Barky Posted 26 November 2016 Posted 26 November 2016 4 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said: Agree with the bit about injuries, but Claudio gets no sympathy, and I am a fan of the bloke, and want him to stay, but every manager has injury problems, and at times have to change the way they play, to adapt to the players he is having to use, sadly Claudio isn't, he sticking to what isn't working You could say he's sticking to what isn't working, or you could say he's remaining calm and not looking to make rash wholesale changes to a system that won us the league last year, especially not when key players are unavailable.
Chico1958 Posted 26 November 2016 Posted 26 November 2016 Wales 27-13 South Africa I missed this to And you think you've had a bad day
Monsell1976 Posted 26 November 2016 Posted 26 November 2016 4 minutes ago, Barky said: You could say he's sticking to what isn't working, or you could say he's remaining calm and not looking to make rash wholesale changes to a system that won us the league last year, especially not when key players are unavailable. It's clear to anyone it's making the atmosphere toxic, draining the confidence out of the players, and putting us in a relegation battle. And then pride wise we are a laughing stock, when teams like Middlesbrough come here, and we make them look like Chelsea, if being out played for 90 minutes by teams around us, having no real attacking threat, and appalling defending, is justified by saying he's remaining calm, Claudio please start to panic. He has to get the best out of what he has available, and some of the players might not come back till Jan, Feb, so what should he do, remain calm, carry on as we are, and when they come back, hope it's not to late?
Barky Posted 26 November 2016 Posted 26 November 2016 3 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said: It's clear to anyone it's making the atmosphere toxic, draining the confidence out of the players, and putting us in a relegation battle. And then pride wise we are a laughing stock, when teams like Middlesbrough come here, and we make them look like Chelsea, if being out played for 90 minutes by teams around us, having no real attacking threat, and appalling defending, is justified by saying he's remaining calm, Claudio please start to panic. He has to get the best out of what he has available, and some of the players might not come back till Jan, Feb, so what should he do, remain calm, carry on as we are, and when they come back, hope it's not to late? Well I just disagree with everything you've said
Monsell1976 Posted 26 November 2016 Posted 26 November 2016 2 minutes ago, Barky said: Well I just disagree with everything you've said Not a problem, let's see if his stubbornness, sorry calmness, get us out of this rut. I hope so, as I have said, I like Claudio, but don't like what I'm seeing this season, and frustrated at the lack of change, or improvements.
justfoxes Posted 26 November 2016 Posted 26 November 2016 How can we go from blistering superb performances last year in the prem to a disorderly disorganised bunch of under achievers this year,so Kante left but we still kept 99% of the champion winning side ? But lately it's really shown us how much we rely on certain Players Kasper for one as his replacement Zieler isnt a patch on our super stopper whenever the ball comes near Zieler it makes me feel panicky his confidence in the box is near none his presence and control of the box his communications to the defenders is poor, and his overall performances as the goal showed for Brugge how he shouldn't be getting beat at his near post! "Hurry Back Kasper!!" Then good old Danny Drinkwater out for 3 games and today really showed how much we missed his hustling and bustling in midfield and his defensive duties too, Amartey just isn't a patch on DD let alone a replacement for Kante God only knows if we will replace such a cracking player ? The defence worries me too it seems that Wes Huthy Fuchs and Simpson are not only not communicating between them but also Zieler and also the midfield,were hoofing far too many balls up for Vardy to chase when 9 times out of 10 the ball lands with the opposition but when we have played the ball on the floor to Vardy there has been some superb chances . God knows also where Vards has hidden his scoring boots as he needs to fooking find them soon,and also what's happened to Riyad scorchingbthe place up last season bitnof a damp squib at times lately ! Some folk say it's keeping our eye on the champions league rather than concentrating on the premier league but that's poppycock they are professional footballers who knows the premier league is majorly important and why we need to stay in this league so god knows what's up with this squad !!?? Then we get some of the Claudio out brigade who blame him for the demise is he stubborn by not changing formations playing players who are so out of form it's shocking, Nobody knows but him but on the other hand the outer want him gone but who do we replace him with ? I really want him to stay as I feel he will turn us around very soon I hope, Then in four weeks time that window opens do we replace the defensive back four with better quality players now we're in the CL last 16 we could hopefully attract a few quality non CL tied players so how many players do we try to bring in January which positions but we will just have to wait and see and hope the lads can kick themselves up the arse and sort out this mess as soon as fooking possible !! i believe we will turn this slump around and go the right way up the table and away from the bottom half of the table !! Onwards and upwards and in Claudio we still trust !!
