davieG Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 This has always been the objective of the owners lest we forget. Last years success and this season's fallout from it should be looked upon as a blip in the 5 year plan as welcome as it was in many respects it's had a negative impact on that 5 year plan raising expectations and making recruitment much harder. The players we are bringing in and deemed not yet ready to play a full part in the first team are all part of that 5 year objective obviously it's imperative that we maintain our PL status and despite the loss of you know who I don't think there are many who thought we'd struggle quite as much as we have done. Sure we could have recruited better in the summer but recruitment is dangerous and unpredictable and not always in the control of the buying club especially one that is seen as cash rich and yet standing above their historic level. Just a few thoughts.
EGBFitness Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 The club failed to progress over the summer. What we did last season was unbelievable but it seems the club didn't put the plans in place to go to the next level. backroom staff leaving, owners little too quite, new signings apparently not ready yet and what seems to be players not clicking shouldn't be happening with a club that was in our position in the summer. I wonder what the likes of Man City's plans was when they got taken over, the club has constantly grown. We was ahead of schedule put feels like that plan is achieved now and nothing left to do - this should of been the start of a new plan to take us to the next level
cc_star Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 It is worthwhile remembering this. However the possibilities open to us as the most unprecedented Premier League Champions & in the Champions League, will not be open to us again. And we're now faced with not only adding a few quality players but rebuilding... all while in a needless relegation scrap. I have fears for the structure of the club after Walsh's departure. Pearson had a structure where various backteam heads had a real voice, that seems to have gone out the window in favour of Ranieri on his own Signings are as hit or miss as they've ever been but with ridiculous money at stake Sports science was pushed to the front under Pearson & we including Ranieri seemed to reap the benefits with a never say die ability of the players Injuries We seem to have far more non-impact injuries than we've had for years I could go on, but it's depressing in the way that we haven't just lost form of the 1st team but we've lost something much, much greater
Bevilacqua Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 I think this season can't be considered a step back. You're among the top 16 teams in Europe (and you have the chance to do even better), an objective I doubt you believed could be achieved 1 or 2 years ago. Clearly there have been some problems in the Premier League. But if you manage to reach the top 10 at the end of the season it will be ok. Ranieri can do it, he's a master at comebacks. You have a great ownership, great management, everything is set for further development. I think you miss something in the backline, you should spend some money to improve defensivly with better players. Last year everything was simplier because you had only the PL to focus on. Now you have to battle on two fronts. That's the real problem. Adapting to European football (expecially CL) takes time, it's not only a matter of creating a deep team with at least two good choices for each role, it's a matter of forma mentis. And you started well, doing great things in Europe while struggling domestically. I bet 90% of clubs in your position would do worse.
StriderHiryu Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 If we can survive then despite feeling like a huge step backwards there would still be plenty to be excited about. Drinkwater is 26, Musa and Mendy are 24, Gray and Amartey are 21. These are all young players who are already in or around the first team. Then you have Kaputska, Chillwell and Ndidi when he signs who are all young and have potential. However, the infuriating thing is that the title win gave us a real chance to become a top 5 club very quickly. Now it feels like all that good work has gone to waste.
Webbo Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 I can remember when the owners said we'd be in the champions league in 5 years. Most of us laughed, some were outraged. They've proved us all wrong.
Barky Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 We're building a good young premier league team. Last season was an anomoly, this season so far is a blip but we have plenty of time to turn it around. Overall things are still looking good if you plot the progress from when our owners took over to now.
Ted Maul Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 15 minutes ago, cc_star said: we haven't just lost form of the 1st team but we've lost something much, much greater I think you've hit the nail on the head here. It just seems like the club as a whole has taken massive steps backwards in the last 6 months. I saw that radio phone-in with that Colchester fan having a go at us about some Leicester fans wanting Ranieri out. It's a bit extreme, but they don't see what goes on with the running of the club- I am a bit fearful of where the lack of structure behind the scenes may be taking us. For everything Ranieri did for us last year (and he'll always be a legend for that no matter what), I just don't get the slightest impression that he's building anything substantial long-term.
MC Prussian Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 9 minutes ago, Webbo said: I can remember when the owners said we'd be in the champions league in 5 years. Most of us laughed, some were outraged. They've proved us all wrong. Luckily they didn't say we'd be back in the Championship within the same time frame!
Lestoh Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 Is this season really a blip? We're Leicester fvcking City and we won the Premier League when we were aiming for 40 points, this season we're just doing what we were meant to do all along
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 1 hour ago, davieG said: This has always been the objective of the owners lest we forget. Last years success and this season's fallout from it should be looked upon as a blip in the 5 year plan as welcome as it was in many respects it's had a negative impact on that 5 year plan raising expectations and making recruitment much harder. The players we are bringing in and deemed not yet ready to play a full part in the first team are all part of that 5 year objective obviously it's imperative that we maintain our PL status and despite the loss of you know who I don't think there are many who thought we'd struggle quite as much as we have done. Sure we could have recruited better in the summer but recruitment is dangerous and unpredictable and not always in the control of the buying club especially one that is seen as cash rich and yet standing above their historic level. Just a few thoughts. I'm going to get shot down for this but there is no plan - Ranieri only focuses on the first team and you look at the state of the other sides at the club and you'll realise quite quickly that they aren't the focus. Our youth academy is worse than ever.
