Babylon Posted 20 July 2017 Share Posted 20 July 2017 Just now, Abrasive fox said: Fairly well documented but he kicked off because Ranieri explicitly told him they wouldn't sign another striker and then they did, and various other promises which were unfulfilled (new contract for one). It was a very personal fall out. Leo is a very popular member of the dressing room. I know, I was only teasing... I tried and failed to make light of it with the smiley emoji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Teapot Posted 20 July 2017 Author Share Posted 20 July 2017 1 minute ago, Babylon said: I know, I was only teasing... I tried and failed to make light of it with the smiley emoji. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 20 July 2017 Share Posted 20 July 2017 6 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: I do get your point but it's Fairly well documented but he kicked off because Ranieri explicitly told him they wouldn't sign another striker and then they did, and various other promises which were unfulfilled (new contract for one). It was a very personal fall out. Leo is a very popular member of the dressing room. I wonder who it was who Ranieri claimed was working behind the scenes to get rid of him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonFox Posted 20 July 2017 Share Posted 20 July 2017 1 hour ago, seenitall said: Hilarious that some think Leo is a better bet than Slim - light years apart in taking chances and I think we've seen the best of Leo, not got close to that with Slimani yet, needs a good manager, over to you Shakey (or your replacement after Xmas) Agreed with you (until the brackets part) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxinNotts Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 Shouldn't sell Slimani. We should have four quality centre forwards to choose from. Ulloa or Shinji should be sold. I see Musa as an attacking winger (good for a 4-2-3-1, as one in the '3') so, not involving him in the striker equation. Okazaki was a good no.10 for a very specific role in a very specific set up during the title win season, but I think we need to adapt now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 I still believe that Slimani is a great forward offering something none of the others do, closest is Ulloa who is a level below and should be sold off to a prem struggler or championship side. It was easy to see the frustration in his play at the end of last season and even in the WBA game. I'd like to keep him and get him regular time but I can't see that with Vardy back to form and Iheanacho coming in. I'd have him off the bench for a change of strategy behind those two. He's certainly far better than Ulloa or Okazaki. However I think with Mahrez on the way out of the door he'll feel alone and I'm not really sure that Shakey has bought into him. If he goes there is no way we get the fee we paid back. I can see him going, and making us pay by excelling with another prem team but I hope he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 Its possible that Shakey hasnt bought into him. But its only speculation about him needing Mahrez to feel comfortable. Speculation fuelled by the fact that they're both Algerian. Pretty obtuse thinking And I remember hearing that Slimani stopped driving to training with Mahrez because Mahrez was always late. He's a grown man, dont think Mahrez is as large a factor in his world as is suggested by some in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 1 minute ago, Worthington said: Totally agree. Have been thinking which forward we could best afford to lose. Gonna upset some, but I'd say Shinji. Honest as the day is long and works harder than just about anyone but, his scoring contribution is borderline poor/average.... What bothers me too is that he hardly ever manages the 'full 90', meaning if he's selected to start, one of our three 'subs' is already spoken for! Been good for us, but can't see him improving! Possibly time for "sayonara" ! There's absolutely no way we should get rid of Shinji. He offers something completely different from the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 We need shinji to stay for this campaign. . If we run into a bad patch of form then he is the key to playing 'our way' which may be required to get us back on track. Also, we haven't seen him able to play a different way as he is always tasked with neutralising the opposition holding midfielders . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxinNotts Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 11 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: There's absolutely no way we should get rid of Shinji. He offers something completely different from the others. 8 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We need shinji to stay for this campaign. . If we run into a bad patch of form then he is the key to playing 'our way' which may be required to get us back on track. Also, we haven't seen him able to play a different way as he is always tasked with neutralising the opposition holding midfielders . Kinda agree, therefore it's time say bye bye to Ulloa, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 Just now, FoxinNotts said: Kinda agree, therefore it's time say bye bye to Ulloa, surely? I don't believe slim will be happy to stay to sit on the bench and be plan B or C leo will thats the fundamental point here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 6 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I don't believe slim will be happy to stay to sit on the bench and be plan B or C leo will thats the fundamental point here I think this is spot on, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s11nny Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 7 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I don't believe slim will be happy to stay to sit on the bench and be plan B or C leo will thats the fundamental point here I would definitely say keep Slimani over Ulloa. However, the more I think about it, it does also make sense to sell him whilst we might still be able to re-coup the money we spent on him. He's 29 and unless he is going to start regularly it