Izzy Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 1 hour ago, Wymeswold fox said: The threads on the first page of this forum side are nothing but worry and woes.. People need somewhere to vent their spleen and get it off their chest I guess. Can't see the point of worrying and moaning about it myself as it doesn't get you anywhere. We as supporters can't DO anything about it anyway, so might as well get behind the lads, keep the faith and trust in Claudio and the players to sort it out.
LittlethorpeFox Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 3 hours ago, Algerian said: Problem of the team this season is clearly a cruel technical limitation among the usual starting 11. There are only Mahrez, Fuchs, and Drinkwater is the starting 11 who are ''pure'' football players with enough technical abilities to play short, combined, smart and entertaining football. Only 3 technical players out of 11 is too short to expect winning regularly at the very high level of European Football...EXCEPT when you gather 3 conditions: 1- You play very organized counter attacking football 2- You have a very solid defensive system 3- Your finishing is very efficient As if by magic, these three conditions were here last season, coupled with the bad form of many top english teams, and also the ''element of surprise'' which led LCFC to achieve the most incredible performance in the history of modern football. For this reason, Raniery wanted logically to keep the same formula, but unfortunately, it is no more a winning one due to some reasons: 1- The defensive system is not working well, too many errors (even at set pieces), too shaky: departure of Kanté of course but not only, Morgan-Huth pair is really in a very bad shape. Maybe their age, maybe a lack of recovery between games which are more frequent with CL football. Simpon also is disappointing this season. 2- When your defensive system is weak, you intercept less balls than before, and consequently you have less counter attacking opportunities compared to last season. That's why team is creating fewer chances, and by bad luck, vardy is not as efficient as last season. 3- Given your little counter-attacking situations, naturally the team is trying to score by more constructed attacking football, and the problem is here: LCFC current squad has not the required players to develop attacking football based on smart passing, combinations etc...As said before. Also by bad luck, Mahrez is not at the same form of last season. SOLUTIONS: - Up to January transfer window: strengthening defensive midfield to give more protection to Morgan and Huth, by setting a pure CDM beside them, assisted by 2 central midfielders. That means changing formation to 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 if you want, but with a single attacker. The expected result is to be less exposed behind and intercept more balls to launch quick counter-attacks. - January transfer window: obviously, it is urgently required to bring central defenders, preferably who have a minimum of short passing abilities. Also a creative, technical CM. I would like to see also a more attacking RB with good technical qualities, it would be very interesting to see a man like this along with Mahrez on the right side. Sorry for my bad english. Really good analysis mate and a lot better than them people who think its so simple and put "just start pressing higher and just start having more confidence in front of goal"
foxy boxing Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 maybe do a Pearson and switch to three at the back and when the going gets tough don't call people an ostrich or any zoo animal. we need to get back to defending properly maybe have defensive drills every week so that huth and morgan know how to defend without giving away a penalty or free kick.
adejo92 Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 I personally think there needs to be a complete shake up and back to basics as well as having discipline installed back into the team. The work ethic from some players is not acceptable and the desire to win games appears to have gone. The long diagnal ball can work now and again but we are playing it constantly and it is so easy to defend against. We need another DD but with scoring ability. Maybe a change in formation? something is not working and its defeats to teams like WBA you can come to really regret towards the end of the season. Cant help but thinking recently it is like watching Sunday league. Performances are tired, sloppy and players dont seem bothered. Also, at half time, there is no keeping warm or ball exercises, its just players trying to smash the ball to their 'mate' the other side of the pitch whilst he tries to control it with a fancy touch. Just looks very amateur and sunday league and needs discipline.
Algerian Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 On 11/07/2016 at 14:03, LittlethorpeFox said: Really good analysis mate and a lot better than them people who think its so simple and put "just start pressing higher and just start having more confidence in front of goal" Thank you mate, Glad to discuss tactical aspects of the game.
TeslaFox Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 After seeing Benalouane play last night i would replace Huth. It wasn't the fact that we were playing a so called weaker team in Walsall, but the tackles he made were outstanding and i couldn't fault him at all. would be like having a second captain with Morgan and he sits back to defend rather than having a wander down the other end (except after 85 mins when he was played as a striker with Ulloa). James should be back soon, he played very well but he is lacking in fitness so will be a few more months away yet. Wasilewski played well at RB but i wouldn't replace Simpson tbh. Take out Mahrez for Gray or Albrighton until he learns to pass more and not to take everyone on all the time (same problem as Knockaert in championship). I'd also buy a new RB, CDM and a CB.
