Vichai 'considering options' on manager role

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, leicesterlad1989 said:

I don't disagree but my comment was made based on the assumption that Vardy was staying. Out of the current crop of strikers then yes he would be number one should Vardy leave.

 

I honestly want him to succeed as I'm sure we all do. Hopefully with a good preseason he can get up to scratch. Certainly a decent player in there. That missed header thought was shocking. Especially when that's his main attribute.

I just don't see it. Of course I want him to succeed but not seen anything to suggest he's better than Ulloa who gets slated on here

[David Hankey]

I would imagine the owners have a lot to think about. Considering our last 3 league results and a miserly 1 point from a possible 9 with 9 goals conceded it hasn't done Shakespeare any good at all.

 

To progress to the next level we need a manager of greater experience and some players to match. Keeping the same will only result us in mid-table mediocrity next season. The ambition of this Club should be to achieve more than 40 points!!

[Kendal Fox]

As much as I'm thankful to Shakey for keeping us up, I'll be disappointed and already worried for the season ahead, if he is named permanent manager.

 

It wasn't his fault that we had to play 4 games in 10 days due to the ridiculous re-scheduling of fixtures, pretty much rendering our CL campaign over before it was officially over. Or the hangover from the fixture congestion again forcing us to play 3 games in 8 days at the end of the season. Nor was it his fault that we were an injury stricken side going into those last 3 games.

But it was how he reacted when the chips were down that bothered me. After the initial bounce effect pretty much garnered us enough momentum to survive, he was unable to inspire the lads enough to get them out of the rut they were in and we ended the season on a real spiral. He also made some bad decisions before the Everton match. I would have gone shit or bust there. We probably would have beaten them with a near full strength side and gone to Madrid with a real chance of getting something. But instead, he tinkered with a side on a 6 match win streak (I get that it was to keep them fresh, but winning nullifies fatigue) and that for me began the players doubting themselves again...But I digress...

I honestly believe it'll be a bad omen for the new season if we keep Shakespeare on. Also, it was near impossible to attract any elite level players just after we won the title and with a top tier winning manager in Ranieri... Realistically, just who's going to want to come here with an unproven man at the helm and after the negative finish to the season?

We really need to get in a proven manager, attract some decent players and start the new season with renewed optimism... That won't happen if we keep Shakey on in my opinion.

 

[Ian Nacho]

4 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

As much as I'm thankful to Shakey for keeping us up, I'll be disappointed and already worried for the season ahead, if he is named permanent manager.

 

It wasn't his fault that we had to play 4 games in 10 days due to the ridiculous re-scheduling of fixtures, pretty much rendering our CL campaign over before it was officially over. Or the hangover from the fixture congestion again forcing us to play 3 games in 8 days at the end of the season. Nor was it his fault that we were an injury stricken side going into those last 3 games.

But it was how he reacted when the chips were down that bothered me. After the initial bounce effect pretty much garnered us enough momentum to survive, he was unable to inspire the lads enough to get them out of the rut they were in and we ended the season on a real spiral. He also made some bad decisions before the Everton match. I would have gone shit or bust there. We probably would have beaten them with a near full strength side and gone to Madrid with a real chance of getting something. But instead, he tinkered with a side on a 6 match win streak (I get that it was to keep them fresh, but winning nullifies fatigue) and that for me began the players doubting themselves again...But I digress...

I honestly believe it'll be a bad omen for the new season if we keep Shakespeare on. Also, it was near impossible to attract any elite level players just after we won the title and with a top tier winning manager in Ranieri... Realistically, just who's going to want to come here with an unproven man at the helm and after the negative finish to the season?

We really need to get in a proven manager, attract some decent players and start the new season with renewed optimism... That won't happen if we keep Shakey on in my opinion.

 

Spot on.

[Detroit Blues]

8 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

As much as I'm thankful to Shakey for keeping us up, I'll be disappointed and already worried for the season ahead, if he is named permanent manager.