SpinneyHillRanger Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 Have okazaki in central midfield with amartey and king. Huth, Hernandez and Morgan at the back Have albrighton and Fuchs as wingbacks swinging in crosses With slim and mahrez upfront. Getting crosses in for slimani will be much more effective than hoofing long balls for vardy. Slim and mahrez and okazaki will link up well together too. If that doesn't work, we have vardy, gray (for mahrez) and musa to make a change.
truebluethroughandthrough Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 The question I would like to ask is- to the fans. If I had said to you in august that we would win our UCL group whilst having injuries to key players, what would be an acceptable position in the league? I can't speak for others but my answer would of been around mid-table would be acceptable, and that's where we are. Theres always a silver lining and here it is. We are playing some utter dross that we haven't seen in a few years, whilst showing glimpses of what we're capable of( the moves that lead to Shinji hitting the bar, and slims first few touches yesterday for example) and yet we are only a few points off 8th. Yes we are a few points off relegation and that's the silver lining! Im not pretending everything is fine and dandy but I'm not gonna start whining like a self entitled gooner either. Boro were better than us but to say we were completely outplayed is just wrong. If that was true then Zieler must have had an awesome game, which he didn't.. Our defence must of had an inspirational game if we were so outplayed, they didn't... so no, we weren't outplayed, we had a poor performance against an average resilient side and were lucky to come away with a point, that's it. Some fans still seem to think that form ebbs and flows with a click of a finger, it doesn't and we have too many players out of form, which is worrying and couple that with Claudio's stubbornness on the 442 with the opponents regularly having the extra man in midfield, you end up with what we've seen so far. My answer for the Sunderland game would be to drop Mahrez, Vardy And Huth and replace with Gray, Slimani and Hernandez, ( that's if he's persisting with 44bloody2) personally would prefer to make same changes but change to 352 with James coming in the middle Fuchs Morgan and Hernandez in a back 3 with schluup and gray as wing backs ( risky I know!) So no place for albrighton (another desperately out of form). Im not panicking yet but we have to change something, we are so predictable it's just too easy for opposition to set up against us, maybe the above team would get smashed, but until certain players regain form, changes definitely need to be made. What changes exactly is the question for mr ranieri keep the faith lads.
sphericalfox Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 15 hours ago, dylanlegend said: Really? Zieler Morgan Huth Fuchs Albrighton King James Schlupp Vardy Mahrez (in the hole) Slimani Away from home, play Okazaki in the hole Simples teeny weeny flaw in your system there...
4everfox Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 Only Leicester fans can think Ranieri is the greatest manager in the world six months before wanting him sacked and booing the players off the pitch at full time after drawing a game. Pathetic.