Barky Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 35 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: I think you've hit the nail on the head here. It just seems like the club as a whole has taken massive steps backwards in the last 6 months. I saw that radio phone-in with that Colchester fan having a go at us about some Leicester fans wanting Ranieri out. It's a bit extreme, but they don't see what goes on with the running of the club- I am a bit fearful of where the lack of structure behind the scenes may be taking us. For everything Ranieri did for us last year (and he'll always be a legend for that no matter what), I just don't get the slightest impression that he's building anything substantial long-term. You don't see what's going on with the running of the club either. This talk about 'structure' and injuries is total guesswork and its disgraceful to use guesswork to demean the man who won us the title.
Ric Flair Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 24 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: I'm going to get shot down for this but there is no plan - Ranieri only focuses on the first team and you look at the state of the other sides at the club and you'll realise quite quickly that they aren't the focus. Our youth academy is worse than ever. Yeah agreed. Our academy which we worked so hard to get Category A status on and spent millions has been allowed to stagnate, it doesn't help who we have running it and until Rudkin retains as much power as he does we're unlikely to see much success. The man is a poltis.
davieG Posted 7 December 2016 Author Posted 7 December 2016 Well there may not be whole raft of player coming through the academy but with the likes of.... Amarty, Kapustka, Gray, Mendy, Musa and possibly Ndidi being signed and very few that can 'hit the ground running' one could and many have argued that the focus has been too much on the future and not the present.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 1 hour ago, Barky said: We're building a good young premier league team. Last season was an anomoly, this season so far is a blip but we have plenty of time to turn it around. Overall things are still looking good if you plot the progress from when our owners took over to now. With Amartey,Ndidi,Musa,Chilwell,Gray,Kapustka,Mendy all under the age of 24 we will have a solid base to build from in the future.
Ted Maul Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 20 minutes ago, Barky said: You don't see what's going on with the running of the club either. This talk about 'structure' and injuries is total guesswork and its disgraceful to use guesswork to demean the man who won us the title. I was talking about the club in general rather than Ranieri specifically, and whilst it's true that we don't see the day-to-day running, there is a lot we can see which I consider a backwards step. Hopefully we've just been very unlucky with some of it, but a lack of identity, effort and ideas on the pitch more often than not points to a badly run club off it.
MC Prussian Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 13 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: With Amartey,Ndidi,Musa,Chilwell,Gray,Kapustka,Mendy all under the age of 24 we will have a solid base to build from in the future. That is should they fulfill their potential and/or expectations and don't leave in the foreseeable future.
Wymsey Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 Regarding the youngsters that haven't flourished as some have expected, we could've made both ours and their situations worse by loaning them straight after buying them and them not returning back to the club that initially signed them (ie. the Chelsea way). I hold the recruitment's and other's trust on how those 'left out' as they've already mentioned the likes of Kaputska in particular aren't ready for PL just yet and want to home them in first and eventually reach the playing target.
foxy boxing Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 as long as we remain on an upward curve and can see the team and the club improving(obviously we have spent this season concentrating on the Champions league and as long as we don't go down) and that when Claudio leaves there is a smooth transition for the mangement side and the playing side
Kitchandro Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 Apparently the long term plan includes hiring Allardyce because he will continue that progressive footballing style we worked so hard to create.
ajthefox Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 3 hours ago, Ted Maul said: I think you've hit the nail on the head here. It just seems like the club as a whole has taken massive steps backwards in the last 6 months. I saw that radio phone-in with that Colchester fan having a go at us about some Leicester fans wanting Ranieri out. It's a bit extreme, but they don't see what goes on with the running of the club- I am a bit fearful of where the lack of structure behind the scenes may be taking us. For everything Ranieri did for us last year (and he'll always be a legend for that no matter what), I just don't get the slightest impression that he's building anything substantial long-term. Transfers with Ranieri in charge... Amartey 21 Gray 21 Musa 24 Hernandez 27 Mendy 24 Kapustka 19 Slimani 28 No, not a hint of building a team long term there.
MPH Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 The problem is we set out to avoid relegation and accidentally won the league..
goose2010 Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 4 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: The 5 year plan started 6 years ago. So by your calculations we won the league at the end of their 5 year plan. Impressive not like you to be positive
yorkie1999 Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 2 minutes ago, goose2010 said: So by your calculations we won the league at the end of their 5 year plan. Impressive not like you to be positive kof
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