Daniel Amartey

[Guest Col city fan]

4 minutes ago, shen said:

Col, you really are something special. You're not being harshly ostracized, you're just not backing down. Babylon is absolutely right. Had Amartey shot and skied it, you would be criticising him for shooting instead of passing it. It wasn't like it was a clear cut chance that fell to a prolific goalscorer. It's astonishing how you're willing to pin the team's failure to score on that incident, or at the very least make a minor blotch on Amartey's performance a huge smudge.

 

Musa, a £17m attacker no less, gets off scot free despite having had the option to a) run past his defender and cross it or b) cut inside and shoot. After all, that's what you'd expect from a pacy attacker even when deployed wide. He does neither and instead plays a ball that Amartey does not (rightly) seem to expect.
 

Then Ulloa, who's in the box, also gets off scot free, because he's "not renowned for turning and finishing". Giroud is not exactly known for his acrobatic skills and scorpion kick goals either, is he? It's Ulloa's bloody job and purpose as a striker to finish moves. He takes a touch backwards instead of forwards where he likely would've had time to get a shot off.

I've seen the 'incident' a dozen times over now and I just do not get what you're so upset with Amartey about.

The harshly ostracised was tongue in cheek Shen. 

I couldn't give a monkeys! I know what I'm watching.

If you read up I'm sure I said that Musa dallied (he did) and that the last person to give a quick pass to there was Ulloa (not renowned for his ability to turn and shoot).

So no, neither get away 'Scot free' from me.

(Are you reading..I'd posted this already?).

That doesn't get away from the fact that the bloody ball was there to be hit. Amartey swerved it. He chose not to take a shot.

[shen]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

The harshly ostracised was tongue in cheek Shen. 

I couldn't give a monkeys! I know what I'm watching.

If you read up I'm sure I said that Musa dallied (he did) and that the last person to give a quick pass to there was Ulloa (not renowned for his ability to turn and shoot).

So no, neither get away 'Scot free' from me.

(Are you reading..I'd posted this already?).

That doesn't get away from the fact that the bloody ball was there to be hit. Amartey swerved it. He chose not to take a shot.

I read what you posted, I do not necessarily think passing it to Ulloa was a mistake.

It's not like you think within a split-second "Oh wait, maybe I shouldn't, it's Ulloa afterall, the one not renowned for turning and shooting." Leo was in a good position, he was onside, he should do a damn sight better than what he did. Where was his anticipation as a striker?

 

Another issue, that you avoid addressing, is that Musa's pass didn't set up Amartey perfectly. He had to take a touch and when the Boro player lunged in, a shot would with all likelihood have been blocked or deflected anyway.

Bottom line, Amartey not shooting then is a debatable mistake, to the point where it might well have been the best decision in the given situation.

 

To me, this is pretty obvious, and it in no way justifies the criticism you are aiming at him specifically.

But I'm guessing most others reading this post apart from you Col will either be smirking or shaking their heads knowing I might as well be arguing with a brick wall. So that's what I'm going to do now, it might turn out to be a more fruitful excercise..

[Itsthejoeker]

We're clearly not very good at ostracising, he's still here spouting shit!

[fleckneymike]

2 minutes ago, Itsthejoeker said:

We're clearly not very good at ostracising, he's still here spouting shit!

Pearson lost his job because he Ostrichised. 

[Guest Col city fan]

15 minutes ago, shen said:

I read what you posted, I do not necessarily think passing it to Ulloa was a mistake.

It's not like you think within a split-second "Oh wait, maybe I shouldn't, it's Ulloa afterall, the one not renowned for turning and shooting." Leo was in a good position, he was onside, he should do a damn sight better than what he did. Where was his anticipation as a striker?

 

Another issue, that you avoid addressing, is that Musa's pass didn't set up Amartey perfectly. He had to take a touch and when the Boro player lunged in, a shot would with all likelihood have been blocked or deflected anyway.

Bottom line, Amartey not shooting then is a debatable mistake, to the point where it might well have been the best decision in the given situation.

 

To me, this is pretty obvious, and it in no way justifies the criticism you are aiming at him specifically.

But I'm guessing most others reading this post apart from you Col will either be smirking or shaking their heads knowing I might as well be arguing with a brick wall. So that's what I'm going to do now, it might turn out to be a more fruitful excercise..

No, I pretty much agree with you mate. Musa didn't set up Amartey perfectly. Agreed. And of course Amartey didn't think 'oh no, Ulloa'. Agreed.

Where I do disagree with you is over Amartey's intention. And of course, neither of us know that. What I saw was a player having a chance to shoot, so late in the game and choosing to not shoot and to lay it off. It was the wrong decision. I'd have been shouting at the tele if it was King, Musa or Uncle Tom Cobley.

Indeed, the match thread suggested people's initial reaction was similar too.

Ie. Pull the fookin trigger man.

Regarding the 'more fruitful exercise', that's your choice. I simply didn't see it like you did. Regarding others smirking...so what? Do you think I don't too?