Clever Fox Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 18 minutes ago, 4everfox said: Only Leicester fans can think Ranieri is the greatest manager in the world six months before wanting him sacked and booing the players off the pitch at full time after drawing a game. Pathetic. You're so right, Many of our Fans are pathetic. Do people seriously think we're going to win every game. But they are right to question why it's all going wrong. Why our recruitment was so poor especially in the areas we needed to strengthen most. Why was Walsh allowed leave when he just signed a 4 year contract. Personally I think there was a difference of opinion between CR and Walsh over targets and also as to the direction we were going as a club. The Club also chose to take the Money from that silly summer competition and now were seeing some of the results of those decisions. With no proper preseason we don't look fully fit we actually look tired. While I am a huge fan of CR he now has to get tough with the players, He has suffered from injuries but he more than anyone at the Club should have known what was needed to get us through this tough season will all the added games. I think CR and Walsh disagreed over signings which led to Walsh leaving quietly. We need to get the signings right in January. We need pace and strength at the back and creativity in Midfield. If we can get these right then we can climb the table. The current squad has the talent to get results but they need a reality check if they think just because we're champions that teams will roll over and let us win easily.
m4DD0gg Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 2 hours ago, truebluethroughandthrough said: The question I would like to ask is- to the fans. If I had said to you in august that we would win our UCL group whilst having injuries to key players, what would be an acceptable position in the league? I can't speak for others but my answer would of been around mid-table would be acceptable, and that's where we are. Theres always a silver lining and here it is. We are playing some utter dross that we haven't seen in a few years, whilst showing glimpses of what we're capable of( the moves that lead to Shinji hitting the bar, and slims first few touches yesterday for example) and yet we are only a few points off 8th. Yes we are a few points off relegation and that's the silver lining! Im not pretending everything is fine and dandy but I'm not gonna start whining like a self entitled gooner either. Boro were better than us but to say we were completely outplayed is just wrong. If that was true then Zieler must have had an awesome game, which he didn't.. Our defence must of had an inspirational game if we were so outplayed, they didn't... so no, we weren't outplayed, we had a poor performance against an average resilient side and were lucky to come away with a point, that's it. Some fans still seem to think that form ebbs and flows with a click of a finger, it doesn't and we have too many players out of form, which is worrying and couple that with Claudio's stubbornness on the 442 with the opponents regularly having the extra man in midfield, you end up with what we've seen so far. My answer for the Sunderland game would be to drop Mahrez, Vardy And Huth and replace with Gray, Slimani and Hernandez, ( that's if he's persisting with 44bloody2) personally would prefer to make same changes but change to 352 with James coming in the middle Fuchs Morgan and Hernandez in a back 3 with schluup and gray as wing backs ( risky I know!) So no place for albrighton (another desperately out of form). Im not panicking yet but we have to change something, we are so predictable it's just too easy for opposition to set up against us, maybe the above team would get smashed, but until certain players regain form, changes definitely need to be made. What changes exactly is the question for mr ranieri keep the faith lads. Its not so much about an acceptable position its the blatant lack of trying.
Matt Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 Listen, i'm not suggesting he was and if he was i'm sure he'd have been caught, but you can't deny you have to agree with other fans to an extent when they question/joked if certain players were on enhancing drugs last season, most notably Wes Morgan. Not great the season before last (Barr his blocks - A crucial part of his game take no credit away from it), amazing last season, and back to normal, shite this season (Doesn't even get that many blocks in like the season before last). It's not a case of "What's happened to Wes Morgan this season", It's a question of "What happened to Wes Morgan last season?". He's not the only one but i've lost all faith in him and alot of faith in the defence as a unit.
kingpowerout Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 For me it's the pure stubbornness of playing a system that is not delivering results. Opposition teams need not scout us before playing us as we always play 4-4-2. Teams have worked out that if they defend deep then Vardy might as well not be playing and also if they close our non-creative midfield down and hard press then the ball goes back to the full back position and hoof! The whole cycle starts again. it's painfully predictable and something needs to change. If we were up against a better side than Boro yesterday we'd have been spanked.
