Oxfordfox83 Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Don't think he's a million miles off for Ulloa. I don't think he's been a waste of money but I wouldn't go as far to say he was brilliant business. Probably about worth what we paid for him. Mahrez and Vardy for less than £2mil on the other hand is enviable. He's not a million miles off, just 20 odd years out of date. Ulloa was crucial up front and defensively last season-the regular striker for most of the season, and an essential change of style for many opponents. He remained fit, scored goals and contributed elsewhere. He remains our first reserve and will no doubt play a big part in some games this season. So, is £8m good value vs, say, £3.5m for Shearer to Blackburn in 1993 odd? No. £2m for Gazza in 1988? Nope. How about compared with Rickie Lambert for Liverpool, Defoe for Sunderland, Falcao for either, Torres for Chelsea, Keane for Liverpool, Lallana, Balotelli, Carroll, Adebayor for Spurs or City? An absolute steal. Ulloa was a good piece of business-we bought a proven Championship player, paid under the odds for a Prem striker, and turned him into a solid top flight player. The fact we've moved on is no slight on him-we only could move on because he did his job well...
MC Prussian Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 I find it quite funny that people start questioning our signing policy and passing judgment on players when they've hardly seen them play. We're only three months into the new season! All of those players are at the club for a reason - to bolster the squad, to add competition and add depth in case we need to rotate (be it because of injuries or the formation/tactics). Just because they're not featuring that much now doesn't mean they won't come in handy at a later stage.
Finn Claw II Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 As for profit on players like Vardy, the problem is you have to replace that hole. We might get £20m for him but you've then got to go and find a striker who offers you as much as he did. Not easy to do and certainly not easy 'on the cheap'.
inckley fox Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 there is no logic to this post at all. 5million for akinbyi back then was a big money signing, 5-8million (what we seem to be classing as "big money signings") is peanuts for the premier league nowadays. Leicester have not had a "big money signing" in recent years! imo. Not sure which post you're referring to but if it's mine then - like I say - Akinbiyi cost us 5m, which wasn't one of the top ten fees paid that year. Among those clubs whose expectations were similar to ours, Coventry, Villa, Boro, Spurs, Newcastle all splashed out on greater fees, while we were pretty much matched by Sunderland and Everton, who both spent 4.5m on players that same year. It was a huge signing for Leicester, and a big - but not that big - fee compared with what everyone else was spending. So the logic is that a Leicester fan unaccustomed to seeing 5m spent on one player may well have expected him to be better than Lineker, Worthington and Heskey rolled together, but fans of all those other clubs who routinely spent 5m and more on players would have recognised that 5m definitely doesn't guarantee quality.
Nod.E Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Vardy has scored 10 goals in 10 appearances this season. And he cost £1 million. But 11 goals in 40 appearances is value for money at £8 million. Wowzers Vardy's story is remarkable for a reason. Imagine basing all value on a smart investment that turned out better than anyone could have expected. I appreciate that adds another tier to the thought process but if you put your mind to it, you'll be amazed at what you can achieve. Ulloa was the 9th top scorer last season. In a promoted team no less. Use your head.
Renart Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 @@chili_con_carne this thread has gone really well for you. Keep it up.
lgfualol Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Vardy's story is remarkable for a reason. Imagine basing all value on a smart investment that turned out better than anyone could have expected. I appreciate that adds another tier to the thought process but if you put your mind to it, you'll be amazed at what you can achieve. Ulloa was the 9th top scorer last season. In a promoted team no less. Use your head. In a team that was rock bottom forever that often played 5 at the back as well. Ulloa was a good buy.
hackneyfox Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Not sure Benny is a waste of money just to sit on the bench. Teams in the top 6 probably have 20m players on the bench, it's what you have to spend if you want to get to that level and stay there.
Foxmeister Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 How many points did ulloa actually win us. A lot of his goals came in defeats or draws Strictly speaking 6 points, but he did score a few in games we won by large margins too, Newcastle and QPR at home for instance. Add to that without him we would have been relegated and Kante wouldn't have signed, Mahrez I'm sure would have left and a few others would have followed etc etc.
