that margin I guess you can start asking questions. I was in short trousers so I don't really know if there was an ongoing suspicion of Bush throughout the campaign, was it a theme?
Jimothy Posted 23 October 2016 Posted 23 October 2016 48 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Wasn't it decided on a few thousand votes in Florida? With that margin I guess you can start asking questions. I was in short trousers so I don't really know if there was an ongoing suspicion of Bush throughout the campaign, was it a theme? Yeah less than 1000 votes in Florida in the end, with the winner of that state winning the whole thing. That election was ridiculously close, Gore actually got more votes across the whole country but still lost, which I think is only time that's ever happened. If this election is that close I'd expect the loser to be asking questions about a potential miscount. It's a bit different to Trump declaring weeks before the polls open that he won't accept the result if he loses because he believes it's rigged.
leicsmac Posted 23 October 2016 Posted 23 October 2016 97% Clinton 96% Stein 42% Johnson 12% Trump Remember my rating for Johnson being a little bit higher four years ago.
sm1 Posted 23 October 2016 Posted 23 October 2016 4 hours ago, Facecloth said: Yeah less than 1000 votes in Florida in the end, with the winner of that state winning the whole thing. That election was ridiculously close, Gore actually got more votes across the whole country but still lost, which I think is only time that's ever happened. If this election is that close I'd expect the loser to be asking questions about a potential miscount. It's a bit different to Trump declaring weeks before the polls open that he won't accept the result if he loses because he believes it's rigged. From memory I think Bush's brother was Governor of Florida at that time too, so it seems even more plausible that it could have been rigged.
Vacamion Posted 24 October 2016 Posted 24 October 2016 Gore was entitled to call the result into question when it depended upon very few votes in one state, which happened to have his opponent's brother as Governor. Gore therefore mounted a legal challenge, through the proper channels, and abided immediately by the judgement, eventually making a full concession and wishing Bush luck. He didn't denigrate the process, call it rigged or rouse his supporters to intimidation at polling places. At no point did he drop hints that gun nuts should take down his opponent, not did he threaten his opponent with jail. So, not the same ballpark, really...
Webbo Posted 24 October 2016 Posted 24 October 2016 There were plenty of people, including Bill Clinton, who implied or openly said it was rigged. I didn't blame Gore for challenging the result because there was so much at stake but Bush won legally under the system that existed and nobody acted appalled then.
leicsmac Posted 24 October 2016 Posted 24 October 2016 I really think drawing much equivalence between that situation and this is a stretch. The only in common is the willingness of a candidate to challenge an election result, pretty much every other factor (especially the probable numbers) is different.
Guest MattP Posted 24 October 2016 Posted 24 October 2016 22 hours ago, Webbo said: What are people's views on when Al Gore wouldn't accept the election result? People always have double standards, Tim Farron tweeted the other day that Donald Trump saying he wouldn't accept the result showed he wasn't fit to lead a country. This is the same Tim Farron who wants a second referendum on membership of the European Union, either it's one giant pisstake or these people are so far up their own arse they don't even realise what they doing.
leicsmac Posted 24 October 2016 Posted 24 October 2016 8 minutes ago, MattP said: People always have double standards, Tim Farron tweeted the other day that Donald Trump saying he wouldn't accept the result showed he wasn't fit to lead a country. This is the same Tim Farron who wants a second referendum on membership of the European Union, either it's one giant pisstake or these people are so far up their own arse they don't even realise what they doing. As above, Gore and here are slightly different situations here for a variety of reasons. Totally on board regarding Farrons hypocrisy in this matter though.
Wymsey Posted 26 October 2016 Posted 26 October 2016 Can I kindly ask why about 100 pages or so have gone?
Webbo Posted 26 October 2016 Posted 26 October 2016 9 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: Can I kindly ask why about 100 pages or so have gone? Are you sure? I'll ask anyway.
Jimothy Posted 26 October 2016 Posted 26 October 2016 You're not thinking of the Eu thread are you wymesy? This one wasn't that long I don't think.
Webbo Posted 26 October 2016 Posted 26 October 2016 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: Are you sure? I'll ask anyway. Mark doesn't know anything about it. It's either some technical hitch or you're mistaken Wymesy.
Wymsey Posted 26 October 2016 Posted 26 October 2016 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: Are you sure? I'll ask anyway. I initially thought, like the other Politics thread, it was over 100 pages. Yes, sorry was the EU one @Facecloth. All these political threads are too much for the brain..
ajthefox Posted 26 October 2016 Posted 26 October 2016 56 minutes ago, Webbo said: Michael Moore comes out for Trump. Well isn't that a steaming great pile of shite packaged in a hollywood-esque box (Not having a go at you for posting, Webbo). It will definitely get Trump a few more votes though, I'll give him that. The first 30 seconds about the car manufacturers was an interesting little note but the argument is riddled with holes. Moore even said himself it doesn't matter if he means what he says, and yet still claims it's a fvck you, a protest vote? Really? Voting for a billionaire liar who was born with a silver ladel in his mouth (the irony of talking about sticking it to the elite whilst panning across a jumbo jet emblazoned with the word Trump on it is brilliant) and is racist and misogynist is a protest vote? Give me strength.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 26 October 2016 Posted 26 October 2016 what the **** was that music all about, this is politics not a peter jackson movie
The Railway Man Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Moore is right though, it would the biggest fcuk you delivered to the establishment we have ever seen, if Trump is elected it's the end of neo-liberalism. It would be a bigger two figure salute to the elite, bankers etc than Brexit was.
davieG Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 11 minutes ago, The Railway Man said: Moore is right though, it would the biggest fcuk you delivered to the establishment we have ever seen, if Trump is elected it's the end of neo-liberalism. It would be a bigger two figure salute to the elite, bankers etc than Brexit was. I'm confused so Trump and the Republicans have nothing to do or any association with the elite, bankers etc?
The Railway Man Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 1 minute ago, davieG said: I'm confused so Trump and the Republicans have nothing to do or any association with the elite, bankers etc? Trump certainly not. If you watched the Paxman documentary on the BBC you'll see bankers, Goldman Sachs etc are just as unpopular at a Trump rally as they are at a Corbyn rally here, he has consistently bashed the banks and wall street for their funding of Clinton and the Democrats.
davieG Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 18 minutes ago, The Railway Man said: Trump certainly not. If you watched the Paxman documentary on the BBC you'll see bankers, Goldman Sachs etc are just as unpopular at a Trump rally as they are at a Corbyn rally here, he has consistently bashed the banks and wall street for their funding of Clinton and the Democrats. Isn't Trump a member of the business elite?
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