 

It wasn't his fault that we had to play 4 games in 10 days due to the ridiculous re-scheduling of fixtures, pretty much rendering our CL campaign over before it was officially over. Or the hangover from the fixture congestion again forcing us to play 3 games in 8 days at the end of the season. Nor was it his fault that we were an injury stricken side going into those last 3 games.

But it was how he reacted when the chips were down that bothered me. After the initial bounce effect pretty much garnered us enough momentum to survive, he was unable to inspire the lads enough to get them out of the rut they were in and we ended the season on a real spiral. He also made some bad decisions before the Everton match. I would have gone shit or bust there. We probably would have beaten them with a near full strength side and gone to Madrid with a real chance of getting something. But instead, he tinkered with a side on a 6 match win streak (I get that it was to keep them fresh, but winning nullifies fatigue) and that for me began the players doubting themselves again...But I digress...

I honestly believe it'll be a bad omen for the new season if we keep Shakespeare on. Also, it was near impossible to attract any elite level players just after we won the title and with a top tier winning manager in Ranieri... Realistically, just who's going to want to come here with an unproven man at the helm and after the negative finish to the season?

We really need to get in a proven manager, attract some decent players and start the new season with renewed optimism... That won't happen if we keep Shakey on in my opinion.

 

 

Shakey was the manager of the club for 16 matches, and you want to just base his performance on the last 3?

 

Even considering his poor luck in that 3 game run, which should have netted 4 points instead of 1, he collected 23 points in 13 premier league matches. If that form kept up all season, we would have had 67 points and qualified for the Europa League.

[Stadt]

In the time Shakey has been in charge I don't think anybody could have done any better, we've got a poor squad that was hit with injuries to key players; we were always going to struggle. In his interviews he's came across of very self critical, even when we went on the winning run. He's learnt a lot and I think he'll continue learning too and with his attitude and coaching skill I think he's got a very high ceiling.

 

My biggest reservation is the summer window but seeing as he's not had a chance at bringing players in it's unfair to use it as a stick to beat him with. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

49 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

As much as I'm thankful to Shakey for keeping us up, I'll be disappointed and already worried for the season ahead, if he is named permanent manager.

 

It wasn't his fault that we had to play 4 games in 10 days due to the ridiculous re-scheduling of fixtures, pretty much rendering our CL campaign over before it was officially over. Or the hangover from the fixture congestion again forcing us to play 3 games in 8 days at the end of the season. Nor was it his fault that we were an injury stricken side going into those last 3 games.

But it was how he reacted when the chips were down that bothered me. After the initial bounce effect pretty much garnered us enough momentum to survive, he was unable to inspire the lads enough to get them out of the rut they were in and we ended the season on a real spiral. He also made some bad decisions before the Everton match. I would have gone shit or bust there. We probably would have beaten them with a near full strength side and gone to Madrid with a real chance of getting something. But instead, he tinkered with a side on a 6 match win streak (I get that it was to keep them fresh, but winning nullifies fatigue) and that for me began the players doubting themselves again...But I digress...

I honestly believe it'll be a bad omen for the new season if we keep Shakespeare on. Also, it was near impossible to attract any elite level players just after we won the title and with a top tier winning manager in Ranieri... Realistically, just who's going to want to come here with an unproven man at the helm and after the negative finish to the season?

We really need to get in a proven manager, attract some decent players and start the new season with renewed optimism... That won't happen if we keep Shakey on in my opinion.

 

Nailed it

[Kendal Fox]

32 minutes ago, Detroit Blues said:

 

Shakey was the manager of the club for 16 matches, and you want to just base his performance on the last 3?

 

Even considering his poor luck in that 3 game run, which should have netted 4 points instead of 1, he collected 23 points in 13 premier league matches. If that form kept up all season, we would have had 67 points and qualified for the Europa League.