TeslaFox Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 22:42, lcfcsnow said: In answer to the question, it's very difficult now we've lost Steve Walsh, for whatever reason we decided against sticking with a winning formula and went with Ranieri's targets, despite no success last season (Inler, Benalouane, and he didn't even want Kante!). Benalouane has been out with a back injury for ages and seeing him play recently, he has shown his class, fantastic out and out defender. I don't think Inler was that bad either tbh, his defensive work rate was great and did well retrieving the ball whenever he played, admittedly going forward was his downfall.
Craig Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 You can't fix a problem with a player who can't play.
TeslaFox Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 23:20, inckley fox said: I think you're being kind. He's made eleven permanent signings. The best was Kante, who Pearson was already trying to sign. I'd give Ranieri huge credit for accepting that the Pearson-Walsh combo were onto something with him, whether or not you'd class him as a 'Ranieri signing'. The only other one who especially enhanced our first team options was Zieler, because he's better cover than Hamer. Other than that it's doubtful that Benalouane, Hernandez, Amartey, Musa, Mendy, Kapustka, Inler, Slimani or Gray have added anything to our line-up. And when you consider these nine players cost a total of £85,000,000 or so, it's terrifying. That's over £20,000,000 more than the combined spending of Sven and Pearson, and in a fifth of the time; and it's over three times more than the entire cost of our regular title-winning line-up. I know that neither Pearson nor Sven won, or would ever have come close to winning the league, and I know that prices have shot up by around 30% this summer, but I think the point still stands about this unfortunate change in direction. There's still time for these players to prove their worth, but there's equally the potential for the past 15 months or so to be looked upon as the best in terms of success, but among the worst in terms of team-building, in our history. Benalouane - Injured and out for months. Hernandez - CB not a RB, would be a good player given time and correct position. Amartey - In my opinion has played quite well this season. Musa - Good but lack of confidence. Mendy - Injured during debut so cant judge. Kaputska - Cant get in due to Albrighton, Mahrez, Gray, Schlupp and Musa but he is 19 so time to improve greatly. Inler - Good defensively, but lacking elsewhere. Slimani - Been thrown into it and not had a great deal of time to get his head around the English game. Gray- Has made some great performances, i think he is still one to watch. In my opinion its the players we rely too heavily on that aren't performing, Morgan, Huth, Mahrez, Schlupp and Vardy.
Wymsey Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 Really want Amartey to come good, but do worry what's he's done so far is at his near potential best.
inckley fox Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 8 hours ago, DreemaOfficial said: Benalouane - Injured and out for months. Hernandez - CB not a RB, would be a good player given time and correct position. Amartey - In my opinion has played quite well this season. Musa - Good but lack of confidence. Mendy - Injured during debut so cant judge. Kaputska - Cant get in due to Albrighton, Mahrez, Gray, Schlupp and Musa but he is 19 so time to improve greatly. Inler - Good defensively, but lacking elsewhere. Slimani - Been thrown into it and not had a great deal of time to get his head around the English game. Gray- Has made some great performances, i think he is still one to watch. In my opinion its the players we rely too heavily on that aren't performing, Morgan, Huth, Mahrez, Schlupp and Vardy. Definitely. But, equally, from the £85,000,000 spent on people who aren't N'Golo Kante, I'd have expected someone's name to be added to that list of players on whom we 'rely heavily'. The fact that your list reads 'Morgan, Huth, Mahrez (Schlupp) and Vardy' is, in itself, the problem. We've done rather better in the past than to spend that sort of money on squad-filler. Oh and, by the way, I agree that Amartey, Gray - possibly even Musa - have shown that there's reason for optimism. But none of them look like an upgrade on last season's options yet.
dylanlegend Posted 9 November 2016 Posted 9 November 2016 3-4-1-2 Kasper Benny Huth Morgan Albrighton Drinkwater Mendy Schlupp / Fuchs Mahrez Vardy Slimani Wing backs being the most important as they need to defend and attack but Albrighton and Schlupp played brilliant the tail end of 14/15 using this formation and that's when we didn't have Kante. Chelsea are also bossing it plying this way, I just think it's a solid formation and I'm surprised other teams don't play it more
SheppyFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 Spend the amount we need to get the players we need in January, whether it's £5m or £35m, no more strikers.
jonthefox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 24 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Inler did leave the club, right ? That's what I thought .
