Next England Manager

[Finnegan]

Talk of us trying to get Coleman to quit the Wales job in the papers this morning

lol lol lol x500000000.

Look, I'm thrilled with where we are but I've said it before, Coleman couldn't replicate this with any other country.

If Cookie is the best England could do, you'd all be better off just quitting football now.

[Guest Col city fan]

No to Gary Neville. Despite certain posters thinking he'll become a great manager....he's failed miserably at Valencia and working under the tit that is Woy.

No also to Howe...just too soon. He'd be eaten alive by the media.

I think Fat Sam is the obvious choice. He don't take any shite from anyone and plays a certain way and sticks with it.

I only hope he wouldn't draft in Kevin Nolan to play midfield.

[AKCJ]

lol lol lol x500000000.

Look, I'm thrilled with where we are but I've said it before, Coleman couldn't replicate this with any other country.

If Cookie is the best England could do, you'd all be better off just quitting football now.

 

Agreed.

 

The perfect storm at Wales.

 

It's like those suggesting Danny Simpson should be in the England squad. He works in our set up.

[Finnegan]

Agreed.

The perfect storm at Wales.

It's like those suggesting Danny Simpson should be in the England squad. He works in our set up.

Well, no, that's a stupid comparison.

Danny Simpson should be in the England squad, as should Albrighton and Drinkwater.

In fact, not the squad, but the eleven.

England's "set up" should mirror that of the Champions, not those who couldn't stop them. You'd still be in if that was the case.

Simpson was the best English right back in the premier league last year by a country mile. You're aware full backs are, first and foremost, supposed to be able to defend, right?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

@@Finnegan

You can't mirror the image of the Champions if you can't replicate one of the key foreign players in that side with a player of your own nationality. Of course if you can point to me a sensible suggestion for the English Kante, I'll happily stand corrected.

Your comments would also suggest Wales should be copying 'The New Saints' style!

[m4DD0gg]

Luis Van Gaal's white army!!

[Dan]

I'm on the Allardyce bandwagon.

[Finnegan]

@@Finnegan

You can't mirror the image of the Champions if you can't replicate one of the key foreign players in that side with a player of your own nationality. Of course if you can point to me a sensible suggestion for the English Kante, I'll happily stand corrected.

Your comments would also suggest Wales should be copying 'The New Saints' style!

Sorry, what?

No team without Ngolo Kante can play a high pressing, counter attacking 442?

[Guest Col city fan]

Well, no, that's a stupid comparison.

Danny Simpson should be in the England squad, as should Albrighton and Drinkwater.

In fact, not the squad, but the eleven.

England's "set up" should mirror that of the Champions, not those who couldn't stop them. You'd still be in if that was the case.

Simpson was the best English right back in the premier league last year by a country mile. You're aware full backs are, first and foremost, supposed to be able to defend, right?

Oh no...I have to agree with you again.

Which isn't easy...

Simpson has simply been the best RB in the league.

England should have played defenders as defenders and attackers as attackers. Simpson has been an exemplary defender.

And in not taking Drinkwater, to try to slot Wooney into this position when Drinkwater is a natural centre mid and Rooney isn't...was just a crazy crazy decision by a man I have no idea what the Hell he was thinking. Did he not see that Wooney had been shite for two thirds of the season or that Henderson is basically useless?

Clearly not.

It needs a complete overhaul

If anything comes out of this whole debacle I hope it's two things:

1. You build a playing style around the players you have. You don't try to slot players into some random style.

2. You play in form players NOT reputations or if they play for fookin Spurs or Liverpool

Hodgson should have come on to explain his decisions, not to state he 'didn't know why he was there', pocket 5 mill more quid and skulk off like a thief in the night.

Knob...

[Manwell Pablo]

With a different manager and totally different outlook on playing Drinkwater and possibly Albrighton may have got the nod. I think the vast majority of managers aren't taking Danny Simpson.

 

Both Simpson and Albrighton would of been Dreadfully bad in Roy's setup.

[Dan]

To be fair I think Lionel Messi would've probably struggled under that clown.

[RonnieTodger]

Try someone a bit younger like Eddie Howe or even Klinsmann. I'd be appalled if that candidates list was for next Leicester manager. 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Sorry, what?

No team without Ngolo Kante can play a high pressing, counter attacking 442?

No, but you can't play a style if you lack certain key players to carry it off effectively.

[Finnegan]

No, but you can't play a style if you lack certain key players to carry it off effectively.

As much as I don't like him, Ali is a perfectly competent box to box midfielder that could contribute well in a 442 with Drinkwater, Albrighton and your English winger of choice.

[AKCJ]

Well, no, that's a stupid comparison.

Danny Simpson should be in the England squad, as should Albrighton and Drinkwater.

In fact, not the squad, but the eleven.

England's "set up" should mirror that of the Champions, not those who couldn't stop them. You'd still be in if that was the case.

Simpson was the best English right back in the premier league last year by a country mile. You're aware full backs are, first and foremost, supposed to be able to defend, right?

Keep your hair on.

Simpson is not the best English right back. He performed the best in he system Leicester play but would not have done the same for England.

Hence, Coleman has far out performed Hodgson...but Coleman has the perfect system for the Welsh players.

Coleman is doing well because his methods suit the Welsh players. I don't think they would if he was managing English players.

[AyewJoking]

Id have absolutely no faith in Shearer becoming a success with England.

 

as for the discussion youd had regarding Claudio, hes had a great club career and would certainly be a safer choice in any managerial job for that reason. He has demonstrated he can achieve with players of different levels of ability in any different scenarios.

 

Gary Neville has already proved that you can draw as many lines on a screen as you want and talk a good game, but prove you can walk the walk and then youll get a chance.

 

id like to clear this up.

