Stoke AWAY Post Match Thread 2 - 2

[Guest Danny Clender]

As much as the Ref lost us the game, I do think Morgan as Captain should have Captained the team, taken control on the pitch and told everybody to calm down. 

[Chester Dontlie]

5 hours ago, Russell sprout said:

one thing to mention is that with all that went on when the ref blew for half time,

and almost everyone approaching the ref,

i think kasper done a fantastic job in pulling players and management away,

the mood pawson was in we could easily have ended up with 9 or even 8 players for anyone daring to question his decisions,

the pary Kasper played in getting everyone down the tunnel was maybe a massive part in restoring order amongst the players,not to mention his performance on the pitch

Agreed! Kasper's intervention there was imo as brilliant and important as his saves during the game. Calmed his mates and The Don himself one by one, when shit was about to go from bad to worse and we could see more red coming our way as the ref was in his defence mode handing out cards left and right. To be honest I wouldn't blame them much for piling up on that **** if they did... luckily we had Kasper.

 

The bloke is pure class on and off the pitch and moments like that  show he's also a future captain material. Good to have him back.

[WigstonWanderer]

What a comeback reminiscent of last season. 10 men against 11 and a hostile ref. From the depths of despair at half time to elation. Surely Demarai Gray gets a regular spot now, or at least a chance at one. Ulloa or Slimani?

[Raw Dykes]

Couldn't watch the match, so had to make do with the Radio Leicester commentary.

 

Very encouraging result, and especially the manner of the comeback after it sounded like our luck was out. I'm sure it will feel like a win to the players. Hopefully, we will have gained a confidence boost from this and will put in some more improved displays over the next few games.

 

Very glad to have Schmeichel back, but now we're without Vardy, Huth and Fuchs for the next match. Not ideal, but someone had to make way for Gray, anyway, so to try to look on the bright side, it's only like having 2 missing. Who's the lesser of two evils out of Chilwell and Schlupp? Won't feel confident with either of them at left back, but that's all we've got. I guess I'd go with Amartey at centre-half if DD is fit again, otherwise it's Hernandez or Was.

 

I don't want to get my hopes up too much. There's still tons of work to do to save this season, but I'm very glad that it sounded like we played better today. It was great that we managed to fight back from 2-0 down with 10 men. You've got to say that is a great achievement in the PL, especially away from home at somewhere like Stoke. Well done, Leicester.

 

Just please, please don't let this become another false dawn after the Man City game.

[justfoxes]

It's about time the premier league Fifa and the FA Audit the performances of these referees on a weekly basis, if they are doing that already then then are as incompetent as the so called referees they employ !!

An absolutely disgraceful performance by Pawson I'm hoping the club appeals as talking to some mates Johnson Definatly Gould Vardy making him go to ground then Diouf made a right meal to get him sent off and if you see clips of the game it's like Johnson actually thanks Pawson for some of his innocuous decisions!!

 

felt like a win at the End when Amartey banged in the winner but I was for a split second waiting for Pawson to blow up for a foul,that was one hell of a disgraceful performance and Pawson should not be allowed to officiate in the premier league again and this week shows his incompetence whilst also officiating the Manure Game Also !!

 

 

[Ted Maul]

Fantastic away day. Coming back from 2-0 down is one thing. Doing it when the officials are useless, you're down to 10 men and you're taking endless stick from the opposition fans was superb. 

 

Really proud of the team yesterday- that took some serious fight to drag ourselves back into it. Promising signs.

[norwichfox]

Fantastic result given the circumstances, thought Amartey played very well, he always looks a bit stiff legged on close work, would love to see him loosen up a bit. I still think he's destined for big things here. We started well and I firmly believe we'd have won were it not for losing Vardy after 28 mins a good result even if we were at full strength there aren't so many come away from Stoke with points the last few years. I'd pay good money to watch Hughes and that poor excuse for a referee fight to the death. Good to see Claudio actually getting worked up and showing passion at the end of the first half, and back to his "perfect gentleman" during the post match interview....most managers would have been seething during their interview. I was astounded to see the ref talking to players that were not involved in play at times when no refereeing input was wanted ar warranted, what was that about....discussing terms? Definitely something was not above board with this referee and it should be investigated imo. A "never mind the football, watch what I can do" referee. Howard Webb is calling for Pawlson him to be dropped from his next game, I hope he's banned for life.