 

Edited 2 January 2017 by Col city fan

[The Doctor]

10 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

No, I pretty much agree with you mate. Musa didn't set up Amartey perfectly. Agreed. And of course Amartey didn't think 'oh no, Ulloa'. Agreed.

Where I do disagree with you is over Amartey's intention. And of course, neither of us know that. What I saw was a player having a chance to shoot, so late in the game and choosing to not shoot and to lay it off. It was the wrong decision. I'd have been shouting at the tele if it was King, Musa or Uncle Tom Cobley.

Indeed, the match thread suggested people's initial reaction was similar too.

Ie. Pull the fookin trigger man.

Regarding the 'more fruitful exercise', that's your choice. I simply didn't see it like you did. Regarding others smirking...so what? Do you think I don't too?

 

And if he'd pulled the trigger and missed you'd be bemoaning him not sliding ulloa in. The problem in that move was poor decision making and a slow release by musa, and a shocking touch by Ulloa.

[Guest Col city fan]

3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

And if he'd pulled the trigger and missed you'd be bemoaning him not sliding ulloa in. The problem in that move was poor decision making and a slow release by musa, and a shocking touch by Ulloa.

The fact that he didn't shoot and score, when he could have done has me in a bitter/sweet place.

Bitter...I had a tenner on us to win

Sweet...christ, imagine the shite I'd have gotten on here if he had of scored again!

 

The 80 quid would have made up for it though! 

Bloody passing it to Ulloa....fook sake.

[Jimothy]

6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

And if he'd pulled the trigger and missed you'd be bemoaning him not sliding ulloa in. The problem in that move was poor decision making and a slow release by musa, and a shocking touch by Ulloa.

He's gone from critising Amartey for not shooting, and lambasting his whole performance and creative attacking ability on his decision not to take that shot. Also because he chose to play Ulloa in when he's not strong in that position. Then almost immediately in the above post has switched to understanding why he didn't shoot, admitting Musa's could have done more and his pass was shit, and that Ulloa was poor when he received the ball. The mans a joke and becoming a parody of himself.

[The Doctor]

2 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

The fact that he didn't shoot and score, when he could have done has me in a bitter/sweet place.

Bitter...I had a tenner on us to win

Sweet...christ, imagine the shite I'd have gotten on here if he had of scored again!

 

The 80 quid would have made up for it though! 

Bloody passing it to Ulloa....fook sake.

He's a CB turned ball winning midfielder, and ulloa is a striker who everyone lets not forget keeps calling a good finisher. Why would he not lay Leo in? The biggest errors are musas - he should go down the outside and hang one up for ulloa to attack, when he cuts inside he should then curl one for the far post. Takes too many touches and plays a loose ball to Amartey. Amartey then has a loose ball to either hit first time (and wake up some chap in row z) or take a touch with a boro player closing. He's hardly going to get a good shot away through the defence under pressure, so he plays in a striker in space. Amartey made absolutely the right decision.

[lgfualol]

Rumour has it that Amartey will be ditch his bible verse undershirt and replace it with Col's criticisms. 

[Guest Col city fan]

6 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

He's gone from critising Amartey for not shooting, and lambasting his whole performance and creative attacking ability on his decision not to take that shot. Also because he chose to play Ulloa in when he's not strong in that position. Then almost immediately in the above post has switched to understanding why he didn't shoot, admitting Musa's could have done more and his pass was shit, and that Ulloa was poor when he received the ball. The mans a joke and becoming a parody of himself.

Who in the Prem gets a perfect ball laid right on a plate for him to hit?

Pull the trigger son! Have a go, take a bloody chance! Win us the game! 

But no....he laid it off, the attack broke down, game over.

I'm tired of talking about a lack of quality in our midfield. It's there for anyone who wants to look. 

And of course, my tenner drifts away to the bookies once more.

SHOOT LAD, SHOOT!

 

 

[Jimothy]

Just now, Col city fan said:

Who in the Prem gets a perfect ball laid right on a plate for him to hit?

Pull the trigger son! Have a go, take a bloody chance! Win us the game! 

But no....he laid it off, the attack broke down, game over.

I'm tired of talking about a lack of quality in our midfield. It's there for anyone who wants to look. 

And of course, my tenner drifts away to the bookies once more.

SHOOT LAD, SHOOT!

 

 

Quite a few actually.

 

Still doesn't answer your flipping from pulling Amartey apart to understanding why he didn't shoot, all whilst trying to make out that's what you were saying all along. It hilarious tbh. I see you flipped back now, only one post ago you understood why he didn't pull the trigger.

[shen]

35 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

No, I pretty much agree with you mate. Musa didn't set up Amartey perfectly. Agreed. And of course Amartey didn't think 'oh no, Ulloa'. Agreed.