No, I'm basing it on his last 8 and like I said, I am truly grateful to CS for keeping us up.

But I don't see him being the right man for the job long-term, and I don't see us making the quality signings we badly need to make with him in charge.

 

There were several instances, during the initial run of wins, and after, in which I thought some of his decison making was questionable. Like I said, I think the bounce effect had much to do with the majority of the points we banked in order to secure safety. After those 5 PL wins, we only won 2 more games out of 8...

 

That has to raise red flags as to the security of installing Shakespeare.

[Nickfosse]

2 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

No, I'm basing it on his last 8 and like I said, I am truly grateful to CS for keeping us up.

But I don't see him being the right man for the job long-term, and I don't see us making the quality signings we badly need to make with him in charge.

 

There were several instances, during the initial run of wins, and after, in which I thought some of his decison making was questionable. Like I said, I think the bounce effect had much to do with the majority of the points we banked in order to secure safety. After those 5 PL wins, we only won 2 more games out of 8...

 

That has to raise red flags as to the security of installing Shakespeare.

So who is the proven manager you want that is a better choice than Shakespeare?

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

I don't know Shakey and can only see what he has done here recently, previously and his footballing and management/ coaching CV.

 

Whilst you can not deny what he has done since joining the club twice as a coach, his playing and former coaching quality is not that great. yeah, I know that doesn't always stop you being a good manager.

 

He has picked up the mantle since Claudio left and reverted back to the 'old guard' players and style - tried and tested. In any industry or business the number two can step up to the mantle, but for how long.

 

Love to see the guy carry on being head coach and avoiding being fired at some point that in football is inevitable.

 

Rudkin is not a football brain, which would mean assuming additions are below would mean Craig alongside a goalkeeping coach would be as high as we go with footballing input?

 

I don't think this is good enough. and watching the Helicopter head to one of two Leah jets I think the owners would be looking higher.

 

 

 

[st albans fox]

If they don't feel they can trust shakey then they should be pushing the boat out for Benitez. 

[Nickfosse]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If they don't feel they can trust shakey then they should be pushing the boat out for Benitez. 

Hasn't he already committed himself to Newcastle for next season?

[Kendal Fox]

11 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

So who is the proven manager you want that is a better choice than Shakespeare?

I'm not a massive fan of Mancini as a person. But he's proven at elite level and his reputation could help us clinch some quality signings - something we badly need if we are to challenge for a top 6 place.

 

We have a billionaire owner who can more than afford the wages of a top manager. Surely it's worth renewing interest in Mancini to start with, even see if it stirs up interest in other big names.

[mozartfox]

Frankly whoever the manager is could be irrevalent if the current numbties remain in charge of recruitment and scouting.. To move on, we need to get both right and quick.. One without the other and we are destined for another poor season.

[volpeazzurro]

43 minutes ago, Wookie said:

In the time Shakey has been in charge I don't think anybody could have done any better, we've got a poor squad that was hit with injuries to key players; we were always going to struggle. In his interviews he's came across of very self critical, even when we went on the winning run. He's learnt a lot and I think he'll continue learning too and with his attitude and coaching skill I think he's got a very high ceiling.

 

My biggest reservation is the summer window but seeing as he's not had a chance at bringing players in it's unfair to use it as a stick to beat him with. 

But do we need somebody that's 'still learning' at helm of a multi million pound business at arguably a difficult transition crossroads. If things start to go wrong, what managerial expertise has he got to fall back on. Being a good coach and very friendly with the playing staff isn't quite enough imo.  He's done  very well to keep us up but that's all he has done with players that are arguably better than a number of teams below us. I'm sure we're all very grateful but don't need to get carried away. By definition, our near demise can't solely be put on the shoulders of one scapegoat ie Ranieri. The players, Shakespeare and the rest of the management team were all culpable to some extent even if it was to a lesser degree.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

16 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If they don't feel they can trust shakey then they should be pushing the boat out for Benitez. 

