Rusko187 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 3 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Its a bunch of ****ing horseshit is what it is. If Rudkin is our Director of Football and now Walsh is not here he is responsible for getting signings through the door, I have to ask why that is. He's a ****ing upgraded youth football coach. What qualifications does he have which suggest he's up to the task of convincing multi-millionaire footballers that LCFC is the place they need to be? What experience did he have prior to getting this gig, of dealing with international lawyers and agents in a multi million pound business? In in addition to those primary questions, the next question to be asked is; is he doing a good job, or has the last nine months been a complete and utter disaster with the blame to be laid at his feet? I share your frustrations, fact is there appears to be a few things going wrong at the moment and recruitment has been a headache for a while. It always seems to take us forever and a day to get a deal over the line! Should have really given Walsh the job but hindsight is a beautiful thing.
psychonaut Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 1 minute ago, Rusko187 said: I share your frustrations, fact is there appears to be a few things going wrong at the moment and recruitment has been a headache for a while. It always seems to take us forever and a day to get a deal over the line! Should have really given Walsh the job but hindsight is a beautiful thing. Did we ever replace Walsh? I know we almost replaced him with the spuds scout.
st albans fox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 17 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Its a bunch of ****ing horseshit is what it is. If Rudkin is our Director of Football and now Walsh is not here he is responsible for getting signings through the door, I have to ask why that is. He's a ****ing upgraded youth football coach. What qualifications does he have which suggest he's up to the task of convincing multi-millionaire footballers that LCFC is the place they need to be? What experience did he have prior to getting this gig, of dealing with international lawyers and agents in a multi million pound business? In in addition to those primary questions, the next question to be asked is; is he doing a good job, or has the last nine months been a complete and utter disaster with the blame to be laid at his feet? Most of what I have read leads me to believe that most of our targets want to come here so I would say he is doing a decent job of persuading them to join. negotiating with the selling club appears to be the stumbling block and I suspect that isn't his responsibilty
Koke Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 42 minutes ago, SecretPro said: We had two options in the summer: 1. Go all out, take the risk and spend the money (the Man City Model) and try and make it stick, set us up for top 6 for the forseable future, reap the rewards of the TV money and the Staying up money. or 2. Carry on with our two-bit penny pinching and hope our ageing team still fancy it the following season. We went with Option 2. The wrong option in my view. We have gone backwards so rapidly, worse than our first year back in the prem. We spent £80m in the summer. We must be in the top half in terms of spending. So we hardly penny pinched. Yes we did sell £55m worth of players so our net spend is nothing. But we royally messed up the recruitment. Not due to lack of spending but due to shit player recruitment.
BenTheFox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 He's the type of player that imo could just slot into the back four. All I'm asking for is someone who will be an improvement or at very very least the same standard as Morgan.
TJB-fox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 5 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: He's the type of player that imo could just slot into the back four. All I'm asking for is someone who will be an improvement or at very very least the same standard as Morgan. Darren Kenton, Ryan McGivern and Patrick Kisnorbo all fit that criteria
BenTheFox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 5 minutes ago, TJB-fox said: Darren Kenton, Ryan McGivern and Patrick Kisnorbo all fit that criteria Despite the fact that Morgan captained us to our only ever league title, it's hard to disagree with you on current form.
LCFC_Oak Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 1 hour ago, Stevosevic said: Ffs. Injuries to CBs and we are f**ked Last year I would have agreed, but to be honest we could play any centre half from the u16s upward and it wouldn't make much difference this season.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 2 hours ago, st albans fox said: Most of what I have read leads me to believe that most of our targets want to come here so I would say he is doing a decent job of persuading them to join. negotiating with the selling club appears to be the stumbling block and I suspect that isn't his responsibilty Do you mean the Thais are too tight to cough what's required?
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 1 hour ago, Koke said: We spent £80m in the summer. We must be in the top half in terms of spending. So we hardly penny pinched. Yes we did sell £55m worth of players so our net spend is nothing. But we royally messed up the recruitment. Not due to lack of spending but due to shit player recruitment. You've said yourself we spent 'nothing' NET, so it is due to a lack of relative spending I would argue in addition to; as you have said buying shit players!
cityfanlee23 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Just get him in for gods sake. He's an absolute machine and easily capable of being a top 8 defender in this league.
st albans fox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 32 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Do you mean the Thais are too tight to cough what's required? or they wont pay more than they perceive to be a fair price if that's the case then they will be much more wealthy for their stewardship of this club when they eventually leave us.
Babylon Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 33 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: You've said yourself we spent 'nothing' NET, so it is due to a lack of relative spending I would argue in addition to; as you have said buying shit players! When did £20m become nothing?