Where I do disagree with you is over Amartey's intention. And of course, neither of us know that. What I saw was a player having a chance to shoot, so late in the game and choosing to not shoot and to lay it off. It was the wrong decision. I'd have been shouting at the tele if it was King, Musa or Uncle Tom Cobley.

Indeed, the match thread suggested people's initial reaction was similar too.

Ie. Pull the fookin trigger man.

Regarding the 'more fruitful exercise', that's your choice. I simply didn't see it like you did. Regarding others smirking...so what? Do you think I don't too?

 

Hindsight is easy, and from watching the passage a dozen or so times, it becomes dubious whether he actually made the wrong decision (or bottled it as you'd say).

I initially expected him to lash at it too, but for the reasons mentioned above, it seems clear why he chose not to. And I completely understand (and condone) his decision not to.

 

But fair enough, despite us seemingly agreeing on the circumstances, you see it another way and you make damn sure that everyone here knows you do. I'm glad you got some enjoyment out of my efforts to sway your mind. You knew full well I'd never succeed, but even worse, so did I. My masochist side comes to the fore with alarming regularity on FT.

[HighPeakFox]

I think the 6ish red shirts in his peripheral vision might have affected his decision not to shoot.

[crazyleicester]

He is showing all the signs of a young lad being inconsistent. Some settle in quickly like that Josh Sims over at Southampton, some are trusted from the get go like Chalobah at Chelsea (on loan at least) and still doesnt convince and then we have an Amartey. Daniel, who likes like John Obi Mikel does unfortunately play like him at times. The good news is out of the blue he puts in a magnificent defensive midfield performance.

 

IMO he isnt ready and hopefully Ndidi or whoever we bring in take some of that pressure off of Amartey as I still think he has many of the raw attributes required to be a top prem midfielder. We need to be patient on a lad who hasnt even played 100 league games in his career but the coin is in the air regarding where he will end up, standard wise.

[MPH]

I actually think that amartey has progressed quite well as the season goes on... I think he'll get even better too...

[Webbo]

Be interesting to see what happens if Ndidi hits the ground running, he could find himself playing at centre half.

[Ric Flair]

15 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Kante was completely different in this respect. He won the ball and drove forward. He didn't win the ball and look to give it to a bloke standing by his side at his earliest opportunity.

You can see this if you watch Amartey (without your Facecloth blinkers on) The ball is a like a hot spud to him. He looks to play it off as soon as he possibly can. Not through some tactic or build-up. Simply because he don't want it.

It's like comparing a Rolls with a Vauxhall Viva

 

 

Amartey definitely wants shot of the ball very quickly, as does King and Mendy. As a defensive formation I can understand it away at the likes of Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and Anfield but The Don didn't give a toss then and now thinks he needs 3 defensive midfielders at the fortress that is The Riverside.

 

Amartey has been our best midfielder though he last half a dozen games. We're crying out for some creativity alongside him as Mahrez has nowhere near the impact he used to do so we've got nothing. 

[Jimothy]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Amartey definitely wants shot of the ball very quickly, as does King and Mendy. As a defensive formation I can understand it away at the likes of Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and Anfield but The Don didn't give a toss then and now thinks he needs 3 defensive midfielders at the fortress that is The Riverside.

 

Amartey has been our best midfielder though he last half a dozen games. We're crying out for some creativity alongside him as Mahrez has nowhere near the impact he used to do so we've got nothing. 

Oh no, Mahrez's lack of creativity is all down to Amartey not being good enough, didn't you know? Amartey makes Mahrez run down blind alleys, take extra touches and put in shit crosses. Well according to Col anyway.

[Ric Flair]

19 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Oh no, Mahrez's lack of creativity is all down to Amartey not being good enough, didn't you know? Amartey makes Mahrez run down blind alleys, take extra touches and put in shit crosses. Well according to Col anyway.

Haha it's because Amartey is jealous that Mahrez's voice is squeekier and softer than his is. 

[Chico1958]

I like Amartey he's growing in confidence and that's making him a better player

 

We'll miss him while he's away.

 

I thought Mendy did alright to, let's see how it goes for the next few games

[Domsdad]

3 hours ago, Webbo said:

Be interesting to see what happens if Ndidi hits the ground running, he could find himself playing at centre half.

And that is where he should be playing. He is not a midfielder, he needs to see what is happening in front of him, he is a rabbit in the headlights in midfield. Opposition players just play around him.

[worthosoriginals]

15 hours ago, lgfualol said:

Rumour has it that Amartey will be ditch his bible verse undershirt and replace it with Col's criticisms. 

New tshirt to say? ..worst player to pull on a city shirt  ever, or since cambiasso.

Get fat Sam in and cattermole in asap.

[blurryface]

 just remembered the Cattermole > Cambiasso thing.

[berniethebolt]

Just made the AFCON team of the tournament.

 

Played centre back for Ghana!!

 

http://www.goal.com/en-za/news/4563/main/2017/02/06/32381032/amartey-atsu-make-afcon-team-of-the-tournament

 

Have our prayers been answered???