Fox92 Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Just now, Babylon said: I don't understand your point, it was quite clear we'd started finding it harder second half of last year as we are now. Despite picking up wins the performances were naff... and it's carried on. I didn't say it just happned this season. I know yeah, I just meant the comments I keep seeing that "teams have figured us out". That happened last year, it hasn't just started this season. (I meant in general as I keep seeing this, it wasn't aimed at you).
HighPeakFox Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 I said elsewhere that we may be better next season. I still think that is likely.
Chico1958 Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 It's our expectations of a Team that made history. Last night was the first time for two years that I didn't stay up to see them play on MOTD We got spoilt, they spoilt us............. we got the cream and we don't understand why we can't have it again
Webbo Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 5 hours ago, Babylon said: I'm no expert, I just consider how I felt / feel about the season and coming into games. It all just felt a little after the lord mayors show. Doesn't mean I or the players don't want to win things and continue to do well. But we were never a Spurs/City etc, who despite not winning the league were clearly where they were through having a good system and some technically very good players capable of playing great football. We were all about a system and the players living on the edge, putting in that extra effort to make up for what they might have been lacking elsewhere... lose that edge a little bit and it can take away quite a bit from a team like us. Chuck in people being more aware of our system and them knowing how to take something away from us, it looked a potentially tough time. That's why pre season I said I wanted us to try and adapt the way we play, it was obvious what was coming. I'm annoyed we've seemingly done nothing about it. I must admit I was having sleepless nights towards the end of last season, now I just can't get excited in the build up to games. It's very strange.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 18 hours ago, Fox92 said: Rubbish. They are supposed to be professionals. If they can't get up for games (as you say) then they shouldn't be here, simple as. Last season, as good as it was, is over. Look back on it, yes, but ultimately go again. The greats don't stop do they - Fergie didn't think one title was enough, Clough didn't think stop at one European Cup - so we need a different mentality then. You do too if you "can't get up for games". Fvck me I'm up for every game. I'm going to another away game in two weeks and I wish it was tomorrow. This is it. There was an air of apathy at the Sunderland game from both a large portion of the fans and virtually all the players. The fans in so many words are "shrugging their shoulders" this season as if to say "we can't complain we won the league last year". Now, at the time I too said "well if we get relegated next season we can't really give them any stick after they have done that". But it you know what, that attitude has not lasted long for me. I'm up for every game and I expect the players in my team to give 100%, and when they don't I am not happy. Anyone not flat out should be dropped - end of story. There is also a bigger issue on the horizon if this malaise is allowed to continue, and that is if you take away 100% effort from these player's games they are ordinary. Then, takeaway the tremendous home atmosphere (which will be affected if we don't see high tempo, aggressive play - as we saw on Sunday) and we could be concerned about reaching the 40pt mark. Let's face it our away form has been as bad as any other side on the league, and it is not always easy to turn that around once the die has been cast. We need fans and players alike to give their all at the moment, and those players not prepared to do that should not be involved. We have some quality squad members desperate to take their places and they should be given their chance for better or worse, for the good of the club. Tough decisions need to be made, and now.
Finnegan Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 23 hours ago, Babylon said: One of the reasons I expected I slow start, I'm still struggling to get up for games myself, so I'm sure players are. The intensity and the buzz of last season was incredible and all consuming, knowing it's unlikely to be matched will take some time to get over. Just me that still thinks we're ten points better than everyone and should be smashing it every year then.
The Railway Man Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 It was always going to happen, to keep up the intensity of last season was just never ever going to happen in a million years, we climbed everest last year and now we are at sat in a warm house with a glass of wine being asked to do it again, of course they can't get up for it. It's clear this season is going to be about the CL (and hopefully the FA Cup)
filbertway Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 1 hour ago, The Railway Man said: It was always going to happen, to keep up the intensity of last season was just never ever going to happen in a million years, we climbed everest last year and now we are at sat in a warm house with a glass of wine being asked to do it again, of course they can't get up for it. It's clear this season is going to be about the CL (and hopefully the FA Cup) Feels more like we were given a free cruise around the world but we're just sitting in the cabin watching Jeremy Kyle every day.