Why would he leave Newcastle? 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Kendal Fox said:

As much as I'm thankful to Shakey for keeping us up, I'll be disappointed and already worried for the season ahead, if he is named permanent manager.

 

It wasn't his fault that we had to play 4 games in 10 days due to the ridiculous re-scheduling of fixtures, pretty much rendering our CL campaign over before it was officially over. Or the hangover from the fixture congestion again forcing us to play 3 games in 8 days at the end of the season. Nor was it his fault that we were an injury stricken side going into those last 3 games.

But it was how he reacted when the chips were down that bothered me. After the initial bounce effect pretty much garnered us enough momentum to survive, he was unable to inspire the lads enough to get them out of the rut they were in and we ended the season on a real spiral. He also made some bad decisions before the Everton match. I would have gone shit or bust there. We probably would have beaten them with a near full strength side and gone to Madrid with a real chance of getting something. But instead, he tinkered with a side on a 6 match win streak (I get that it was to keep them fresh, but winning nullifies fatigue) and that for me began the players doubting themselves again...But I digress...

I honestly believe it'll be a bad omen for the new season if we keep Shakespeare on. Also, it was near impossible to attract any elite level players just after we won the title and with a top tier winning manager in Ranieri... Realistically, just who's going to want to come here with an unproven man at the helm and after the negative finish to the season?

We really need to get in a proven manager, attract some decent players and start the new season with renewed optimism... That won't happen if we keep Shakey on in my opinion.

 

How many points exactly were you expecting to take from Everton away, Arsenal away, Spurs at home and Man City at home, whilst having to play weakened teams in the last two?

 

We were a missed penno and a last minute goal away from picking up a could of points which would have been a more than respectable return. But the top 7 are well above us this year, so I don't think we should have been expecting much at all from them. Other than those games we've beaten every team we've faced except Bournemouth, who we should have beaten but for a lino error.

 

The mini league he's taken control of for us he's done as much as most could hope for, if not more.

[Nickfosse]

12 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

I'm not a massive fan of Mancini as a person. But he's proven at elite level and his reputation could help us clinch some quality signings - something we badly need if we are to challenge for a top 6 place.

 

We have a billionaire owner who can more than afford the wages of a top manager. Surely it's worth renewing interest in Mancini to start with, even see if it stirs up interest in other big names.

Personally, I'd have more worries with Mancini in charge than Shakespeare. 

[dylanlegend]

The thing that worries me the most about appointing a new guy is if they change things too much. 

 

Ranieri did well cos he didn't change much, then he starts to change and we are staring relegation in the face. 

 

Whos to say we get a new man in, he changes a load of stuff and all the 'core' ethics and hard work of building a decent team is gone.

 

It happened with Peter Taylor, it started to happen with Sven (undoing all the good work of Pearson) 

 

As fans we tasted huge success last season but we need to realise that isn't sustainable for a club of our size (unless we are willing to invest mega bucks). 

 

I would be quite happy next year with a top 10 finish, adding a bit of quality, and ideally making a cup final. 

 

Maybe it wont be as 'exciting' for everyone if Shakey gets the job but for me it would guarantee some stability and I actually think we have been very solid under his stewardship. 

[Babylon]

29 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

No, I'm basing it on his last 8 and like I said, I am truly grateful to CS for keeping us up.

But I don't see him being the right man for the job long-term, and I don't see us making the quality signings we badly need to make with him in charge.

 

There were several instances, during the initial run of wins, and after, in which I thought some of his decison making was questionable. Like I said, I think the bounce effect had much to do with the majority of the points we banked in order to secure safety. After those 5 PL wins, we only won 2 more games out of 8...

 

That has to raise red flags as to the security of installing Shakespeare.

So you were expecting a lot more than that against that run of teams? It was hardly an easy final run of games was it, and we took about what you'd expect considering. 

