Aus Fox Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 The only positives I can take out of this tournament is that we have a young squad with some talented individuals. We now need a manager who can bring these together, motivate them and push us forwards. When the World Cup Qualifying starts in September, I believe anyone who will be passed it by the next World Cup should be out. Thanks Rooney, Cahill, Milner etc. but all should be tapped on the shoulder and moves along swiftly. We need to build partnerships all over the ground who can take us forwards. I like the idea of having a selection committee who sit and pick a squad, with the manager then working on the formation, game team selections and tactics. The big problem is there is no one obvious for this role, Gary Neville has been part of the problem in the last two tournament s and should never be considered. A Martin ONeil type is needed, we have players with ability, we need someone who can talk to them and get the best out of them at major events. We need players willing to take a risk in their career and go and play in Italy, Spain and Germany. This way some players might learn how to unlock tight European defences. We need a leader, I cannot remember the last player for England who could take a game by the scruff of the neck and take the rest of the team with him. One thing painfully obvious this tournament was that we didn't have anyone wiling to do that. Do any of the current squad have the ability of allowed to? Mark Nobel perhaps? The future is not completely bleak, but while we do not have a single world class player, we do have a few young players who have potential. We go to Slovakia in around 70 days time and start again, something drastic has to change.
AyewJoking Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 nothing will change, this latest debacle just lowers the bar for the next yes man. id rather england didnt bother with a national team because the fa are a joke.
Guest kristianity77 Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 England might not have any world class players but its proven time and time again, more so in the past 12 months or so that grit and determination along with someone at the helm who knows what they are doing can count for an awful lot and get you a long way. What England needs is a manager who knows what they are doing, and who isn't a yes man. Sadly, this will never happen as all the FA want is a manager who will say how high when asked to jump. England for me, actually have a bunch of players technically that could do a much better job I feel than a lot of fans give them credit for. They just need someone who will pick them based on form, and not on name. Also, a manager that has a clue what they are doing tactically would help too. If I could pick anyone currently to manage the England team, who surprises me by how much he seems to know and also appears to be one who doesn't take any nonsense, it'd be Slaven Bilic.
linemakers Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 More bad news, the FA's favourite to take over from Woy is Gareth Southgate
Guest Col city fan Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 More bad news, the FA's favourite to take over from Woy is Gareth Southgate The FA will pick ANOTHER yes man..and it'll start all over again. Again
Fox92 Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 We all know the next England manager will probably be Southgate as the FA love their yes men, which is what Hodgson was. FA don't like managers who'll run the show, hence Clough didn't get the job when he should have... For me the FA needs shaking up. To many on that board who were never even involved with football. Premier League needs changing as well, or even just destroying. Far too much money involved, which Pougatch did talk about last night. There needs to be some sort of limit for homegrown players, that's what happens in Germany and Spain isn't it? .. Those countries seem to have emphasis on youth football - players come through together and then stick with each other. The spine of that Germany side hasn't changed since the last tournemount and probably won't change for another six year - compare that to us and we pick a player, then he's dropped, then another two come in, then they never play again... I had big hopes for Alli, Kane etc after they dominate in the Premier League but they didn't perform for England on the big stage... Something is seriously wrong. English football just needs changing, we need to somewhat "copy" Germany and Spain.
Dodgy Bob Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 Copy Spain? They've gone out before us in both the last two tournaments. Copying other teams is exactly what we shouldn't be doing. We need a manager who recognises the strengths of English players and plays to those strengths instead of trying to get them to play systems that they're not used to.
Jimothy Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 Copy Spain? They've gone out before us in both the last two tournaments. Copying other teams is exactly what we shouldn't be doing. We need a manager who recognises the strengths of English players and plays to those strengths instead of trying to get them to play systems that they're not used to. Tbf they've only gone out before us because of the days they've played on, we've not actually got further than them, but you're right we shouldn't be trying to copy other teams we should look at our strengths and play to them.
Vlad the Fox Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 The problem is the fa and the obvious influence they have in the team. Any manager that will go against their will will not be appointed. It's why certain managers have never been offered the job. And how the **** is hodgson the highest paid manager out there? who negotiated his contract? If he had had success and it was hard to get him I could understand but he'd have been panting like a dog after a bone once the fa approached him.