TheLittleBigMan Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 The league is more competitive this season by a country mile. This team won the title and players are getting their first caps. Are we really suggesting they can't get motivated for a game? I don't think that's the case. As for the fans, it's as loud down the kp as ever. I feel just as up for it as last season. I don't get this vibe.
4everfox Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 Simply put, last season was the result of a combination of decent footballers (certainly not world beaters) having the season of their lives simultaneously. The question you should ask yourself is had we not won the title last season and only slightly exceeded expectations would you be happy with a mid table finish this season? I would. Enjoy it whilst it lasts and never forget that you were alive to witness Leicester shock the world. Here's to the next twenty years of being a Leicester fan!
fuchsntf Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 Of all the top teams, Spurs tasted the dizzy heights like us mixing it with the big boys.They fell off but they have a great youngside, who want it, and have a few things to prove over the coming seasons. Arsenal expensive nearly boys so still have that will, and arent aging yet.. Liverpool, only a couple of border aging players, the rest now with Klopp starting to believe. No longer like last year obligation feelings, against others dreams. Leicester,our own '"We know what we are " I believe left a large part of their whole, their soul in putting their all into last year. That intensivity has waned not on purpose more by default.Thats why Claudio needs his new buys playing they will make up some of that lacking intensity, including Kapu, their new adenilin playing for the PL champions is still there that fight and ethos, should be used because like our heroes of last season, the bite will still be within them. We should rotate the newbies into both tournaments starting 11. Mahrez, DD, Vardy, Morgan need those short pauses.Claudio was right to see if the boys of 15/16 could hit the new season running...Its hard to admit it but some do look mentally tired. We see we need 3 midfielders not 2. The loss of pts with these fixtures in the first 7 games are not that alarming. The possesion worries not important...its our performances in 2 away games, that has been more worrying. Soton game, they could of beat us twice last season, we were no worse or better...Hull..1st games never count, but on chances we could of won that game.. The next PL game challenges, and questions..can we still compete with the New Chelsea, the new Spurs, the new Palaces of this season on the field. ITS not their small player changes but their will and fight intensity could well be more than ours. The 1st 2 do have more skilled ball playing players, are they now upto the fight and confident enough to control our pace and doggedness. Football has a strange way to level things out, then have enough for another dig. End of November, we will know..!!! In someways a Wes Morgan slight injury giving him 2wks out could do him and us well. where as both Vardy and Mahrez are actually told you will be rested and rotated...
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 On Monday, October 03, 2016 at 16:03, Trav Le Bleu said: Okay, so just Bilo then. Babs ain't no bloody expert. I'm the expert and Babs knows it.... On this subject. ...I think last season was a freak of nature. Everything aligned: 1. We had hungry players and a brilliant team spirit. 2. The other teams were the most average they'd been for years 3. We had the best box to box midfielders in the country 4. Every time Vardy shot...it went in 5. The KP was rocking..the clappers idea was actually a fantastic one 6. God wanted us to win the league 7. All the neutrals wanted us to win the league. Etc.... For that to happen again, Jesus would have to rock up at the KP and go one better than turning water into wine. It probably won't happen again in my lifetime (I'm 48 this week). I've said for weeks our team looks better suited to doing well in the Champs League. I wouldn't be shocked if we get quite far. In the league...probably about 10th or a bit higher.
HighPeakFox Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 3 minutes ago, Col city fan said: On this subject. ...I think last season was a freak of nature. Everything aligned: 1. We had hungry players and a brilliant team spirit. 2. The other teams were the most average they'd been for years 3. We had the best box to box midfielders in the country 4. Every time Vardy shot...it went in 5. The KP was rocking..the clappers idea was actually a fantastic one 6. God wanted us to win the league 7. All the neutrals wanted us to win the league. Etc.... For that to happen again, Jesus would have to rock up at the KP and go one better than turning water into wine. It probably won't happen again in my lifetime (I'm 48 this week). I've said for weeks our team looks better suited to doing well in the Champs League. I wouldn't be shocked if we get quite far. In the league...probably about 10th or a bit higher. Pleased to report that I agree with this, in essence.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 5 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Pleased to report that I agree with this, in essence. Goodness me.... I'm honoured!
CosbehFox Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 It also highlights how good consecutive winners of a domestic league really are. it's been 2009 since anyone did it. Chelsea fell off a cliff last season. It's hard to mentally prepare yourself post-high as much as tactically evolving.