[Nickfosse]

10 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Frankly whoever the manager is could be irrevalent if the current numbties remain in charge of recruitment and scouting.. To move on, we need to get both right and quick.. One without the other and we are destined for another poor season.

As far as I can make out, the current numbties have only made two signings, N'Didi and Wague on loan. 

I think that N'Didi has been instrumental in keeping us up. Impossible to comment on Wague as he was injured in his first game.

do they not deserve credit for the N'Didi signing?

[Stadt]

9 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

But do we need somebody that's 'still learning' at helm of a multi million pound business at arguably a difficult transition crossroads. If things start to go wrong, what managerial expertise has he got to fall back on. Being a good coach and very friendly with the playing staff isn't quite enough imo.  He's done  very well to keep us up but that's all he has done with players that are arguably better than a number of teams below us. I'm sure we're all very grateful but don't need to get carried away. By definition, our near demise can't solely be put on the shoulders of one scapegoat ie Ranieri. The players, Shakespeare and the rest of the management team were all culpable to some extent even if it was to a lesser degree.

Ranieri had decades of experience but couldn't use his expertise to arrest our terminal decline. Roger Schmidt (I'd actually be pleased with that appointment) has been a manager for quite a few years but couldn't stop Leverkusen's terrible form this season that saw him placed on gardening leave. David Moyes, not that he's being touted for the job thankfully, is hugely experienced but couldn't fall back upon his managerial expertise to turn Sunderland around this season. The fact of the matter is all managers will go through a sticky patch, Shakey's going through one now but how we will we know how he responds unless he gets the job. I'm well aware that appointing him would be a gamble but so would any of the other appointments, Shakespeare's shown enough that he's capable.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

34 minutes ago, Bob Hazels shorts said:

I don't know Shakey and can only see what he has done here recently, previously and his footballing and management/ coaching CV.

 

Whilst you can not deny what he has done since joining the club twice as a coach, his playing and former coaching quality is not that great. yeah, I know that doesn't always stop you being a good manager.

 

He has picked up the mantle since Claudio left and reverted back to the 'old guard' players and style - tried and tested. In any industry or business the number two can step up to the mantle, but for how long.

 

Love to see the guy carry on being head coach and avoiding being fired at some point that in football is inevitable.

 

Rudkin is not a football brain, which would mean assuming additions are below would mean Craig alongside a goalkeeping coach would be as high as we go with footballing input?

 

I don't think this is good enough. and watching the Helicopter head to one of two Leah jets I think the owners would be looking higher.

 

 

 

Isnt it Lear? 

[mozartfox]

12 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

As far as I can make out, the current numbties have only made two signings, N'Didi and Wague on loan. 

I think that N'Didi has been instrumental in keeping us up. Impossible to comment on Wague as he was injured in his first game.

do they not deserve credit for the N'Didi signing?

As far as you can make out?. Ah so everything is Walsh's fault now. Got it.. Yes whoever scouted Ndidi deserves credit. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

19 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

The thing that worries me the most about appointing a new guy is if they change things too much. 

 

Ranieri did well cos he didn't change much, then he starts to change and we are staring relegation in the face. 

 

Whos to say we get a new man in, he changes a load of stuff and all the 'core' ethics and hard work of building a decent team is gone.

 

It happened with Peter Taylor, it started to happen with Sven (undoing all the good work of Pearson) 

 

As fans we tasted huge success last season but we need to realise that isn't sustainable for a club of our size (unless we are willing to invest mega bucks). 

 

I would be quite happy next year with a top 10 finish, adding a bit of quality, and ideally making a cup final. 

 

Maybe it wont be as 'exciting' for everyone if Shakey gets the job but for me it would guarantee some stability and I actually think we have been very solid under his stewardship. 

Not sure finishing 10th, basically the same as this year, would be a good return considering we have finished 2pts off 8th and only been 'at it' half the season.

 

Surely the target has to be 7th on that basis? 

 

The owners will be looking at that I'm sure.