Vichai 'considering options' on manager role

[MrSpaM]

Personally I think we need a fresh start, and that unfortunately means a fresh manager with fresh ideas. It honestly feels like Pearson's ghost is organising our team at the moment, and I'm not at all convinced Shakey is going to be able to attract the calibre of player we need to push on for those European spots next season

 

It's a bit of a gamble really, keep Shakey and we'll probably stay up next season, but that's about as good as it's going to get imo. If we want to be playing in Europe again we need a top European manager to steer us there, who can also bring some quality players to the club

[volpeazzurro]

3 minutes ago, Wookie said:

Ranieri had decades of experience but couldn't use his expertise to arrest our terminal decline. Roger Schmidt (I'd actually be pleased with that appointment) has been a manager for quite a few years but couldn't stop Leverkusen's terrible form this season that saw him placed on gardening leave. David Moyes, not that he's being touted for the job thankfully, is hugely experienced but couldn't fall back upon his managerial expertise to turn Sunderland around this season. The fact of the matter is all managers will go through a sticky patch, Shakey's going through one now but how we will we know how he responds unless he gets the job. I'm well aware that appointing him would be a gamble but so would any of the other appointments, Shakespeare's shown enough that he's capable.

I agree with you that most if not all managers go through a sticky patch and many lose their jobs because of it also. Yes you are also right with it being a gamble but the secret of gambling, which by definition implies that there's risk, is that you try to mitigate that risk by reducing the odds in your favour. If you were talking about a horse or even a financial investment,  you check out the form,  be it good or bad over a period of time .  Depending what's then available you make your choice.  There's not many 5000/1s like Leicester City that come in. We all like a silly tenner bet now and again, but if you were Top and his Dad about to blow another 50+ million plus the risk of losing a hell of a lot more,  I think it would sharpen my mind to reduce the odds!

[st albans fox]

32 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Why would he leave Newcastle? 

He doesn't trust ashley

 

If he jumped, the fans would assume it was because he hadn't receive the right assurances and Rafa wouldn't get any stick

 

If we have to go after a name, he is the only one I wouldn't be 'meh' about. Too many of the others have baggage or are unconvincing.

 

[FoxinNotts]

9 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

Personally I think we need a fresh start, and that unfortunately means a fresh manager with fresh ideas. It honestly feels like Pearson's ghost is organising our team at the moment, and I'm not at all convinced Shakey is going to be able to attract the calibre of player we need to push on for those European spots next season

 

It's a bit of a gamble really, keep Shakey and we'll probably stay up next season, but that's about as good as it's going to get imo. If we want to be playing in Europe again we need a top European manager to steer us there, who can also bring some quality players to the club

Agree, but this would involve a massive re-building job. Not sure anyone's got the stomach for it.

[bald reynard]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

If they don't feel they can trust shakey then they should be pushing the boat out for Benitez. 

 

1 hour ago, Nickfosse said:

Hasn't he already committed himself to Newcastle for next season?

 

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Why would he leave Newcastle? 

One of Benitez's best mates is at City.  Head of Recruitment, Eduardo Macia (the guy who replaced Steve Walsh in the summer), has worked with Benitez for 9 years - for his time at Valencia (Macia was Sporting Director) and most notably, at Liverpool (as Chief Scout).  If Ashley upsets him again (very likely), he might want to work with a better Owner - and team up with Macia once more.

[ozvaldo]

If it's Moyes, I'm off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40003697

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Nickfosse said:

As far as I can make out, the current numbties have only made two signings, N'Didi and Wague on loan. 

I think that N'Didi has been instrumental in keeping us up. Impossible to comment on Wague as he was injured in his first game.

do they not deserve credit for the N'Didi signing?

Wague was scouted years back and we kno. N'Didi was scouted before Mascia ever came in as I think CS discussed us being the best placed to sign him due to the fact we'd been monitoring him a long time.

[Nickfosse]

1 hour ago, mozartfox said:

As far as you can make out?. Ah so everything is Walsh's fault now. Got it.. Yes whoever scouted Ndidi deserves credit. 

