LAprice_ Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 It's common knowledge that since the Murdoch ownership of The Sunday Times, they have favoured corporatism over journalism. They are a business. Just imagine how much money they'll make tomorrow when loads of people go out and buy their paper. There may be some substance in the story but The Sunday Times couldn't care less if this was true or not. All they care about is selling papers. The ambiguity in the actual claims should go some way to highlight the uncertainty surrounding this story. Treat everyday like it's April 1st. Be sceptical when reading the news. Question the motif of the writer before believing the story.
SpinneyHillRanger Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Who remembers mahrez goal against spurs and his wild maradonaesque celebration. He was juiced to the gills... He virtually had his jugular vein bulging out from his body... C'mon we all know if you take that stuff it can make you dribble like messi and helps you grow and extra lung. Shit story to sell papers... No evidence provided and paper conveniently covers themselves by saying the clubs didn't know... And then you have some ridiculous tweet... Naming players from spurs who aren't listed by the doc?! Something went wrong there
bart Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Yes can't really believe that anyone in power is taking this seriously. Its one quack doctor trying to impress a client. As Arsenal have said it should have never gone to print in a supposedly "serious" newspaper.
inckley fox Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 It's hard to know, from the articles, what Dr Bonar has actually said to this undercover reporter, or how these different revelations are connected. Firstly he appears to have stated that he's helped athletes to medicate in a way which is illegal in their sports and, in a separate instance, he appears to have given a list of athletes that he's treated, including some footballers. As unpleasant a character as he may seem, and as much as he may be bragging or exaggerating, I heard his denial that he was implicated in doping and it's possible, from what little I know, that (a) the article is entirely accurate and (b) at the same time he's not actually guilty of anything, and many of the sportsmen mentioned aren't guilty either. He may well have prescribed legal substances which happen to be banned in certain sports, but that wouldn't mean he'd acted unprofessionally. Equally, sportsmen may have been advised by clubs not to proceed with them, or may have simply not gone ahead with treatment. And he clearly states that some of his treatments are legitimate in sport, and some aren't, but when he mentions those athletes' names does he explicitly say they were using the 'illicit' treatments as opposed to the accepted ones? I can't see where he does, if he does. A lot isn't clear here. It's not clear whether he's named individuals or just the clubs they're from, and it's not clear whether they're the big names mentioned in the ESPN journalist's tweet (which extended to Spurs, who go unmentioned in the reveal-all article) or, rather, a smaller number of either past or current players from Leicester, Arsenal, Chelsea. Neither is it clear which of the past seven seasons these treatments occurred in. Perhaps there's a fuller interview out there which is damning of the doctor and some footballers, but I can't see it from what I've read. And unless he gives a full confession, which he won't, or UKAD act fast on the allegations, and/or one of the players has taken EPO recently enough for it show up on a blood or urine test (I think we're talking the past 4-7 days), it's hard to know where this story can go. I'm not even all that clear on what is being alleged - that a doctor treats lots of sportsmen, and also provides some treatments which wouldn't be allowed in some sports to some people - is that really an allegation?
FireFox Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Its one quack doctor trying to impress a client.This.
bart Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 It's hard to know, from the articles, what Dr Bonar has actually said to this undercover reporter, or how these different revelations are connected. Firstly he appears to have stated that he's helped athletes to medicate in a way which is illegal in their sports and, in a separate instance, he appears to have given a list of athletes that he's treated, including some footballers. As unpleasant a character as he may seem, and as much as he may be bragging or exaggerating, I heard his denial that he was implicated in doping and it's possible, from what little I know, that (a) the article is entirely accurate and (b) at the same time he's not actually guilty of anything, and many of the sportsmen mentioned aren't guilty either. He may well have prescribed legal substances which happen to be banned in certain sports, but that wouldn't mean he'd acted unprofessionally. Equally, sportsmen may have been advised by clubs not to proceed with them, or may have simply not gone ahead with treatment. And he clearly states that some of his treatments are legitimate in sport, and some aren't, but when he mentions those athletes' names does he explicitly say they were using the 'illicit' treatments as opposed to the accepted ones? I can't see where he does, if he does. A lot isn't clear here. It's not clear whether he's named individuals or just the clubs they're from, and it's not clear whether they're the big names mentioned in the ESPN journalist's tweet (which extended to Spurs, who go unmentioned in the reveal-all article) or, rather, a smaller number of either past or current players from Leicester, Arsenal, Chelsea. Neither is it clear which of the past seven seasons these treatments occurred in. Perhaps there's a fuller interview out there which is damning of the doctor and some footballers, but I can't see it from what I've read. And unless he gives a full confession, which he won't, or UKAD act fast on the allegations, and/or one of the players has taken EPO recently enough for it show up on a blood or urine test (I think we're talking the past 4-7 days), it's hard to know where this story can go. I'm not even all that clear on what is being alleged - that a doctor treats lots of sportsmen, and also provides some treatments which wouldn't be allowed in some sports to some people - is that really an allegation? "the ESPN journalist's tweet" I'm sure this guys account isn't real, he's just made up a list of players. Unfortunately this is what happens when papers print stories irresponsibly.
