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Vichai 'considering options' on manager role

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Filberts lovechild

Filberts lovechild

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Only concern giving it Shakey is if we have a bad run and he gets the boot; I'd like him to stay at the club in some capacity. Give him the job tho ffs, fed up of the bias against English managers / they can't attract the big players stuff. End of the day a manager says I want you, you'll play in the richest league in the world for a club that has recently won the league with ambitions for Europe this year, only teams already in Europe can compete with that offer, not about the bloody manager.

 

Need a good backroom behind him, would love Phillips back

Babylon

Babylon

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54 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

We could have won the Everton away match with a near full strength side.

 

Granted, Shakey was trying to keep certain players fresh. But he could'nt see that it was a bigger risk to change half a team on a 6 match win streak than it was to go shit or bust at Everton, with a near full strength side, and that was the start of a series of bad decisions for me. I worried when I saw the line-up change at Goodison that if he got it wrong, it could potentially derail the rest of the season (including the imminent away leg vs Atletico) and it pretty much did. The killer instinct was gone and I saw players once again doubting themselves.

 

Like I said, we only won 2 further matches after that. With the run we were on and the belief, Everton, Palace and Arsenal probably should have yielded 9 points. Might sound cavalier, but not when you consider how vulnerable those 3 were at the time and how far above them we were in the PL form table.

 

Again, I'm grateful to Shakespeare for keeping us up... But over the course of a 3 month period  - A fairly significant amount of time when you think about it - his decision making, during precarious moments has been 50/50 at best. That's not good enough for me if we are to aim for a top half/bordering on top 6 finish next season.

You think we should have got 9 points from 3 tough away games, I'm sorry but that's just delusional. 

 

Our form under him has us comfortably top 10 spread over a season. 

urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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10 minutes ago, Filberts lovechild said:

Only concern giving it Shakey is if we have a bad run and he gets the boot; I'd like him to stay at the club in some capacity. Give him the job tho ffs, fed up of the bias against English managers / they can't attract the big players stuff. End of the day a manager says I want you, you'll play in the richest league in the world for a club that has recently won the league with ambitions for Europe this year, only teams already in Europe can compete with that offer, not about the bloody manager.

 

Need a good backroom behind him, would love Phillips back

I've held this view since he took over as interim - he's too important a figure in the club to risk having to sack if it goes tits up.

 

The club pulled off a masterstroke in 2015 by sacking Pearson and retaining Walsh and Shakey - but also in making it clear to Claudio that they came with the job. Sadly we've lost Walshy now but moving forward, that will surely have to be the same caveat for a new manager.

 

It's imperative that he stays whatever happens.

WigstonWanderer

WigstonWanderer

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2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

He doesn't trust ashley

 

If he jumped, the fans would assume it was because he hadn't receive the right assurances and Rafa wouldn't get any stick

 

If we have to go after a name, he is the only one I wouldn't be 'meh' about. Too many of the others have baggage or are unconvincing.

 

Must admit I'd be happy with him, mostly because I like the way he was prepared to get his hands dirty in the Championship. Most Name managers would have legged it.

MrSpaM

MrSpaM

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1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

 

You mean like Ranieri earlier this season?

Teams have sussed out the tactics that won us the league also so doing this indefinitely is only going to get us so far. Just think now is the time to start injecting something new into our game that's all

Legend_in_blue

Legend_in_blue

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If we continue to persist with Shakespeare in charge we will stagnate as a football club.  We won't develop tactically and we're more than likely to regress imo as and when players leave.

 

The only constant in football is change - we've gone against that for too long a period of time, albeit doing very well for ourselves in an extraordinary perfect run, continuing to persist with what we know, with little to no diffierence in our approach.  We need to freshen it up.  We need a change.  Many teams have sussed us out and we don't appear to have an answer to it, to be able to adapt our play and to force the game onto other teams.  Yesterday was another classic example of a need to work hard to get back into the game.  We can't continue to play like this.  It's too limiting and it will end up with us midtable.  Again.

 

We're behind in the transfer dealings.  We're effectively two windows down on where we should be.  Hence the need to bring in at least 5 or 6 players who need to hit the ground running for us to make up lost time on our poor efforts of last season.

 

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  Well, it's broke, in more than one or two places.  It needs fixing.

