England vs Wales Match Thread

[Finnegan]

Throwback to when Wales were the best team at the euros

It moves on at a breakneck speed, this crazy world of football. One day you're blazing the trail clear at the top, next you're being ousted by these previously mid table nobodies.

I just got a glimpse of what it's like to be a United fan post Fergie.

[Finnegan]

Don't doubt it one bit.

You should still get through, but you'd of probably won the group if you'd held out yesterday. Got to go for the win and try and pick up a 2nd place team and who knows we've had stranger results than dropping point to Slovakia.

I think we'll beat Russia anyway, to be honest, they're poor. Of course, it's well within us to lose it but I'd be surprised.

If you play like you did in the second half, you'll beat Slovakia but if you play each other like you both played Russia, I can see you dropping points.

But listen, despite all the banter and bravado, I'm just thrilled we're even there and in the conversation.

I'm still coming to terms with the fact we qualified and I'm even more ecstatic it looks like we'll get out the group stages.

[ScouseFox]

@@Finnegan

[The Horse's Mouth]

we'll beat the Slovaks pretty easy, think Russia will edge it against Wales.

[Finnegan]

@@Finnegan

Haha. You enjoy yourself yesterday bud? Sore head this morning?

[ScouseFox]

Haha. You enjoy yourself yesterday bud? Sore head this morning?

 

was a great day. enjoyable game, was a bit confused because wales were pretty rubbish, couldn't work out if you are genuinely rubbish or if you bizarrely gave us way too much respect. as much as i chat on, nobody in this tournament should be scared of us like it seemed you were yesterday. never wanted to kill anyone as much as bale when he hit that free kick. two free kicks my dog could've saved and he thinks he's david beckham. 

 

there was a lone welshman in the pub we were in giving it the biggun at half time, i was 100% sure he was going to get his head caved in, he done a right paul daniels somewhere between the ball falling to sturridge and the celebrations ending. i was going to pretend he was you and abuse him to fu ck, too. shame. 

[purpleronnie]

  I did the same thing holding my neice when Beckham scored against greece to send us through.

 

Edit: Jeez just realised that was 15 years ago.

[Finnegan]

was a great day. enjoyable game, was a bit confused because wales were pretty rubbish, couldn't work out if you are genuinely rubbish or if you bizarrely gave us way too much respect. as much as i chat on, nobody in this tournament should be scared of us like it seemed you were yesterday. never wanted to kill anyone as much as bale when he hit that free kick. two free kicks my dog could've saved and he thinks he's david beckham.

there was a lone welshman in the pub we were in giving it the biggun at half time, i was 100% sure he was going to get his head caved in, he done a right paul daniels somewhere between the ball falling to sturridge and the celebrations ending. i was going to pretend he was you and abuse him to fu ck, too. shame.

Yeah sadly we play like that against everyone, really, we tend to give everyone half decent far too much respect.

The difference between Wales and Leicester, tactically, is that as much as city don't need a lot of possession, we still send Ngolo, Riyad, Vardy and Okazaki bombing up the pitch en masse as soon as we turn the ball over.

We're still too reserved so it usually ends up just being Bale and HRK on their own, which isn't a match winning combo.

I thought you were pretty good in the second half, though, just threw caution to the wind and lumped everyone forward. There were times in the second half where England just weren't letting Wales out, let alone Wales not being willing.

[ScouseFox]

yeah obviously we are better than you and you knew that so had to set up a bit defensively and take any chances you had. worked quite well for a half but there was no way we weren't going to score at some stage, the stats show you made us look like barcelona and we ain't barcelona . 

 

 

would've got a point if you'd brought kingy on imho  

[Tuna]

Wales tactics seem to be to hoof it up to robson kanu and hope he gets fouled for a bale free kick. Thats it!

They'll lose to Russia and go out while we draw 0-0 with Slovakia & win the group.

[Guest Col city fan]

Yeah sadly we play like that against everyone, really, we tend to give everyone half decent far too much respect.

The difference between Wales and Leicester, tactically, is that as much as city don't need a lot of possession, we still send Ngolo, Riyad, Vardy and Okazaki bombing up the pitch en masse as soon as we turn the ball over.

We're still too reserved so it usually ends up just being Bale and HRK on their own, which isn't a match winning combo.

I thought you were pretty good in the second half, though, just threw caution to the wind and lumped everyone forward. There were times in the second half where England just weren't letting Wales out, let alone Wales not being willing.