[fuchsntf]

Now for some reality....

The ref had , an indifferent game but not a poor game.

Penalty yes..!!

Bookings not  incorrect, maybe a little more thought and common sense, but not poor descisions,

looking from both  sides.

 

Sending off...One question....if that had been a foul against Leicester, how would city fans react. 2 feet off the ground.

mitigating circumstances, the push from johnson, did it cause Vardy to go 2 footed, because when hitting his own legs

Vardy was pushed into a 2 footed challenge, which might not of happeneded in Vardys natural movement/It was always

going to be 2 footed...!!  ??

 

With 11 men, upto the 28th minute, we were looking damn good. Not saying we would of won it, but would of been more of a threat

in the time 30min -70minute, plus Stoke would have struggled to score...maybe!!

 

Top result, with shades of last seasons intensity and spirit, shown even before Vardy descision.

Slim and Albrighton, Huth  looked up for it, until then.

On the general thought of Fuchs and Huth missing one game, plus threat of ban for Vardy..........

Not one of you can use that has a poor  /  bleak  outlook!!!!.

This forum,  really with the odd exceptions, has shown, opinionated within its mixed posts, that none of them will be missed,

and should be benched, now at least for 1 game, many posters have their wishes granted.

 

Man.city magic, badluck at Bournemouth, now Stoke, will December be our turning point for picking up points??,

Putting a stop to the turgid performances. Will now the Leicester of last season  slowly but surely step forward,

now is the time to start to move in  cementting our position  towards top 12 and mid-table security.

We can sniff it, but can we taste it then realise it before the next steps in the CL..??

 

A good finish to 2016, ( title year)  ( this time last year Xmas champions), A top final 2016 finish is on my Santas list.

Before AFCON...Fit   DDrinkwater, Mendy, James. Vardy return, A massive positive transfer market investments,

meshing naturally within the squad.

 

The set up or formation , doesnt worry me one iota, its the game day players performances

that will decide this seasons fate, not arguments of wasted space  on this forum of diverse formations

4-4-2, blah blah, etc..

King Dick, to lift his lazy ass off the throne, and throw his spirit into the cause, alongside that extatically gorgeous wench

Rachel. Then smiles will return...

[ian_marshall]

OK first things first, we we're brilliant yesterday. Absolutely dominated the first 25 minutes, yes we got lucky with the Kasper save, but aside from that there was only ever one team that was going to win that game and it certainly wasn't Stoke.

 

Up stepped Pawson and the game changed completely in a matter of seconds with Stoke given a huge advantage. This was exacerbated by further unnecessary use of the yellow card at every opportunity. Stoke then got their 2 goals and it looked like it'd be a routine victory for the home side.

 

I have no idea what was said at half time but second half the boys were clearly up for it and took control of the game from the whistle. The energy levels exuded were incredible, we were everywhere and you'd never have guessed that we were a man down as we contained Stoke with ease.

 

Then came the masterstroke substitutions from Ranieri which had an immediate impact and allowed us to be on the front foot and attack at will. Gray and Ulloa were immense and their first contributions to the game reaffirmed our dominance in the second half and gave us all belief that Stoke were there for the taking. After that the second goal was only a matter of time, and by the end Stoke were really hanging on as another 5 minutes or so would most certainly have led to us travelling back down the A50 with all 3 points.

 

Most importantly yesterday demonstrated two things for me. Firstly the notion that by playing 442 automatically means that you'll be overrun in midfield is nonsense. We played 60 minutes yesterday with 10 men with only two in the middle and easily handled Stoke's midfield three. Secondly, whilst we've not seen it of late the players demonstrated to me that they still have the desire to win games and are not a spent force. 