Durnerz Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 The defence is far too comfortable, it picks itself and as a result the desire isn't there unless its a Champions League tie. The loss of Kante means there's far more work for the defence to get through with that protection in midfield taken away. We're not using the wide positions effectively as with Mahrez being doubled up on and Albrighton either wasteful or ineffective. I would switch it round a bit, give players like Musa and Hernandez opportunities and show players such as Huth and Albrighton that they aren't undroppable. Create insecurity and bring the desire back to prove their worth their starting spot on a matchday.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 1 hour ago, 4everfox said: Only Leicester fans can think Ranieri is the greatest manager in the world six months before wanting him sacked and booing the players off the pitch at full time after drawing a game. Pathetic. I don't think there has been one fan who has come out an said he should be sacked. Fans are entitled to ask why it has gone so drastically wrong. We are being out played by teams like Hull, WBA, Watford and Middlesborough. The performances or lack of it is the issue.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 17 hours ago, dylanlegend said: Really? Zieler Morgan Huth Fuchs Albrighton King James Schlupp Vardy Mahrez (in the hole) Slimani Away from home, play Okazaki in the hole Simples So you're prepared to throw Matty James straight in? He's going to need a fair bit of time before he's ready to start I reckon.
dylanlegend Posted 27 November 2016 Posted 27 November 2016 16 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: So you're prepared to throw Matty James straight in? He's going to need a fair bit of time before he's ready to start I reckon. Over Amartey, yes. If he can play 90 mins for the development team he's ready, all this match fit stuff is rubbish, you are fit or not fit, simple as that. As with the whole Smalling / Shaw saga it was pointed out that most professionals are never 100% fit and many play with painkilllers etc
Stevosevic Posted 26 December 2016 Author Posted 26 December 2016 Time is up for me. It's about this season unfortunately and its very hard to defend.
m4DD0gg Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 1 minute ago, Stevosevic said: Time is up for me. It's about this season unfortunately and its very hard to defend. Agreed enough is enough. Time to make a change, problem is i cant see the owners sacking a man who a) has taken us to the last 16 of the champions league and b) has a billion quids worth of manager IOU's in the bank. Right sticky situation. The risk of letting CR loose with a huge cheque book to buy more unproven dross in January is very worrying.
Bozman Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 Don't worry boys, we will still have Super Slim up front and Ulloa will be sold in Jan,,,,
Stevosevic Posted 26 December 2016 Author Posted 26 December 2016 Taking Gray off.....he's clueless this season
Corky Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 The problems started on the first day. We went with the wrong attitude against a team with barely enough players to put 11 out. Last season we'd have gone there with the determination to play to our maximum and grind it out if needed. Then the debacles at Liverpool, Man United and Chelsea where we didn't even bother heaped even more pressure on the "winnable" games and we've fvcked that up big time. Relegation battles are nothing new but we've had a squad that has shown capabilities of winning matches in different ways, forming a cohesive unit and had money to spend to improve the squad. This season has been a huge failure in the league and it's not as though there's been huge expectations, if we were 9th/10th with 24 points and through in the Champions League we'd have a pretty placid forum. We can't even argue that many, if any, of the defeats have been undeserved or unlucky. What a let down.
foxy boxing Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 Despite the players we have brought in, there is just no competition for places. Some players are just too comfortable in the team and we don't have any adequate backup for Huth or Morgan who are two ageing defenders . We seem to have lots of wingers and not enough central midfielders while upfront we have mismatched strikers who just can't play together. Does that sound like good management!
lifted*fox Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 7 minutes ago, Corky said: This season has been a huge failure in the league and it's not as though there's been huge expectations, if we were 9th/10th with 24 points and through in the Champions League we'd have a pretty placid forum. We can't even argue that many, if any, of the defeats have been undeserved or unlucky. What a let down. Too right mate. People getting ****ing triggered about people moaning because 'we won the league last season' seem to think we're all expecting a top 4 finish again and we're all 'ungrateful' and have OTT expectations - 'you need to remember where we've come from, we're little Leicester'. I'd be over the ****ing moon with mid-table and good heart-felt performances. I didn't expect to go from elation and pride to complete bemusement and embarrassment in the space of 6 months. People are well within their rights to be upset at our baffling current form, ability and management decisions.
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