doesn't make sense to keep him. Would be nice to see him get a good run in the starting line up with full fitness though but who do u drop...dont see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 32 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: There's absolutely no way we should get rid of Shinji. He offers something completely different from the others. What? A striker who can't score? He's a real hard worker but maybe he should move to midfield then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 19 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I don't believe slim will be happy to stay to sit on the bench and be plan B or C leo will thats the fundamental point here But Leo isn't good enough to sit on the bench anymore. Not if we have top 8 aspirations which we must have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 1 minute ago, FIF said: But Leo isn't good enough to sit on the bench anymore. Not if we have top 8 aspirations which we must have. I agree 100% but the reality is that unless you are going to pay the six figure sums that the top five pay for squad players, good strikers won't want to come and sit on the bench. Spurs have that problem recruiting a backup for Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 Just now, st albans fox said: I agree 100% but the reality is that unless you are going to pay the six figure sums that the top five pay for squad players, good strikers won't want to come and sit on the bench. Spurs have that problem recruiting a backup for Kane. With the silly money in the prem and europe at the moment I don't think paying the salary for rotation players is a problem. If we make it back into europe it's chicken feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 10 minutes ago, FIF said: With the silly money in the prem and europe at the moment I don't think paying the salary for rotation players is a problem. If we make it back into europe it's chicken feed. Paying the money isn't a problem.....persuading top class players to accept a secondary role is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 13 minutes ago, FIF said: What? A striker who can't score? He's a real hard worker but maybe he should move to midfield then. His lack of goalscoring is a major negative, but his energy, work rate and off-the-ball runs enable Vardy to do what he does best. I'm not saying he should be a regular starter - hopefully Iheanacho will be the 1st choice support striker - but for certain types of games Shinji can still be very effective. None of the other strikers can play that role in quite the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 Just now, PaulW said: Paying the money isn't a problem.....persuading top class players to accept a secondary role is. I agree but you don't sell it as a secondary role. It's a rotational role where he is as important as Vards. If he was fit last season I'd like to have seen him replace Vards for the first 70% of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: His lack of goalscoring is a major negative, but his energy, work rate and off-the-ball runs enable Vardy to do what he does best. I'm not saying he should be a regular starter - hopefully Iheanacho will be the 1st choice support striker - but for certain types of games Shinji can still be very effective. None of the other strikers can play that role in quite the same way. I know it sounds like I don't like Okazaki, I do. But if Mahrez plays like last season then we only have Vardy who can actually score. We need our second striker to be a goal threat not a hard working ball chaser. That should be the midfield quartet. In reality Okazaki was playing a midfield role last season and too often the game passed him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 2 minutes ago, FIF said: I agree but you don't sell it as a secondary role. It's a rotational role where he is as important as Vards. If he was fit last season I'd like to have seen him replace Vards for the first 70% of the season. If you'd have done that, we would now have 100+ pages speculating on who Vardy was going to sign for, (again!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox2 Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 59 minutes ago, Worthington said: Totally agree. Have been thinking which forward we could best afford to lose. Gonna upset some, but I'd say Shinji. Honest as the day is long and works harder than just about anyone but, his scoring contribution is borderline poor/average.... What bothers me too is that he hardly ever manages the 'full 90', meaning if he's selected to start, one of our three 'subs' is already spoken for! Been good for us, but can't see him improving! Possibly time for "sayonara" ! Don't think we are ready to not have Shinji. He's our go to guy when we are on a bad run. If in doubt go 442 with Shinji and Vards and we pick up points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 20 minutes ago, FIF said: I agree but you don't sell it as a secondary role. It's a rotational role where he is as important as Vards. If he was fit last season I'd like to have seen him replace Vards for the first 70% of the season. But it isn't rotational at the moment because JV is always going to be one of the first names on the team sheet (like Kane is for Spurs). Decent Players know this and will only accept it if they are being paid 120k+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: But it isn't rotational at the moment because JV is always going to be one of the first names on the team sheet (like Kane is for Spurs). Decent Players know this and will only accept it if they are being paid 120k+ It doesn't need to be rotational if the player is playing well and the team is winning and the player is fit. For me a big problem last season was that when Vardy was shit he was still the first name on the team sheet. If that's the case then we have no hope anyway. The vardy of the last 25% of the season was fantastic the vardy for most of the first 70% shouldn't have been in the team. This is only my opinion please don't start a flame war with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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