 

Make no mistakes whilst the numbers will tell you that we only came away with a draw, I left the ground yesterday delighted having witnessed our first victory on the road this season.

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, ian_marshall said:

OK first things first, we we're brilliant yesterday. Absolutely dominated the first 25 minutes, yes we got lucky with the Kasper save, but aside from that there was only ever one team that was going to win that game and it certainly wasn't Stoke.

 

Up stepped Pawson and the game changed completely in a matter of seconds with Stoke given a huge advantage. This was exacerbated by further unnecessary use of the yellow card at every opportunity. Stoke then got their 2 goals and it looked like it'd be a routine victory for the home side.

 

I have no idea what was said at half time but second half the boys were clearly up for it and took control of the game from the whistle. The energy levels exuded were incredible, we were everywhere and you'd never have guessed that we were a man down as we contained Stoke with ease.

 

Then came the masterstroke substitutions from Ranieri which had an immediate impact and allowed us to be on the front foot and attack at will. Gray and Ulloa were immense and their first contributions to the game reaffirmed our dominance in the second half and gave us all belief that Stoke were there for the taking. After that the second goal was only a matter of time, and by the end Stoke were really hanging on as another 5 minutes or so would most certainly have led to us travelling back down the A50 with all 3 points.

 

Most importantly yesterday demonstrated two things for me. Firstly the notion that by playing 442 automatically means that you'll be overrun in midfield is nonsense. We played 60 minutes yesterday with 10 men with only two in the middle and easily handled Stoke's midfield three. Secondly, whilst we've not seen it of late the players demonstrated to me that they still have the desire to win games and are not a spent force. 

 

Make no mistakes whilst the numbers will tell you that we only came away with a draw, I left the ground yesterday delighted having witnessed our first victory on the road this season.

Don't think we dominated the first 25 minutes at all. Yeah, we looked a threat going forward but only really created half chances. Stoke waltzed through the middle of us with ease in the first half, even with 11 men. That only changed with them going 2-0 up and deciding it was game over. They bossed the ball and created easily two great chances that were saved or blocked (by King). Another day those get finished and you're 2-0 before Vardy even gets sent off.

[Guest Col city fan]

7 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Don't think we dominated the first 25 minutes at all. Yeah, we looked a threat going forward but only really created half chances. Stoke waltzed through the middle of us with ease in the first half, even with 11 men. That only changed with them going 2-0 up and deciding it was game over. They bossed the ball and created easily two great chances that were saved or blocked (by King). Another day those get finished and you're 2-0 before Vardy even gets sent off.

I find myself agreeing with almost every post you make at the moment.

That was exactly how I saw the game too.

Yes, the passion was there in our lads to get back into the game, but really Stoke should have been out of sight long before then.

They will know that too and I suspect their players went into the dressing room after the game saying 'How the Hell did we not win that match'

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Thought it was pretty even until the red.  The second half we actually clocked on to the fact that we needed to play football.  Once we did, we looked good on the ball.

 

Not sure I agree with us losing our heads as some have put it.  5 out of 6 of the yellows were harsh to

say the least and was pretty pathetic by the ref.  I think he lost his head more than we did.

 

 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Thought it was pretty even until the red.  The second half we actually clocked on to the fact that we needed to play football.  Once we did, we looked good on the ball.

 

Not sure I agree with us losing our heads as some have put it.  5 out of 6 of the yellows were harsh to

say the least and was pretty pathetic by the ref.  I think he lost his head more than we did.

 

 

It was quite end to end, I certainly wouldn't say either team dominated. Both teams were causing problems, theirs whilst less were probably way more clear cut.

 

I thought the yellows were by law, correct to be honest. The one King got done for was worse than Vardy's if you ask me. What he didn't do was use his head, someone like Clattenburg doesn't always go letter of the law. Because he wants the game to flow and to keep 11 men on the pitch. I think that's where he went wrong. His game management was poor and it was making things worse.

