Roy Keane

[Vindaloo FOX]

when i saw this topic i got worried he was going to be named our new manager .

[fuchsntf]

26 minutes ago, glenny_fox said:

We couldn't have 'gone' for it any earlier. with the tempo the players were going at, you couldn't keep it up for more than 45. you could see at the end they were completely knackered which was understandable. 

 

Keane is an absolute moron who has quickly realised that the only way he will stay relevant as a pundit it to give opinions that will cause a response.

He got a few from here didnt he..!!!   

Too many crying spoil sports, who run away from healthy criticism

[Gerard]

20 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

We aren't. Never were. We were bound to concede anyway. Or did you really expect to keep a clean sheet against them?

 

Edited (because derp): That's the problem. We lost time, their goal was a matter of "if" "when", not "when" "if".

 

I'm personally convinced that it was the way to go against a team which defense is one of the best of the world and sincerely thought Shakey would go that way. We don't have enough quality at the back to keep a clean sheet and not enough quality up front to score that many goals in such a small time window.

 

The in between brought nothing but a draw.

 

Who dares wins. 

 

I think we were far more likely to keep a clean sheet against them than score 3+ goals.

 

The truth is no matter which way we decided we had the odds against us. 

 

We only needed to score the first goal to be in the tie, I'd had been more than happy to go to penalties at any point in this tie.

[Sharpe's Fox]

I really like Keano and see nothing wrong with what he said. End of the day someone needed to stop that ball coming in. I think Mahrez since its the left back crossing.

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, Gerard said:

 

I think we were far more likely to keep a clean sheet against them than score 3+ goals.

 

The truth is no matter which way we decided we had the odds against us. 

 

We only needed to score the first goal to be in the tie, I'd had been more than happy to go to penalties at any point in this tie.

Just to get it straight. I'm not having a go at Shakey and just discussing tactics form a purely speculative point of view.

 

I can't believe that people still believe we would have kept a clean sheet. We'd never made to the pens. Never. The team would have been dead in the extra time and they'd have properly finished us.

 

Keeping a clean sheet was not the priority. Scoring was. Atletico couldn't care less if they got away with a 0-0. We had to score (at least) two. Yeah, the odds were against that's why we had nothing to lose. No one was expecting us at this level of the competition, everything was bonus, so why hesitate? Why not go all the way?

 

Our only chance was to score first and take control of the. But to score first, first you have to score. By playing with the hand brake there was no chance to get a goal. We gave them hell in the second, yet could only score one. They were always in control. In the ropes but never down. And ultimately went through.

 

It was a great game, but I'm under the Impression that there was room for more.

[ozvaldo]

he's so dull, i bet he struggles to make his wife cum.

 

ban me.  i deserve it.  

[Melbourne Fuchs]

2 hours ago, Walkers said:

a handful of salt

[EGBFitness]

Does anyone take him or Dixon seriously? There isn't many pundits out there that talk any sense but ITV is really poor. 

 

Keane seemed very upset we didn't go all out from the start (tactical suicide with Atleticos counter attack), probably why he can't get a managerial job anymore. 

 

Dixon suggested we should get replace the whole defence. I'm sure a lot would of agreed with him a few months ago, struggle to imagine he actually watched the game and the past few months to see how well we have defended. Bizarre suggestion to think a club would also consider replace their whole back line in one transfer window too. 

 

Both of of them seemed bitter and clearly upset about something  

[Gerard]

21 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Just to get it straight. I'm not having a go at Shakey and just discussing tactics form a purely speculative point of view.

 

I can't believe that people still believe we would have kept a clean sheet. We'd never made to the pens. Never. The team would have been dead in the extra time and they'd have properly finished us.

 

Keeping a clean sheet was not the priority. Scoring was. Atletico couldn't care less if they got away with a 0-0. We had to score (at least) two. Yeah, the odds were against that's why we had nothing to lose. No one was expecting us at this level of the competition, everything was bonus, so why hesitate? Why not go all the way?

 

Our only chance was to score first and take control of the. But to score first, first you have to score. By playing with the hand brake there was no chance to get a goal. We gave them hell in the second, yet could only score one. They were always in control. In the ropes but never down. And ultimately went through.

 

It was a great game, but I'm under the Impression that there was room for more.

 

If you gave me an option if you could guarantee me that we either score or have a clean sheet I'd have took the clean sheet and took my chances on it.

 

I still maintain we were more likely to keep a clean sheet than score 3+ goals.

[glenny_fox]

59 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

I really like Keano and see nothing wrong with what he said. End of the day someone needed to stop that ball coming in. I think Mahrez since its the left back crossing.

 

But our tactics have always been to invite the crosses in as 99 times out of a hundred the defence clears it. We did it all of last last. See then out wide let them cross it, clear it, start counter. 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

Why do so many of you always have to go to the extremes, and think things can 'never' happen?  It's not like that in football.

 

"We were never going to keep a clean sheet against Atletico Madid".

Says who? 

Even with 50,000 fans roaring them on, they only got one goal against us in Madrid thanks to a dodgy penalty.

We could have kept a clean sheet at home.   But as it happens, we didn't.

 

"We were never going to score 3 goals against Atletico Madrid".

Says who?

The same people who said Leicester City would never stay top of the Premier League and win it?