 

Bring in a fresh face, with fresh ideas and have Shakespeare on the coaching side of things, doing what he knows best.

 

MPH

MPH

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27 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

Teams have sussed out the tactics that won us the league also so doing this indefinitely is only going to get us so far. Just think now is the time to start injecting something new into our game that's all

 

 

I think we need some new players, for sure.... but i wouldn't make wholesale changes to our tactics.. tweak it here and there, maybe...

foxes21

foxes21

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4 hours ago, MrSpaM said:

I'm not at all convinced Shakey is going to be able to attract the calibre of player we need to push on for those European spots next season

 

 

You don't need a well known manager to sign the right players that fit your style of play, you need good scouts and recruits. Hopefully we already have those.

 

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Personally I think we need a fresh start, and that unfortunately means a fresh manager with fresh ideas.

 

Imagine Arsenal jumping from Wenger to Simeone, two completely different managers. Simeone would have to replace most of the squad and bring in new staff and youth, just to implement his own methods.

 

A fresh start and fresh idea, isn't that easy. It would take years for us to change to a different style of play, because the foundations have already been laid for our current set of tactics. Like Kitchandro said, our current style of play is what will make us successful because its the polar opposite of the big clubs.

 

Diverting away from our style of play with fresh ideas, will just make us a poor mans Chelsea, Arsenal, or whoever else our new manager wants us to play like.

 

Therefore it is essential we stick to what we know and how we like to play. We must make natural, organic improvements to our game, like keeping possession, utilising wing backs correctly, etc. Our style of play doesn't need to change, but it can be improved in certain areas.

 

The new manager with fresh ideas, worries me. Because that most likely means diverting away from our style of play.

Suzie the Fox

Suzie the Fox

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2 hours ago, chapero82 said:

We were safe with points a while ago now surely if he was going to get it get would have decided by now

I dont think so.. He has said on many occasions publicly (like every interview.) The owners have give him it till end of season and will make have their discussions after. I guess thats what they are doing .. its the right choice in my opinion.  

progmusfreak

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I know that the owners want to have a top club ASAP, but they are on the losing side either way:

1. If they hire a big name, there is no chance that the club stays the same. First, big names always take their assistants, thus leaving Shakespeare jobless. No chance both share the status quo. Second, many players would feel that Leicester is no longer their beloved club, and will leave. They will leave in numbers, I am afraid, changing the core of the team. Third, the new manager will want to get expensive players, so as to meet the expectations for big results. History has proved that massive overhaul is never successful, even if you pay hundreds of millions. Given that, it is very probable that the new manager steers the club into a relegation battle long before year-end. What next - a new manager (probably Shakespeare if available), and one more year lost in daydreaming.

2. If they keep Shakespeare, it will be because no other option is available at the moment, and on condition that he will be replaced at earliest convenience. I am sure that he will keep the team out of the relegation battle, but there is no chance to aim for the top. The positive is that at the moment the club needs strengthening without risk, and Shakespeare can achieve this. He will rely on the same style (Vardy) with minor acquisitions, more youngsters, retained spirit (and fans!).    

 

In short, every other option but Shakespeare will be hazardous and leaving him will be a step back for the owners ambitions. No win situation for them. 

As a fan, I prefer the second option. Building your own club on the solid foundations (title!) is more satisfactory than trying to buy a success.

 

volpeazzurro

volpeazzurro

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2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

I've held this view since he took over as interim - he's too important a figure in the club to risk having to sack if it goes tits up.

 

The club pulled off a masterstroke in 2015 by sacking Pearson and retaining Walsh and Shakey - but also in making it clear to Claudio that they came with the job. Sadly we've lost Walshy now but moving forward, that will surely have to be the same caveat for a new manager.

 

It's imperative that he stays whatever happens.

Firstly I'm not saying that you're wrong and I don't see what managerial options are out there anyway at the moment but...

 

Certain top managers like to have and feel confident with their own trusted team around them. I suspect that was the case for example with Nigel Pearson and as a team, he and his backroom staff were very successful for us. Would Pearson have come if essentially the owners said you've got to dump Shakespeare, we've got our own man for you to work with? Also, would Pearson have been such a success without Shakespeare and his staff to help carry out his methods of working? 