[foxinsocks]

It looked like we were creating chances until the red 

It looked likewe had the most fight after the red.

When leo cones on he competes and is tidy..   i hope we retain him

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

It was quite end to end, I certainly wouldn't say either team dominated. Both teams were causing problems, theirs whilst less were probably way more clear cut.

 

I thought the yellows were by law, correct to be honest. The one King got done for was worse than Vardy's if you ask me. What he didn't do was use his head, someone like Clattenburg doesn't always go letter of the law. Because he wants the game to flow and to keep 11 men on the pitch. I think that's where he went wrong. His game management was poor and it was making things worse.

He had probably been carpeted for his Wednesday night performance, so first match after that,  making decisions by the letter of the law was always going to be more important to him than game management 

 

maybe we should have relaised that before the game and discussed 'no silly challenges'.  Don't give him the option of putting Wednesday night right. Maybe we did.  

[foxinsocks]

Big hand for amarty.... hi is strong and full of determination especially in the last quarter of every game.  Now he has a goal.

Sure he makes mistakes but we can ciach those out.  It diesnt help so much this season.... but in 2 years time he will be a top cm in the pl.... youll see...

[foxinsocks]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

Big hand for amarty.... he is strong and full of determination especially in the last quarter of every game.  Now he has a goal.

Sure he makes mistakes but we can coach those out.  It doesnt help so much this season.... but in 2 years time he will be a top cm in the pl.... youll see...

 

[Countryfox]

Fantastic result and lots to applaud and help build confidence ....      Ulloa ..   didn't he do well ...   Gray ...   should he start a few more games ? ...  Amartey ..   put his head where it hurts ....       and we know who our best keeper is (stopped us going 3 down and probably losing the game).      But once the dust settles in FT land we will be left with a ban for Vardy (don't think an appeal will go our way), plenty of fallout for the number of yellows,  Ranieri carpeted for having a go at the ref,  and a load of bother for all those coins being chucked on the pitch.   So overall ...    a bad day at the office. 

 

P.S.   It was interesting listening to BBC radio Stoke on the way back ....    they thought that Hughes really fvcked up and lost them the game and one fan called his own fans a disgrace and said their support was appalling  ...   like being in a library he said !!!         

[ian_marshall]

47 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Don't think we dominated the first 25 minutes at all. Yeah, we looked a threat going forward but only really created half chances. Stoke waltzed through the middle of us with ease in the first half, even with 11 men. That only changed with them going 2-0 up and deciding it was game over. They bossed the ball and created easily two great chances that were saved or blocked (by King). Another day those get finished and you're 2-0 before Vardy even gets sent off.

Sorry Babylon I have disagree with you on this. Yes they had a couple of good chances, but I wouldn't say that Stoke waltzed through the middle with ease and can only really recall one attack where Amartey left his man and we were momentarily exposed.

 

I agree that Walters should have stuck the one away that Kasper saved, but we had a large periods of sustained pressure on their goal and could easily have had 4 goals in that opening period on a different day. Mahrez drew a couple of good saves from Grant, Vardy should have done much better with the lob, Slimani should have stuck away that one on one he created for himself, and if Albrighton had squared the ball instead of shooting when he broke down the right handside we had men queuing for the tap in. 

 

I appreciate that the games a matter of both opinion and perspective but yesterday was the first game where I genuinely felt that we didn't simply rollover for the opposition and tried to actually take the game to them.

[Babylon]

44 minutes ago, ian_marshall said:

Sorry Babylon I have disagree with you on this. Yes they had a couple of good chances, but I wouldn't say that Stoke waltzed through the middle with ease and can only really recall one attack where Amartey left his man and we were momentarily exposed.

 

I agree that Walters should have stuck the one away that Kasper saved, but we had a large periods of sustained pressure on their goal and could easily have had 4 goals in that opening period on a different day. Mahrez drew a couple of good saves from Grant, Vardy should have done much better with the lob, Slimani should have stuck away that one on one he created for himself, and if Albrighton had squared the ball instead of shooting when he broke down the right handside we had men queuing for the tap in. 