Guest ttfn Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 It's hard to imagine us ever winning another knockout game at the moment. There's such a deep scarring on our footballing psyche it's going to take something incredible to rectify it
Guest Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 At this point I don't even care about winning anything. I'd just like to enjoy watching us play. I'd rather watch a team of no-hopers going out there and having a laugh, than gormless prima-donnas. I don't mind being rubbish, but I'd like to be likable.
Vacamion Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 1. Accept we are a mid-ranking footballing nation and tone down the expectation levels. It was embarrassing last night to hear the speculation about who was going to be selected for us in the quarter final whilst we were 2-1 down against an obviously better team. 2. Select on form. In all positions and at all times, ie prior to tournaments and during them. On form, we select a very different squad. On form, Fraser Forster is in goal. 3. The "best" individuals don't make the best team. Pick a way of playing and assemble a team which serves that way of playing. Has Leicester's season not taught anyone anything? 4. Thanks and bye bye to Rooney. Ditto Cahill. 5. Sorry to say it, but that tournament was probably Jamie Vardy's last chance. At his age, he probably isn't the future of England. 6. I would actually avoid appointing a captain, or if I had to, I'd make it clear that the captain is as droppable as everyone else. 7. Defenders need to be able to defend. Who cares if they can dribble a bit out of defence. Who cares if they can bomb up and down the wing. Just stop the other lot scoring. I think that means that John Stones and last night's "wing backs" have to go back to the drawing board. 8. No point in playing a formation with wingers and selecting only one winger. And even then a winger with zero end product. Strikers tend to make poor wingers, too. Pick guys who are the best at providing assists from the wing. It ain't rocket science. 9. If you are good enough to be selected to play in the midfield of an international team, you should be able to take set pieces. Don't let the big striker do it. He's maybe better off being occupied with the business of scoring goals. 10. Our journalists have a duty to ask more critical questions of the manager. Our journalists are obsessed with big teams, so appeared to acquiesce with the big team biased selection this time. There should have been a storm of protest when Wilshere and Henderson were picked for the squad. Instead the press went along with it.
ScouseFox Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 get a manager with balls, literally not hard. ill do it. the average man in the pub could get us to the last 8 of most tournaments, if not further.
boots60 Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 If England try to copy any teams style of play I can think of only one side worth copying, and I think we all know who that is.
shen Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 2. Select on form. In all positions and at all times, ie prior to tournaments and during them. On form, we select a very different squad. On form, Fraser Forster is in goal. 3. The "best" individuals don't make the best team. Pick a way of playing and assemble a team which serves that way of playing. Has Leicester's season not taught anyone anything? These two are a bit contradictory. The best players would often be those in form, but as you point out, they would not necessarily fit into the team. The only positives I can take out of this tournament is that we have a young squad with some talented individuals. We now need a manager who can bring these together, motivate them and push us forwards. When the World Cup Qualifying starts in September, I believe anyone who will be passed it by the next World Cup should be out. Thanks Rooney, Cahill, Milner etc. but all should be tapped on the shoulder and moves along swiftly. We need to build partnerships all over the ground who can take us forwards. I like the idea of having a selection committee who sit and pick a squad, with the manager then working on the formation, game team selections and tactics. The big problem is there is no one obvious for this role, Gary Neville has been part of the problem in the last two tournament s and should never be considered. A Martin ONeil type is needed, we have players with ability, we need someone who can talk to them and get the best out of them at major events. We need players willing to take a risk in their career and go and play in Italy, Spain and Germany. This way some players might learn how to unlock tight European defences. We need a leader, I cannot remember the last player for England who could take a game by the scruff of the neck and take the rest of the team with him. One thing painfully obvious this tournament was that we didn't have anyone wiling to do that. Do any of the current squad have the ability of allowed to? Mark Nobel perhaps? The future is not completely bleak, but while we do not have a single world class player, we do have a few young players who have potential. We go to Slovakia in around 70 days time and start again, something drastic has to change. I have to disagree with you on several counts. A selection committee? Surely a manager, his assistant and coaches are this selection committee. Would be ridiculous having it otherwise for obvious reasons (I refer you to the above quote). You don't "learn" how to break up "European defenses" by playing in foreign leagues. There is no magic behind the way teams like Albania, Iceland, Italy and even British teams like NI and Wales (!) defend. It's good organisation, balanced team selections, some skill and work ethic that's behind it. There should be plenty of that available in the English leagues as the aforementioned British sides should be perfect examples of. You don't need a single leader/stand-out player. Denmark hasn't had one since the Laudrups, Iceland don't have one, Italy, NI and ROI are further examples of players on more or less equal level. You need 11 players out there who will stand up and be counted, exactly like Iceland and Leicester have shown. No-one shirking responsibility, yet no-one going solo. You are absolutely correct in there being a glimmer of hope with a decent core of young players available (how can there not be? You've got the biggest professional league system in the world and over 50 mil people to choose from). Alli, Dier, Kane, Sterling, Smalling, Forster, Stones, Barkley all have potential to be good at international level too if nursed and coached well. If England try to copy any teams style of play I can think of only one side worth copying, and I think we all know who that is. Iceland?