Countryfox Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: 6. God Buddha wanted us to win the league Don't forget the monks Col ...
Koke Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 If players can't get up for PL games then that's unacceptable. Liverpool away, United away, they couldn't get up for that? This is where CR needs to make tough decisions. Vardy needs to have a hard look at himself. The last thing you could accuse Vardy of was lack of efforts but this season his work rate is questionable. Even Mahrez still works hard for the team. I'm up for every game.
Koke Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 On 03/10/2016 at 15:57, Steve_Walsh5 said: The problem we could end up having then is once we are knocked out the champions league and finish mid table, players like Vardy sat on £100k a week for the next 3 years with no motivation. Mahrez is only 25 so he can be sold. Kante is gone. Vardy is the only one left with huge wages that I worry about. I don't think guys like Drinkwater, Morgan, Huth, Fuchs etc are on astronomical wages like Vardy and Mahrez. If worst comes to worst we can sell Mahrez for a substantial amount but we'd have to still have Vardy on the books.
Corky Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 The issue for me is that we've, as a team or individually, been or had players at probably 80% of their effectiveness of last season. We aren't a good enough team to get by on that or carry three of four players- last season was achieved with virtually every player at their maximum level each week. Don't discount how draining last season was mentally, to put all that work in and the pressure on them to remain leaders was huge and something I doubt they'd really prepared for and now the adjustment is being made. I think we'll be ok, we'll be in the top half but last season happened due to many factors that might not be repeated again.
weller54 Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 2 hours ago, Corky said: The issue for me is that we've, as a team or individually, been or had players at probably 80% of their effectiveness of last season. We aren't a good enough team to get by on that or carry three of four players- last season was achieved with virtually every player at their maximum level each week. Don't discount how draining last season was mentally, to put all that work in and the pressure on them to remain leaders was huge and something I doubt they'd really prepared for and now the adjustment is being made. I think we'll be ok, we'll be in the top half but last season happened due to many factors that might not be repeated again. And we played 3 in midfield.. Kante, Drinkwater and Kante.
ajthefox Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 Don't buy this not being motivated in the slightest. This isn't fifa, we didn't complete the game just because we won the league. We have more to prove now than we ever did last season and in any case, they should be motivated to win in every game they play.
PaulP Posted 5 October 2016 Posted 5 October 2016 On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 at 21:50, 4everfox said: Simply put, last season was the result of a combination of decent footballers (certainly not world beaters) having the season of their lives simultaneously. The question you should ask yourself is had we not won the title last season and only slightly exceeded expectations would you be happy with a mid table finish this season? I would. Enjoy it whilst it lasts and never forget that you were alive to witness Leicester shock the world. Here's to the next twenty years of being a Leicester fan! I'm with this chap, the whole team had the season of their lives. Last season was again to avoid relegation but with a bit more to spare than season before. I'd have happily taken mid table but we only went and won it! I'm happy I was around to see it after supporting for 20 plus years. BUT the team's you expect to be there all had a terrible season so this year was always going to be tough because they couldn't get any worse, would strengthen and wouldn't want to be shown up again, (apart from spurs & arsenal, they do that to themselves). Mid table this year wouldn't be so bad because it would take the focus/pressure away from us. Just remember we are champions of England, something we may never see again...
SheppyFox Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 Well if your theory is true, with football now apparently being a business and all, let's sack them all!
HighPeakFox Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 Dunno if this belongs here but it may be of small interest.......I happen to know someone who works as a cameraman for TV, and he let me know he was filming at Jamie Vardy's house last week. I asked how it had been, and he said Vardy was ok, but that 'there were a lot of people around him'. I'm guessing he's become a product, little wonder he's not been quite the same this season.
Rialto 290352 Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 For whatever reason, the players who did so well last season are not performing as a group and individually. They have been given enough time to improve and its now essential that a side is put on the pitch who are prepared to fight for 90 minutes. Give their all even if they lose. Effort and desire needs to be there. Those who are fringe players need to be given their chance and a few more players brought in during January. Sadly some players who were rewarded with long lucrative contracts seem to be lacking motivation? Players should only be selected on current form not sentiment.
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