 

If you were the potential new manager, would it not cross your mind that the last managerial incumbent lost his job despite winning the Premiership at the club and, when things had started to go wrong, the players, who were very tight with their coach, backed him and not their manager? I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but would it cross your mind. Would you also wonder whether should the players not like you or your methods, they may go running to 'their' man again? 

 

If I was a decent manager, part of the reason I might be successful would be my own choice of backroom staff together with my history of working, I wouldn't want any ghosts around the place. I think to absolutely insist that any new manager has to work with Shakespeare would severely limit our owners options. I am not saying necessarily that I want Shakespeare out, just that I could understand it if it happened and that it would be business and not personal as the Mafia say.

volpeazzurro

volpeazzurro

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29 minutes ago, Poznan34 said:

Watford in for Schmidt: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/watford-manager-news-roger-schmidt-bayer-leverkusen-replace-walter-mazzarri-a7750301.html

 

Could be an option if we don't keep Shakey and Watford don't get him first. 

His style, not unlike Klopp's at Dortmund, doesn't seem that  unsimilar to what we do now. It wouldn't necessarily mean too many wholesale changes. He may even want to keep Shakey because of that. He may also know some good players to plunder from the Bundesliga. Though if Marhez decided to stay he'd have to train a bit harder and get his arse into gear lol! Don't really know much about him but sounds a good option and you can bet our astute owners know about him.

Stevosevic

Stevosevic

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39 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Doubt Rudkin knows who he is

That is a genuinely a real worry.

 

A very good manager on the continent becomes available and with the pulling power of the premier league - i doubt we've even considered him as they probably don't know who he is.

dylanlegend

dylanlegend

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5 hours ago, MrSpaM said:

Personally I think we need a fresh start, and that unfortunately means a fresh manager with fresh ideas. It honestly feels like Pearson's ghost is organising our team at the moment, and I'm not at all convinced Shakey is going to be able to attract the calibre of player we need to push on for those European spots next season

 

It's a bit of a gamble really, keep Shakey and we'll probably stay up next season, but that's about as good as it's going to get imo. If we want to be playing in Europe again we need a top European manager to steer us there, who can also bring some quality players to the club

I see your point. But I think we are being a bit naive here. Just getting a better calibre manager isn't the answer. Do you really think a player comes in this day and age for the manager? Maybe Pep, Jose or Conte but not someone that we could attract. It's all Money these days.

 

if we want to challenge for Europe we need to compete with teams like Liverpool and that means paying top whack to 10+ players not just a few. We need to invest £200 million plus and prepare to pay players £150k a week. 

 

Look at palace- Benteke is on £100k+ a week, but they will probably be nowhere near Europe next year. 

 

The only hope we have is to try and repeat last season, add a few quality additions and try and keep a compact, tight knit group. As Leicester fans we really have never had it so good as the last few seasons, the only way is down unfortunately.

 

What manager would we even conceivably get in to take us to that 'next level'?

 

Do we really need to 're-build' so much? 

 

Be careful what you wish for. 

dylanlegend

dylanlegend

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16 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

That is a genuinely a real worry.

 

A very good manager on the continent becomes available and with the pulling power of the premier league - i doubt we've even considered him as they probably don't know who he is.

Very good manager? Didn't Bayer finish 12th this season out of 18?

Stevosevic

Stevosevic

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5 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

Very good manager? Didn't Bayer finish 12th this season out of 18?

There's more to consider than that.

 

Poch was sacked as manager of Espanyol when they were bottom of la liga. Didnt make him a bad manager

dylanlegend

dylanlegend

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6 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

There's more to consider than that.

 

Poch was sacked as manager of Espanyol when they were bottom of la liga. Didnt make him a bad manager

I hear ya...

 

Moyes finished last and he's a tactical genius

HighPeakFox

HighPeakFox

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9 hours ago, Kendal Fox said:

After the initial bounce effect pretty much garnered us enough momentum to survive, he was unable to inspire the lads enough to get them out of the rut they were in and we ended the season on a real spiral. 

A rut that started..........when? Immediately after beating Watford 3-0? During Man City away, which could easily have been a draw or a win, where the team went for it in the 2nd half? A rut that was started by a bad gamble failing at home to Spurs? Or the rut that was a poor first half against Bournemouth?

 

Let me know exactly when this chasmic rut was dug, that the team could not be extracted from, please.

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