Not at all, I've never criticised Walsh once, and didn't in my post. 

[Nickfosse]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Wague was scouted years back and we know. N'Didi was scouted before Mascia ever can in as I think CS discussed us being the best places to sign him due to the fact we'd been monitoring him a long time.

In which case, it's not possible to make any informed judgement on the "present numbties" as they have been called. 

[whitwickfox]

The longer this goes on now the more chance a new manager is coming in

[Suzie the Fox]

11 minutes ago, whitwickfox said:

The longer this goes on now the more chance a new manager is coming in

I tend to agree, although it has only been 24h since the last day of the season so i guess we can still give it a few more days for confirmation. 

 

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, MrSpaM said:

Personally I think we need a fresh start, and that unfortunately means a fresh manager with fresh ideas. It honestly feels like Pearson's ghost is organising our team at the moment, and I'm not at all convinced Shakey is going to be able to attract the calibre of player we need to push on for those European spots next season

 

It's a bit of a gamble really, keep Shakey and we'll probably stay up next season, but that's about as good as it's going to get imo. If we want to be playing in Europe again we need a top European manager to steer us there, who can also bring some quality players to the club

Have to agree. I wouldn't mind him being the manager and I am not that concerned with him after the last few performances with injuries, etc. The thing about attracting good players has me thinking we need someone else. 

[Kendal Fox]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

How many points exactly were you expecting to take from Everton away, Arsenal away, Spurs at home and Man City at home, whilst having to play weakened teams in the last two?

 

We were a missed penno and a last minute goal away from picking up a could of points which would have been a more than respectable return. But the top 7 are well above us this year, so I don't think we should have been expecting much at all from them. Other than those games we've beaten every team we've faced except Bournemouth, who we should have beaten but for a lino error.

 

The mini league he's taken control of for us he's done as much as most could hope for, if not more.

We could have won the Everton away match with a near full strength side.

 

Granted, Shakey was trying to keep certain players fresh. But he could'nt see that it was a bigger risk to change half a team on a 6 match win streak than it was to go shit or bust at Everton, with a near full strength side, and that was the start of a series of bad decisions for me. I worried when I saw the line-up change at Goodison that if he got it wrong, it could potentially derail the rest of the season (including the imminent away leg vs Atletico) and it pretty much did. The killer instinct was gone and I saw players once again doubting themselves.

 

Like I said, we only won 2 further matches after that. With the run we were on and the belief, Everton, Palace and Arsenal probably should have yielded 9 points. Might sound cavalier, but not when you consider how vulnerable those 3 were at the time and how far above them we were in the PL form table.

 

Again, I'm grateful to Shakespeare for keeping us up... But over the course of a 3 month period  - A fairly significant amount of time when you think about it - his decision making, during precarious moments has been 50/50 at best. That's not good enough for me if we are to aim for a top half/bordering on top 6 finish next season.

[Kendal Fox]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

So you were expecting a lot more than that against that run of teams? It was hardly an easy final run of games was it, and we took about what you'd expect considering. 

Yes, we took about what you'd expect if you miss out the performances we put in vs. Liverpool, Hull, Sevilla, West Ham, etc, etc...

Had he not meddled with a winning team and we'd beaten Everton away - Which I'm sure we would have - I'd have expected a lot more and certainly 8th place nailed on. Even if we had lost to Spurs, we'd still have banked enough points.

 

[Gazza M]

I think if Shakey was getting the job, it would have been announced yesterday. So they appear to be unsure. 

[Jacnah]

6 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

Clearly you've not been watching the ones where we've kept clean sheets and he's been impressive.

but I have been watching the ones in which he was awful. I fully agree he has had good games, but hes inconsistent and error prone

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, Jacnah said:

but I have been watching the ones in which he was awful. I fully agree he has had good games, but hes inconsistent and error prone

Which of our centre backs aren't? 