In the 2nd half, Atletic Madrid could barely believe what had hit them.  If the 2nd effort from Vardy had gone in (or Ulloa's decent effort), there is no way you can say we wouldn't have got a 3rd.   

Even decent defenders can get a bit jittery when a 2 goal lead becomes a one goal lead.   Look at us home to Swansea or Bruges this season.   And besides, you are more likely to get goals towards the end of a dramatic, chaotic 2nd half.    And the way we were gambling and throwing lots forward, meant there was every chance if we got a 2nd ... we could get a 3rd.

Don't get me wrong, if we'd got 2 more goals in the 2nd half, AM may have broken away and got themselves another goal.  They may have.  They may not have.   You just can't say something reasonable definitely would never happen.

 

 

 

[Sharpe's Fox]

6 minutes ago, glenny_fox said:

 

But our tactics have always been to invite the crosses in as 99 times out of a hundred the defence clears it. We did it all of last last. See then out wide let them cross it, clear it, start counter. 

Well that makes no sense whatsoever. Clearing the ball is a last resort, stopping teams from playing through the middle is different to letting teams continually smash quality balls into the six yard box.

[Grewks]

We didn't wake up too late at all.

 

We were guilty in both legs of actually being too open, too early.

 

 

Although it wasn't a penalty in the first leg, we should not be getting done on the counter at 0-0 in a champions league away match.

 

Then, under a week later, we failed to learn the lesson and conceded within the first 30 minutes, again on the counter attack.

 

 

We were guilty of not being tight enough.

[Grewks]

28 minutes ago, glenny_fox said:

 

But our tactics have always been to invite the crosses in as 99 times out of a hundred the defence clears it. We did it all of last last. See then out wide let them cross it, clear it, start counter. 

That isn't true.

 

Our tactics have been to allow crosses, but only when they're the 'lesser of two evils'.

 

The cross should have been closed down by Mahrez. Doing so would not have 'left the side/him out of position', it was just laziness.

[Blue ROI]

Not too much of a problem with Keane's opinion. We got plenty of fair praise from elsewhere.

 

It was a fair enough point wrt to the goal.

 

Far more tolerable than what Souness said.

[Number 6]

I thought Shakespeare nailed it across the two legs tbh. Clearly second leg wanted to keep us in it and we were creating chances before Atletico scored so not like we'd parked the bus.

 

Atletico goals actually came after we had a decent spell in both games.

[FoxinNotts]

Did we embarrass ourselves? - definitely not.

 

Would we have embarrassed ourselves if Roy Keane was our manager for that one game? - 100% yes. It would have been a landslide scoreline. The man is a simpleton.

[Guest worth_the_wait]

It wasn't so much the accuracy of the odd comment Keane made.  Of course, we could've done better in preventing their goal.

 

It was more the total one-sided patronising snide negativity coming from him and Dixon.  or to be more accurate, the total disinterest.

 

It was there early on when we won the group, with Dixon's snide comment about it being "the easiest group in the history of the competition".   It was only "easy looking" because Leicester were in it!

 

The pair of clowns were forced to say something slightly complimentary after beating Sevilla ... as they had no real choice then ... although they did try to go on an on about an alleged Vardy dive.   So even then they were doing their best to find any possible negative.

 

But the 2 legs v Atletico showed them in their true colours.  Utterly dismissive of any positive angle on the games ... they just wanted us out of the competition so they could go back to drooling over Barcelona and Batern Munich.   Oh I forgot, they got knocked out at the same stage as us.

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Grewks said:

That isn't true.

 

Our tactics have been to allow crosses, but only when they're the 'lesser of two evils'.

 

The cross should have been closed down by Mahrez. Doing so would not have 'left the side/him out of position', it was just laziness.

Disagree...closed down by either  Simpson or Mahrez...Simpson being the defender.Depends on individual perspective.

[Hammo]

I just watched that ITV highlights show. Pinky and Perky would make better analysts than Keane and Dixon.

[BigMicky]

4 hours ago, dynamark said:

Nasty piece of work -as a player I would have loved to play against him and left a few scars.

He is stealing a living at present

 

Haha he would have eaten you alive.

[murphy]

6 hours ago, STUHILL said:

Roy Keane has worked out that like Katie Hopkins, the more outspoken and controversial he is with his statements, the more work he can generate for himself.

He is just a bitter, failed manager who hates the modern game and modern player. 

I don't think he's that clever.  He's just a natural bell end.

[langtonfox]

6 hours ago, Seaton Fox said:

Did anyone see the comments Roy Keane made about the Madrid game .

I think he must have a problem with Leicester . Thought he was a complete dick head with some of his remarks .

i would hate to play under him if he was a manager ,would destroy your confidence in a heartbeat.

 

But he wasn't wrong 

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, langtonfox said:

But he wasn't wrong 

Yes he was. They scored just as we were starting to get into the game and threaten their goal. Clearly he didn't watch anything other than the highlights. His whole attitude was wrong too, like, "are we really still talking about Leicester?!" Well, yes Roy, we are, cos the other English teams couldn't muster enough spirit to get this far and your beloved Man Utd couldn't even qualify in the first place.

 

Also, he was a crap manager.

[onekeithweller]

Roy is Martins devil doll.