M0901 Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Ulloa poor... I can't see how you justify him being a poor signing when he was top goalscorer last season, and the fact he's a useful asset against physical defences as well as a penalty or two Okazaki hasn't quite lived up to his potential yet, same can be said about Inler (who's being kept out on form rather than merit I would have thought, as Drinkwater and Kante have been outstanding), but again a bold claim to say they've been poor signings.
Dan Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 How much would Spurs or Liverpool pay for a striker that scores 12 goals in a season? They wouldn't pay anything for someone of Ulloa's age and goals return. He'd have to have hit about 20 before clubs like that would think of going near him, before they can chuck £25mil at him and turn him shit, as they do.
Benguin Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 How many points did ulloa actually win us. A lot of his goals came in defeats or draws Everton - 1 Arsenal - 1 Stoke - 3 Manchester United - 2(on proviso that without his goals it's have been a draw) Newcastle - 3 Swansea -3 (this fixture and newcastle Ulloa wasn't only goal scorer but without him scoring the games may very well have turned out differently) 14 points. Without him we'd have had 27 points and gone down. Ohhh his name is leonardo
Wymsey Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 How much was Schmeichel from Leeds. I have a feeling it was only around £1m, so I'd consider him a success during his time here if this is correct.
Dan Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 As for profit on players like Vardy, the problem is you have to replace that hole. We might get £20m for him but you've then got to go and find a striker who offers you as much as he did. Not easy to do and certainly not easy 'on the cheap'. That's why you use it to improve all areas that need improving. I don't want us to sell Vardy because like you I think we'd struggle to get anyone in who can do his job as well as he does it for us (he's about a lot more than just goals), but if we sold him for £20mil, we could buy a quality striker, probably Dyer permanently, and two defenders as well if we look in the right place. Every single club of our kind of stature should be going for deals like Vardy and Mahrez. They're mugs if they don't.
Dan Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 How much was Schmeichel from Leeds. I have a feeling it was only around £1m, so I'd consider him a success during his time here if this is correct. Good shout to be fair. There's room for improvement with him but we've definitely had our money's worth from him. A good Sven signing.
Fox92 Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Good shout to be fair. There's room for improvement with him but we've definitely had our money's worth from him. A good Sven signing. They were so limited I could count them on one hand! Kasper, Konchesky and Nugent proved to be solid signings for us among the rubbish Sven brought in.
ScouseFox Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 They were so limited I could count them on one hand! Kasper, Konchesky and Nugent proved to be solid signings for us among the rubbish Sven brought in. probably 3 of his cheapest buys too
PaulW Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Vardy has scored 10 goals in 10 appearances this season. And he cost £1 million. But 11 goals in 40 appearances is value for money at £8 million. Wowzers We didn't pay £8mill for just one season's matches. We will get several seasons of service from Ulloa. He contributes more to the team than just goals, + he will have a 'sell on' value when time does come to move him on.
fuchsntf Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Thank god such poor analyse, by minority of posters is well balanced out good arguments by the majority posters.
Freesolo Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Kramaric was a NP signing and if he was still our manager I'm sure he would be featuring more, as it stands Raneri is stuck with him and with the way the squad is playing at the minute its hard to see him getting a game. Its just the way it go's
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 he can't be called a bargian or anything, obviously, but his fee was a necessary evil. we needed someone who would score the goals to keep us up, we had loads of money from going up, we bought him for a bit and he did exactly what we bought him for. "flop"?! no chance. 8 million (or whatever it was) is a very small fee by premier league standards anyway. just big compared to our previous signings because we haven't been in the prem since the money turned mental. Spot on..
Renart Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Thank god such poor analyse, by minority of posters is well balanced out good arguments by the majority posters. I know, I am quite proud of the FoxesTalk posters in this thread. Well reasoned sensible and evidenced posting! Now let's all go and storm that pub in Croyden!
Grewks Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Considering it is still a non-league record.....the £1,000,000 we paid for Vardy is of course great business, but is every much a 'big money' signing as anyone else.
Renart Posted 27 October 2015 Posted 27 October 2015 Considering it is still a non-league record.....the £1,000,000 we paid for Vardy is of course great business, but is every much a 'big money' signing as anyone else. This is actually a great point. To pay £1 mill for a non-league player was a huge thing. It is only hindsight that proves it to have been a good deal. It was a risk. Maybe it was an informed one but still a risk. And it was seen as a risk at the time.
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