 

obviously ranieri is a far more experienced and better manager than shearer but anyone can be rubbish, as was shearer at newcastle which just so happens to be his only job in management so far so he cant really defend himself.

 

ranieri was rubbish for greece but of course that cant take away from his experience of managing lots of teams and pulling off the greatest footballing miracle of all time.

 

not saying shearer would be any better than previous england managers, i just feel if someone came in and was allowed to pick in form players and drop big name players the manager arguably wouldnt need to be a master tactician to have a better success rate those before him.

[AyewJoking]

So what makes you think Shearer would be good then, what was it that won you over?

 

its a gamble, he talks as if he would shake things up and wouldnt stand for players who werent putting the required effort in, whoever they were.

 

of course he may turn into just another yes man if he got the job, i dont know.

 

its my opinion

[Donut]

id like to clear this up.

 

obviously ranieri is a far more experienced and better manager than shearer but anyone can be rubbish, as was shearer at newcastle which just so happens to be his only job in management so far so he cant really defend himself.

 

ranieri was rubbish for greece but of course that cant take away from his experience of managing lots of teams and pulling off the greatest footballing miracle of all time.

 

not saying shearer would be any better than previous england managers, i just feel if someone came in and was allowed to pick in form players and drop big name players the manager arguably wouldnt need to be a master tactician to have a better success rate those before him.

 

To an extent i agree, but England need to be getting to the later stages of major tournaments. Semi finals and finals.

 

And when you get to that level, there will be astute managers there who will have a grip of tactics and nullify the threats we have.

 

Picking in form players is an absolute basic, most candidates available would be able to do this.

 

We need someone who can get the players to peak for a month at major tournaments, who can build for the future with their selections but play for the NOW in tournaments with the most in form players available, and bring a PLAN to the squad. A defined way of playing where everyone knows what they are doing.

 

to this extent im surprised successful ex international managers like Scolari arent discussed more

[DJ Barry Hammond]

id like to clear this up.

 

obviously ranieri is a far more experienced and better manager than shearer but anyone can be rubbish, as was shearer at newcastle which just so happens to be his only job in management so far so he cant really defend himself.

 

ranieri was rubbish for greece but of course that cant take away from his experience of managing lots of teams and pulling off the greatest footballing miracle of all time.

 

not saying shearer would be any better than previous england managers, i just feel if someone came in and was allowed to pick in form players and drop big name players the manager arguably wouldnt need to be a master tactician to have a better success rate those before him.

Part of being a master tactician is knowing how best to use the players at your disposal, so to me that would be a leading quality to look for in any candidate (which is why I'm leaning towards Big Sam).

But there is also a clear case for modernising the process of picking players for the squad - far too much is done on visual unqualified 'form' which is not the best tool for putting together 23 players of different clubs and moulding them into a cohesive unit.

I'm sure more can be done with the data now available to drill down into the performance of players and quanitfy their underlying technique - so for example, which players make the most sucessful passes when under pressure, looking not only to the number of goals a striker is scoring, but where and how they're scoring them and how you could compliment that by picking players around them that will give them the required supply line.

There is also an argument to say that the whole England setup still needs work, not just the top end - and I would be keen for England to establish their own academy to train young players, who they could then look to place into clubs once they reach 16/17.

[Guest Col city fan]

Part of being a master tactician is knowing how best to use the players at your disposal, so to me that would be a leading quality to look for in any candidate (which is why I'm leaning towards Big Sam).

But there is also a clear case for modernising the process of picking players for the squad - far too much is done on visual unqualified 'form' which is not the best tool for putting together 23 players of different clubs and moulding them into a cohesive unit.

I'm sure more can be done with the data now available to drill down into the performance of players and quanitfy their underlying technique - so for example, which players make the most sucessful passes when under pressure, looking not only to the number of goals a striker is scoring, but where and how they're scoring them and how you could compliment that by picking players around them that will give them the required supply line.

There is also an argument to say that the whole England setup still needs work, not just the top end - and I would be keen for England to establish their own academy to train young players, who they could then look to place into clubs once they reach 16/17.

Very very good point.

Despite all the mirth and merriment over 'stats' (people piss-taking basically) they are crucial in the modern game IMO.

When so many players look about the same, in terms of their physiques, attributes, fitness levels etc, the efficient way of differentiating them is to look at their playing statistics. To know that Kante won twice as many tackles as the next player, that Mahrez achieved so many assists, that Morgan won so many aerial duals etc.. explains why we were as good as we were. Added to that the formation, which worked around our players and the psychology of teamwork, the recipe for success was set.

There IS an argument to suggest that the England team should be picked from all those English players who have achieved the best set of such statistics over a pre set term. I genuinely wonder whether the owl even considered this in his selection strategy. If he had of done, then surely Wilshere wouldn't have gone (his stats would have been meaningless given he'd hardly played) and I'm pretty sure Drinkwater WOULD have gone and probably Noble?

I doubt Rooney would and I'm pretty sure Sterling wouldn't?

I don't know this for a fact..I'm surmising. But the point remains, a study of the main stats per player, per position, could be a way of justifying selection into a national team.

I'm sure I read that Allardyce is big into this? Surprisingly, for a manager who's been around for years and a bit 'old hat' in some ways, I'm sure I read that he leans heavily on stats and fitness levels when choosing his squad/teams? If so, then good, I say. If the science is done for you, why not use it?

[The Horse's Mouth]

seriously if Hoddle gets it there should be riots in the streets. Disgusting human being who is completely out of touch with today's game. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Chris Coleman wouldn't have a Gary Speed to dine off with us. We're dogshit.

[Hugo Sanchez]

Alan shearer ?

[Dr The Singh]

Kris Kamara

[Donut]

Barry Fry.