Bryn Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: When did £20m become nothing? When merely existing in the PL nets you hundreds of millions in TV money and we have the Champions League money and £30m for Kante thrown in?
Babylon Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 16 minutes ago, Bryn said: When merely existing in the PL nets you hundreds of millions in TV money and we have the Champions League money and £30m for Kante thrown in? Well it doesn't get you hundreds of millions for a start. We've also got one of the highest net spends over the last 3 years outside the big clubs. Our net spend is £20m+ this season and we'be tried to spend more. We've given huge pay rises to most of the players. 7th in the last net spend count... http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons The idea we're somehow penny pinching is just delusional.
reynard Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: Well it doesn't get you hundreds of millions for a start. We've also got one of the highest net spends over the last 3 years outside the big clubs. Our net spend is £20m+ this season and we'be tried to spend more. We've given huge pay rises to most of the players. 7th in the last net spend count... http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons The idea we're somehow penny pinching is just delusional. Exactly. it isn't the amount of money we've spent or the lack of investment the problem appears to be that we have largely wasted it.
Babylon Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 3 minutes ago, reynard said: Exactly. it isn't the amount of money we've spent or the lack of investment the problem appears to be that we have largely wasted it. I'd go further and say it's potentially because we aren't getting the best out of them. Like we aren't getting the best out of other proven performers.
reynard Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 1 minute ago, Babylon said: I'd go further and say it's potentially because we aren't getting the best out of them. Like we aren't getting the best out of other proven performers. That's true as well. The issues though in terms of poor investment are not just current. Kramaric for eg wasn't such a good deal. I tend to think like most teams we have some good buys and some bad ones. Personally I'm shocked at quite how far we appear to have regressed in a few months despite a record amount of investment in the squad. I'm afraid it comes down to management in the end.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: When did £20m become nothing? The last two seasons. Im not sure you will get many people agreeing with your view that spending £20/30m in these times is much in terms of spending with a view to progress - across a whole squad. I think you try to be argumentative. If you must make me be specific on what has changed the transfer market and our own situation (Im sure you are aware); the new Sky deal, £20m for a pre season tour, Champions of England, Champions League money, filling the Stadium every week, aspiring to become a consistent top 10 side, Billionaire owners etc etc.
Babylon Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 6 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: The last two seasons. Im not sure you will get many people agreeing with your view that spending £20/30m in these times is much in terms of spending with a view to progress - across a whole squad. I think you try to be argumentative. If you must make me be specific on what has changed the transfer market and our own situation (Im sure you are aware); the new Sky deal, £20m for a pre season tour, Champions of England, Champions League money, filling the Stadium every week, aspiring to become a consistent top 10 side, Billionaire owners etc etc. And you don't seem to understand that we've already outspent teams of our size considerably. Look at the link in the posts above. 7th biggest net spend in the last 5 premier league years, despite only being in it for 2.5 of them. It's not just about one window, you can't just forget the £40+m spent in the previous season. There is a good reason teams our size don't consistently spend £25-£40m a year. Because it becomes unsustainable.
katieakita Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 In the summer the vast majority on here were screaming at the club to do all they could to keep last seasons premier league winning team together and minus one player who just was not staying (the the evidence suggests like it or not it was a great move for him) we kept that squad together with some serious wage increases people forget that. People need to look at some of our neighbours when they question our owners and their ambition.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 1 minute ago, Babylon said: And you don't seem to understand that we've already outspent teams of our size considerably. Look at the link in the posts above. 7th biggest net spend in the last 5 premier league years, despite only being in it for 2.5 of them. It's not just about one window, you can't just forget the £40+m spent in the previous season. There is a good reason teams our size don't consistently spend £25-£40m a year. Because it becomes unsustainable. I don't say consistantly, I am referring to the period since May. Well if what you say is true and that's a situation and you are happy with, that and what it produces, I'm sure you won't be whinging about team and inviduals performances ever again. I on the other hand at present admit to be underwhelmed by the last few months, particularly in the recruitment department and don't feel the hierarchy have taken best advantage of the position we were in, in May.
Babylon Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 5 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: I don't say consistantly, I am referring to the period since May. Well if what you say is true and that's a situation and you are happy with, that and what it produces, I'm sure you won't be whinging about team and inviduals performances ever again. I on the other hand at present admit to be underwhelmed by the last few months, particularly in the recruitment department and don't feel the hierarchy have taken best advantage of the position we were in, in May. Yes I'm happy with the fact we're actually one of the biggest spenders since we've been in the league. What is up for debate is how it has been spent and the management of those players. What's not though is us being "tight" or whatever people want to chuck about as it's just not true.
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