Callabinho Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 Benny has always impressed me when I've seen him play.....so I can't understand why he hasn't been given a chance? As many have said in order to play like we did last season we need to tweek the system. 3 at the back would suit us I think, Playing Hernandez as part of that three would give you the technical ability, and younger legs to cover Morgan and Huth, Fuchs could easily play wing back, as can Albrighton leaving Mahrez in the number 10/free role position. We've got to at least try something different....because it's not working at the moment.
leicesterseddon Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 1. Only use King as a substitute - or as an 'extra' midfielder as part of a 5-man midfield 2. Put Mendy alongside Drinkwater - with Amartey to cover until then 3. Don't play Musa out of position on the left wing 4. Stop just hoofing it to the strikers and the wingers (it isn't working) 5. Don't bother with Schlupp until he seriously bucks his ideas up All this would be a start tbh.
TeslaFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 16 hours ago, inckley fox said: Definitely. But, equally, from the £85,000,000 spent on people who aren't N'Golo Kante, I'd have expected someone's name to be added to that list of players on whom we 'rely heavily'. The fact that your list reads 'Morgan, Huth, Mahrez (Schlupp) and Vardy' is, in itself, the problem. We've done rather better in the past than to spend that sort of money on squad-filler. Oh and, by the way, I agree that Amartey, Gray - possibly even Musa - have shown that there's reason for optimism. But none of them look like an upgrade on last season's options yet. Problem is, i don't think we should rely heavily on anyone, we played as a team last season with 1 or 2 that stood out. I do believe that with losing Walsh and, in my opinion, our best player Kante; It isn't just a quick and easy fix but until we do find a fix, squad fillers are going to be a necessary evil. As the old saying goes, Rome wasn't built in a day. But i must agree with you on most of your points.
TeslaFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 3 hours ago, leicesterseddon said: 1. Only use King as a substitute - or as an 'extra' midfielder as part of a 5-man midfield 2. Put Mendy alongside Drinkwater - with Amartey to cover until then 3. Don't play Musa out of position on the left wing 4. Stop just hoofing it to the strikers and the wingers (it isn't working) 5. Don't bother with Schlupp until he seriously bucks his ideas up All this would be a start tbh. I agree with your first point. We havent seen enough of Mendy to judge if he will be good enough to start above King or Amartey yet. I think Musa was so much better on the wing. Agree with 4 and 5.
TeslaFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 7 hours ago, Callabinho said: Benny has always impressed me when I've seen him play.....so I can't understand why he hasn't been given a chance? As many have said in order to play like we did last season we need to tweek the system. 3 at the back would suit us I think, Playing Hernandez as part of that three would give you the technical ability, and younger legs to cover Morgan and Huth, Fuchs could easily play wing back, as can Albrighton leaving Mahrez in the number 10/free role position. We've got to at least try something different....because it's not working at the moment. I'm assuming by Benny, you mean Benalouane? If so, he has been out with a back injury for months. Saw him play Tuesday with the under 23's; incredible performances, replacement for Huth in my opinion as he struggles with the new rules.
Wymsey Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 Ranieri must tell Musa he should shoot more, when he cuts in on defenders towards goal. Look at Mahrez, he sometimes nearly scores when cutting in - instead of passing sideways - and doesn't get criticised. Musa's goal against Palace shows he has accuracy in him to do so. The CB pairing of Huth and Morgan isn't effective as it has been in periods, and hope Hernandez gets considered more.
Simo86 Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 3 hours ago, leicesterseddon said: 1. Only use King as a substitute - or as an 'extra' midfielder as part of a 5-man midfield 2. Put Mendy alongside Drinkwater - with Amartey to cover until then 3. Don't play Musa out of position on the left wing 4. Stop just hoofing it to the strikers and the wingers (it isn't working) 5. Don't bother with Schlupp until he seriously bucks his ideas up All this would be a start tbh. Musa has said in previous interviews that he prefers to play out wide. I've thought he's played and been much more effective playing out wide too.
Jimmy Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 17 hours ago, dylanlegend said: 3-4-1-2 Kasper Benny Huth Morgan Albrighton Drinkwater Mendy Schlupp / Fuchs Mahrez Vardy Slimani Wing backs being the most important as they need to defend and attack but Albrighton and Schlupp played brilliant the tail end of 14/15 using this formation and that's when we didn't have Kante. Chelsea are also bossing it plying this way, I just think it's a solid formation and I'm surprised other teams don't play it more Benny isn't in the Prem or CL squads so cannot play for the first team
st albans fox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 I'm going to fix it by watching the DVD of last season later on ................ 'we know what we are' and trying to repeat it is just not possible on a mental level. Embrace the champions league adventure until we come up against a top 8 European team in the last 16 or 8 and get behind the guys so they can get to the top half of the PL and possibly a good cup run with some decent draws. I don't feel that the stadium is rocking as much as it was. Maybe it's tough for the crowd as well as the players. claudio must be very frustrated.
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