[Kendal Fox]

2 hours ago, Nickfosse said:

Personally, I'd have more worries with Mancini in charge than Shakespeare. 

Like I said, even if sounding him out again provokes interest from other big names I think it's worth a try.

[brucey]

2 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

I think if Shakey was getting the job, it would have been announced yesterday. So they appear to be unsure. 

Shakey has said numerous times that talks with the owners won't happen till the end of the season. They haven't had time for those talks yet. The entire squad + owners + Shakey took a bus straight from the game and went to London for an end-of-season meal together, they were up till 1 am singing karaoke songs. I reckon those talks will happen over the next 3 days or so (similar timeframe to the initial 'manager to end of season' talks) and we'll find out soon enough. I don't think the owners have definitely decided one way or the other, they will want to listen closely to what Shakey has to say first.

[chapero82]

25 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

I tend to agree, although it has only been 24h since the last day of the season so i guess we can still give it a few more days for confirmation. 

 

We were safe with points a while ago now surely if he was going to get it get would have decided by now

[murphy]

On 2017-5-21 at 17:50, HankMarvin said:

Why would he leave Everton after just signing and finishing 6th?

7th

[Kendal Fox]

1 hour ago, MrSpaM said:

Personally I think we need a fresh start, and that unfortunately means a fresh manager with fresh ideas. It honestly feels like Pearson's ghost is organising our team at the moment, and I'm not at all convinced Shakey is going to be able to attract the calibre of player we need to push on for those European spots next season

 

It's a bit of a gamble really, keep Shakey and we'll probably stay up next season, but that's about as good as it's going to get imo. If we want to be playing in Europe again we need a top European manager to steer us there, who can also bring some quality players to the club

That's what I'm talking about.

We should'nt forget that we've only just handed the Premier League trophy over to Chelsea. Just doing enough to survive - emulating the likes of Sunderland for 6 years, or West Brom isn't good enough.

[MPH]

2 hours ago, MrSpaM said:

Personally I think we need a fresh start, and that unfortunately means a fresh manager with fresh ideas. It honestly feels like Pearson's ghost is organising our team at the moment, and I'm not at all convinced Shakey is going to be able to attract the calibre of player we need to push on for those European spots next season

 

It's a bit of a gamble really, keep Shakey and we'll probably stay up next season, but that's about as good as it's going to get imo. If we want to be playing in Europe again we need a top European manager to steer us there, who can also bring some quality players to the club

 

 

You mean like Ranieri earlier this season?

[justfoxes]

Rafa is a great shout to replace Claudio/shakey and he has worked miracles with Newcastle got them playing some really decent football plus he has plenty of Experience !

Hearing others say shakey couldn't motivate them to put out decent performances since being safe in the league we've had a few good displays  but the last two, we've played plenty of better games and had better results but I feel the Spurs loss and the poor display last game of the season has gone against him for the full time role!!

We need to sort out the management role now as we can't afford to lose some of our key players so this needs sorting now we've finished the season we can't let another week go by without putting someone in charge.

I really hope I'm wrong by thinking we won't hear about a new manager for a couple of weeks which will be awful business for the club for both retention of our top players and bringing in new players !!

[AmarteyAndChill]

Just now, justfoxes said:

Rafa is a great shout to replace Claudio/shakey and he has worked miracles with Newcastle got them playing some really decent football plus he has plenty of Experience !

Hearing others say shakey couldn't motivate them to put out decent performances since being safe in the league we've had a few good displays  but the last two, we've played plenty of better games and had better results but I feel the Spurs loss and the poor display last game of the season has gone against him for the full time role!!

We need to sort out the management role now as we can't afford to lose some of our key players so this needs sorting now we've finished the season we can't let another week go by without putting someone in charge.

I really hope I'm wrong by thinking we won't hear about a new manager for a couple of weeks which will be awful business for the club for both retention of our top players and bringing in new players !!

He got them relegated, spent a fortune to get them back up & they were lucky to get top 2. They only got 94 points this season, we got 102...