foxy boxing Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 we always go in to major tournaments under prepared and our players our knackered after a long and tiring season in the most intense league in the world.there is never any plan to how we will play and how we can get the best out of our match winners.we always play players out of position or take too many utility players who are not great at anything.we should find a system and stick to it changing it when it is necessary
Tuna Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 The only way England will progress as a footballing nation is for a root and branch clear out from the top down at the FA. There is too much squad selection based on picking from the established clubs - the 'entitled few' - and we MUST pick a coach who is not your typical generic yes man. I've seen Chris Waddle on telly today calling for Hoddle to be picked, Alan Smith calling for Southgate. These 2 are just part of the problem and miss the point completely about what went wrong. The idea of either of those 2 leading the England squad is horrendous. They'd be worse than Woy! The reason we are out is because the squad was picked, managed and lead badly from start to finish by a tactically inept, misguididly loyal, stubborn useless coach who is stuck in the past and has had no success since the late 90s. He should have been fired after our woeful World Cup in 2014. Unless we pick a pragmatic, common sense manager who does not conform to the yes man style of Roy Hodgson and Steve McClaren who can build a competetive, hard working quality team based on form and confidene we'll be stuck in a world of shit tournament failure for ever more.
filbertway Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 Pick a balanced squad. If you're going to play 4 3 3 pick at least 3 wingers. Probably 4. Townsend, Redmond, Antonio, Albrighton, Zaha, Lingaard, Gray. He's like I was on Footie manager when I was about 14, filling his team with lots of attacking midfielders and strikers and then realising you can only play so many.
Vardinhio Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 Not sure why everyone says Vardy is not the future. Age is irrelevant as long as performance is still there. This is yet another reason why we fail as England seem obsessed with "the future" so they forget the now! Vardy has twice the energy of Ali, it isn't right to drop him just because he's 30+
MrSpaM Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 Leicester just won the league playing 442 counter attacking football Iceland just knocked England out of the euros playing 442 counter attacking football Is anybody starting to notice a pattern here
shen Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 we always go in to major tournaments under prepared and our players our knackered after a long and tiring season in the most intense league in the world.there is never any plan to how we will play and how we can get the best out of our match winners.we always play players out of position or take too many utility players who are not great at anything.we should find a system and stick to it changing it when it is necessary Wrongly prepared rather than underprepared. Your team was one of the first to qualify and had friendlies like all other teams to tune and adjust the team. The highlighted argument is another one of those myths you should not perpetuate. Are Payet, Kanté, Sigurdsson, Giroud, Koscielny, Sagna, Lloris, Özil, Ramsey, Pellè, Lukaku, Alderweireld, Vertonghen knackered?... I could go on and on. Even bloody Hazard who's had his worst ever season in a humiliating campaign with Chelsea was scintillating for his side when they romped Hungary. Your team has severe collective mental problems when entering tournaments, which is probably due to a long list of factors and are never addressed.
Stadt Posted 28 June 2016 Posted 28 June 2016 Leicester just won the league playing 442 counter attacking football Iceland just knocked England out of the euros playing 442 counter attacking football Is anybody starting to notice a pattern here How could we have counter attacked Iceland? They were content to sit deep, what were we supposed to do?
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