inckley fox Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 "the ESPN journalist's tweet" I'm sure this guys account isn't real, he's just made up a list of players. Unfortunately this is what happens when papers print stories irresponsibly. Yes, I think I said before that it was spurious. Like you, I find the newspaper's actions very unusual. That they would go so far as to name the clubs these players were from when the doctor's claims are, by their own admission, unsubstantiated. Even if he did treat players from those clubs it's unclear if they're present players, past, from this season or six or seven ago, and even whether these players were supposed to be receiving illicit treatments (the article clearly states that some of the doctor's treatments are perfectly acceptable). There's a real lack of detail, concerning the gravity of the claims. On top of that, the same newspaper which is dragging these clubs' names through the mud is unusually keen to underline that they have no evidence of the clubs having a part in this (something they will definitely have tried to find evidence of), just as they have no evidence of the players having seen Dr Bonar. Seeing as it's impossible to demonstrate their guilt unless they have a test this week (and they will have been tested recently too), and have taken EPO in the past 4-7 days, it seems like an extraordinary thing to encourage speculation on their guilt. It's a big assumption that all of his clients are cheats, a bigger assumption that any of our current staff are involved, and practically unthinkable that the footballing authorities will be able to call players or clubs to account over this even if they are. I'm not saying that I want any cheats we might have to get away with wrongdoing, I'm just saying that the claims are neither explicit nor substantiated / provable enough to make you believe that you have a drug cheat at your club. Until someone tests positive for something, that will remain the case - and, while we're at it, I don't think any of our players have ever tested positive for anything, nor refused to take a test. Which is more than you can say for the Manchester United fans who are getting themselves all excited this morning. There's a problem there, but it's not a Leicester City problem, it's an issue in sport in general.
WigstonWanderer Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Dr Bonar - got to be a joke name like Biggus Dickus
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Dr Bonar - got to be a joke name like Biggus Dickus Some cvnts to have comedy names Who'd have thought that the USA might have a president with an alternate name for flatulence?
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 The present story is journalistic diarrhoea. Lots of shit with very little substance.
Guest Lcfc82 Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Can't be bothered to go through 11 pages but who has attached our clubs name to this so called doping scandal ? Is it the Dr, Sunday times or someone else ?
possiblygeorge Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Doping doesn't always mean performance enhancing, right? Otherwise i think Vardy go under the non-performance enhancing
The Horse's Mouth Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/harley-street-doctor-hid-womans-6986419 seems a lovely fella by all accounts
Carl the Llama Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Video here: https://www.facebook.com/timesandsundaytimes/videos/vb.147384458624178/1247858161910130/?type=2&theater&CMP=Spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-thesundaytimes-_-20160402-_-News-_-415978548-_-Imageandlink&linkId=22999798 So after watching that video it's entirely clear that the Boner man is at the very least an attempted provider of doping solutions. Still no concrete revelations about who he claims to have treated though. On top of that; having had the night to think about it some more I find it hard to believe that a player at a club with the sports-science facilities that we have - supposedly the best in the country - would feel that they don't already have enough of a medical advantage over our immediate competitors, especially when we're talking about players who would have gone into the season looking at teams like Villa and Sunderland as our immediate rivals for league position. Nor indeed do I believe they would even be able to participate in this scheme without the in-house scientists picking up on it so either it's the massive bs everyone's saying (which I hope and sincerely believe to be the case now) or it's more even more insidious than is currently being suggested (and surely given the evidence of this article the ST would have had no problem saying "one unnamed club is believed to actively participate" were they given any excuse to make that vague paper-selling accusation). Edit: And of course as the good Dr. Ozleicester has reminded me we already have our secret performance enhancing program and the last time I checked no urine test can reveal the clandestine use of Rachel Riley threads.