 

I appreciate that the games a matter of both opinion and perspective but yesterday was the first game where I genuinely felt that we didn't simply rollover for the opposition and tried to actually take the game to them.

There were at least three occasions imbula got the ball and strolled about 35 ft almost unchallenged into the box, I mentioned the same In the match thread.

 

As for our chances, they were no more then half chances at best, at awkward angles, on wrong feet etc. That's why they mostly ended with a tame shot. I'm not sure how sustained pressure can be when again. We only had about 35 % of the ball.

 

I was far happier with how we were playing, actually creating chances. But as I said at the time, we looked open and like we'd concede. Was a game that looked like it could swing either way to me. 

 

We looked like we might might take control just before the sending off as we were growing into it, but I don't think that reflects the whole half to that point.

 

Just how I saw it.

[CosbehFox]

8 hours ago, Chester Dontlie said:

Agreed! Kasper's intervention there was imo as brilliant and important as his saves during the game. Calmed his mates and The Don himself one by one, when shit was about to go from bad to worse and we could see more red coming our way as the ref was in his defence mode handing out cards left and right. To be honest I wouldn't blame them much for piling up on that **** if they did... luckily we had Kasper.

 

The bloke is pure class on and off the pitch and moments like that  show he's also a future captain material. Good to have him back.

Apparently Kasper was absolutely inspirational in the changing room at half time.

 

Just to add Pawson really didn't help himself when he failed to come out with the players at half time. Absolutely stunk of arrogance of the highest order.

[ozvaldo]

Gray HAS to start the next few games.  

[Guy]

1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

Fantastic result and lots to applaud and help build confidence ....      Ulloa ..   didn't he do well ...   Gray ...   should he start a few more games ? ...  Amartey ..   put his head where it hurts ....       and we know who our best keeper is (stopped us going 3 down and probably losing the game).      But once the dust settles in FT land we will be left with a ban for Vardy (don't think an appeal will go our way), plenty of fallout for the number of yellows,  Ranieri carpeted for having a go at the ref,  and a load of bother for all those coins being chucked on the pitch.   So overall ...    a bad day at the office. 

 

P.S.   It was interesting listening to BBC radio Stoke on the way back ....    they thought that Hughes really fvcked up and lost them the game and one fan called his own fans a disgrace and said their support was appalling  ...   like being in a library he said !!!         

I suppose the Stoke fans on Radio Stoke were being reactionary, just like we would be on here had we let a 2-0 lead slip when then playing against ten men! Some would probably once again be calling for CR's head sadly had the reverse scenario been the case! I can't remember the last time we lost at Stoke now, they must hate playing us there after this latest comeback, with this latest result replicating last season's 2-2 draw after being 2-0 down there - but for the one man less advantage!! 

[Fox seen in Norwich]

Real gutsy performance in the 2nd half. A great example of why signings are about mentality as much as ability. Could have easily felt sorry for ourselves and given up, but no, used the adversity to fight and shows the players really do still care and want to win which for me is more pleasing than the point.

 

Thank god for goal line tech. A couple of years ago that wouldn't have been given

 

 Kante wouldn't have scored that equaliser and really chuffed for Danny boy, that must give him huge confidence and may make him feel like he belongs in the squad and hoping to see an improvement from here. 

 

Welcome back Kasper! You are so much more than just our keeper.. organiser, leader and motivator

 

[dedlock]

There was a ten to fifteen minute spell prior to half time when the ref handed out yellow cards to LCFC players like smarties.

Having made what are described as two ' questionable decisions' against the same side should he have applied more common sense and acted in a more proportionate manner. What do they teach at referees CPD? He may be in charge but there are Three other qualified 'assistants' in his team. At least one of them could have helped him,suggested he speak to the captain and warn him of the consequences of further dissent,even suggested that it might be prudent to let it go to half time and only penalise blatant or bad fouls,e.g. King, that did not happen. Other referees or teams of officials would have dealt with it differently,which is what annoys we fans.