You didn't give us too much respect. That's bollox. You simply got beat by the better side on the day. You could see Wales were in trouble straight after half time when Woy brought on the two attackers. Nothing to do with respect and all to do with ability. And God knows why anyone plays Joe fookin Ledley over Andy King?

[ScouseFox]

are the groups done on goal difference? or what makes it so that wales are third and not second atm? 

 

like if we beat slovakia and russia beat wales, who finishes bottom? wales?

[StanSP]

are the groups done on goal difference? or what makes it so that wales are third and not second atm? 

 

like if we beat slovakia and russia beat wales, who finishes bottom? wales?

 

should explain it here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Tiebreakers

 

So looks like:

 

head-to-head

goal difference

goals scored

 

there are 9 criteria, but these are interesting (criteria 7-9) :

 

• If only two teams have the same number of points, and they are tied according to criteria 1–6 after having met in the last round of the group stage, their ranking is determined by a penalty shoot-out. (This criterion is not used if more than two teams have the same number of points.)
• Fair play conduct (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card);
• Position in the UEFA national team coefficient ranking system.

[The Doctor]

 

Woy as a Victorian school kid   

[Vlad the Fox]

Woy as a Victorian school kid   

[Aus Fox]

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should explain it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Tiebreakers

So looks like:

head-to-head

goal difference

goals scored

there are 9 criteria, but these are interesting (criteria 7-9) :

• If only two teams have the same number of points, and they are tied according to criteria 1–6 after having met in the last round of the group stage, their ranking is determined by a penalty shoot-out. (This criterion is not used if more than two teams have the same number of points.)
• Fair play conduct (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card);
• Position in the UEFA national team coefficient ranking system.

Aid this the same for separating the best 3rd place teams?

It is possible at the minute that all 3rd place teams finish on 4 points with a zero GD.

I think in this case they should select one player from each team and have a giant game of cupies, two goals and your through.

* is cupies still a thing?

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

You didn't give us too much respect. That's bollox. You simply got beat by the better side on the day. You could see Wales were in trouble straight after half time when Woy brought on the two attackers. Nothing to do with respect and all to do with ability. And God knows why anyone plays Joe fookin Ledley over Andy King?

Bollocks. We did give too much respect and don't know why. We sat too deep all game and didn't press. Not Coleman's finest match tactically.

[FuchingKante]

Bollocks. We did give too much respect and don't know why. We sat too deep all game and didn't press. Not Coleman's finest match tactically.

You didn't have enough quality to compete, simple as that. 

 

None of this "Passion" bollox.

We were the better side.

[The Doctor]

You didn't have enough quality to compete, simple as that. 

 

None of this "Passion" bollox.

We were the better side.

 

You're sort of missing his point - that England were comfortably the better side because Wales set up incorrectly and allowed them to be so.

[ScouseFox]

You're sort of missing his point - that England were comfortably the better side because Wales set up incorrectly and allowed them to be so.

could just as easily argue that they knew we were loads better so set up in a terrified manner.

chicken or the egg etc

[The Doctor]

could just as easily argue that they knew we were loads better so set up in a terrified manner.

chicken or the egg etc

 

Admittedly I've only really paid attention to them when Kings been playing, but haven't they been playing pressing football during qualifying and didn't the other day? If they abandon they style that's got them this far it'd be fair to see they set up wrong.

[filbertway]

To be fair, I saw Wales set up like that at home to Israel, I doubt it surprised anybody the way they played. It very nearly paid off.

[Guest Col city fan]

Wales could have set up in the Christmas pudding formation with Wamsey as the thruppenny bit...they'd have still got beat.

[ScouseFox]

To be fair, I saw Wales set up like that at home to Israel, I doubt it surprised anybody the way they played. It very nearly paid off.

yeah tbf they played for a 0-0 at home to andorra dunno why we even let the jokers in the competition

[stix]

Wales could have set up in the Christmas pudding formation with Wamsey as the thruppenny bit...they'd have still got beat.

Stop being a dick. It's easy to say that after the fact. It was never sewn up. We dominated....yes, Wales were outplayed....yes, but it was 30-odd seconds away from being a VERY different story.

I love my country, regardless of squad selections and tactics, and I'm ecstatic with the end result, but your statement is complete bollox.

Wales could have set up in the Christmas pudding formation with Wamsey as the thruppenny bit...they'd have still got beat.

Stop being a dick. It's easy to say that after the fact. It was never sewn up. We dominated....yes, Wales were outplayed....yes, but it was 30-odd seconds away from being a VERY different story.

I love my country, regardless of squad selections and tactics, and I'm ecstatic with the end result, but your statement is complete bollox.