desertfox2 Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Surely his name is not really Dr Bonar, sounds like a character out of Boogie Nights. That aside, what a load of crap this is. How can the Sunday times get away with printing this with absolutely no evidence on any player whatsoever, all that it will do is turn in to a Kangaroo court with everyone suggesting anyone that has had a good season must be on something. The whole point of doping anyway is gaining an unfair advantage so surely this story is trying to do that because it's printed during the run in of one of the greatest shocks ever in sport. Slimy report, by a slimy paper on a slimy Dr, I don't doubt that players in football take certain things to try and gain an edge. A few years ago the England team complained they couldn't sleep as the game was postponed to the following night and they had been given caffeine tablets. The point is, the players are tested a lot and none have failed a doping test otherwise they would have been banned. No rules have been broken, every test has come back clean. This should become a libel suit, the times can't get away with printing this nonsense surely with no basis whatsoever. How can they get away with doing this just to sell papers.
Vacamion Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Whilst some people are suggesting that the Sunday Times has proceeded with this story due to some (Murdoch inspired, sigh) conspiracy, let us remember that they (via David Walsh) rooted out Lance Armstrong's lies and found the solid evidence of dirty money changing hands at FIFA, before exposing doping at a high level in Athletics late last year. This isn't some guy in a tinfoil hat blogging from his basement. If a professional footballer has cheated, whoever he plays (or played) for, let him be exposed and prosecuted.
st albans fox Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 From what I've read, this guy has probably been visited by various footballers with a bad injury that isn't getting better or one which will take a long time to heal but they want it gone quickly. In general footballers want to play. I can well understand them wanting to cheat nature if they are struggling with a long term problem. It must be so frustrating to be working day after day in the gym and yet not getting the problem sorted with the joint or muscle. I can't think of that many players we have had over the years that fit this. Currently, we would have Matty James available if we were doing it now! and I agree Birmingham city seems a bit odd but if there were a long list of clubs, perhaps they thought they needed to pluck one from the obscure end to make it more plausible. this doesn't bother me much but it adds ammunition to those that claim we are doping re our injury record and it could take the gloss of our historic title win in some quarters. As said above, throw enough crap and some sticks.
BlueBoy1 Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 When are we going to come out and deny it as well...Chelsea & Arsenal have.
Webbo Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Rupert Murdoch's trying to stop us winning the league? Really? Even though Chelsea and Arsenal are included in the rumours. Absolutely fvcking ridiculous. Some of you need to get your head out of your arses. There's no plot against us.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 When are we going to come out and deny it as well...Chelsea & Arsenal have. Surely denying it would admit that there is something to actually deny?
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Sky haven't reported it. They publish any old bollocks which says a lot about this BS
Bettsj2 Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 When are we going to come out and deny it as well...Chelsea & Arsenal have. We dont respond to media bullshit. We'll probably just sue them.
Rich Fox Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Rupert Murdoch's trying to stop us winning the league? Really? Even though Chelsea and Arsenal are included in the rumours. Absolutely fvcking ridiculous. Some of you need to get your head out of your arses. There's no plot against us. If they were trying to stitch us up and I'm not saying they are it is exactly hat they would do so it don't look to obvious
Dodgy Bob Posted 3 April 2016 Posted 3 April 2016 Bonar strikes me as a man who knows his career is over after being caught lying to his dying patients. He's doing this for the money. We know for a fact he's willing to tell awful lies so there's every chance this whole thing is a complete fabrication. By putting this on the front page and naming clubs the Sunday Times are doing their credibility no long term favours. Especially not when they put it next to a story about a 'heatwave' when it's about 12C.
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