HankMarvin Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 14 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: And Musa, Mendy, Amartey, Slimani, Hernandez are? Mendy was CR choice from his time at Monaco, and he wanted him above Kante
Fox92 Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 33 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: And Musa, Mendy, Amartey, Slimani, Hernandez are? Didn't say they were/are but to completely write him off is stupid. He's gone, get over it, no need to slate him. The work he did he should be respected.
AKCJ Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 On 03/07/2017 at 19:42, Col city fan said: He scouted some great players for us. Didn't he also recommend Amartey, Musa and the Spanish fella who went back? He ain't infallible then is he? Amartey has comfortably doubled in value in his time here. Probably even tripled. This is before we've seen him play in what is apparently his favourite positon Musa is the most obvious case of "confidence player" i've ever seen. He's still young and that was his first season in England. Give him time. Hernandez failed to settle into English football and he rarely played in his favourite position. However, I think it was against Porto he put in a near faultless performance. He then went back to Spain and put in a 'How to defend against Neymar, Suarez and Messi' Masterclass as Malaga beat them 2-0. He was clearly a good player.
Gerard Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 2 hours ago, AKCJ said: Amartey has comfortably doubled in value in his time here. Probably even tripled.
Gerard Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 Just now, AKCJ said: We signed him for 5m. £6m wasn't it and I'd happily cash in my chips with Amartey for double let alone treble. Jack of all trades, master of none type player. I don't think he's good enough with the ball to play midfield or strong and nasty enough to play centre back. He might be one of those players who make it in their late 20's though.
AKCJ Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 4 minutes ago, Gerard said: £6m wasn't it and I'd happily cash in my chips with Amartey for double let alone treble. Jack of all trades, master of none type player. I don't think he's good enough with the ball to play midfield or strong and nasty enough to play centre back. He might be one of those players who make it in their late 20's though. 5m and we'd be mental to sell him for less than 15m in this day and age.
Gerard Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 3 minutes ago, AKCJ said: 5m and we'd be mental to sell him for less than 15m in this day and age. He came here 18 months a go with quite a reputation but is a bits and pieces player and no nearer establishing himself as a first team player. If we got the option yo move him on we should take it and it wouldn't take me £15m to accept.
AKCJ Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 25 minutes ago, Gerard said: He came here 18 months a go with quite a reputation but is a bits and pieces player and no nearer establishing himself as a first team player. If we got the option yo move him on we should take it and it wouldn't take me £15m to accept. What on earth would we do that for? He covers 3 positions and is still only 22. You don't get players like that for 15m. He's a very useful squad member.
dylanlegend Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 2 hours ago, AKCJ said: 5m and we'd be mental to sell him for less than 15m in this day and age. I'm sorry football has gone mad recently but no club in their right mind is gonna bid anywhere near 15m for Amartey
Dan Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 9 hours ago, Gerard said: I agree with everything you said there but that still looks like excellent business by Walsh. Pickford and Keane could well be amongst the best players in the league in their positions in the next year or two. Klassen was rated as one of the best players in Holland, Sandro was a steal and they'll make money on him even if he's a total flop here and signing the best young teenagers from places like Belgium won't send you far wrong. Compare that with our business and we've signed Maguire because we couldn't get Keane as Everton have leapfrogged us in the last year. We're probably only signing Iborra because he was offered to us and a rehash of Walsh's ex targets in Deeney. Everton are widening the gap again between them and ourselves. Oh it's streets ahead of what we've done, as much as I think Maguire is a decent signing I still think we'd have done better overall with Walsh - though I think we've had our eye on Maguire since the Walsh days anyway. I thought summer 2015 looked like it was going superbly up until Pearson got sacked. Three signings in about a week (Fuchs, Huth, Okazaki) and the likes of Kante to follow. How it panned out in the end was remarkable really. Our recruitment's been very iffy since that window. There's been the odd good one but we had an extraordinarily good hit ratio with signings under Walsh. Since he's gone it's been pretty shocking.
TheMightySystem Posted 5 July 2017 Posted 5 July 2017 46 minutes ago, dylanlegend said: I'm sorry football has gone mad recently but no club in their right mind is gonna bid anywhere near 15m for Amartey To be fair we sold Schlupp for £12m. Amartey will come good in time although now we are buying Iborra it would be best for him to go on loan to a prem team to gain consistent first team football, unless we plan to go 3 at the back and use him as a cb.
AKCJ Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 7 hours ago, dylanlegend said: I'm sorry football has gone mad recently but no club in their right mind is gonna bid anywhere near 15m for Amartey Jeff Schlupp went for 12m. It's what you pay for young players than can fill multiple positions.
dannythefox Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 One of the best in the country, I'm sure we all miss him. We must move on he's gone to a bigger club and moved back to where his family lives.
dylanlegend Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 47 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Jeff Schlupp went for 12m. It's what you pay for young players than can fill multiple positions. Jeff Schlupp is actually decent. He has pace and power, even Shakey says he wouldn't have sold him. Has Amartey improved his rep since we have signed him? To me he's just showed he's inconsistent and expendable. I can't see how he's worth anymore than we paid for him. maybe I'm wrong but I just can't see any clubs in a transfer meeting saying "we need to get this Amartey lad in" FFS we are struggling to get 30m for Mahrez
CosbehFox Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 The problem with Walsh going isn't necessarily the quality of players I think. We could well be proved wrong by Macia's system but with Walsh there appeared to be medium-term and long-term planning. We had a tactic of watching out for players in their last year of contract and bidding six months away or having them as a Bosman. We knew what type of player we were going for and what position. It appears very scattergun at the moment.
Nickfosse Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 8 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: The problem with Walsh going isn't necessarily the quality of players I think. We could well be proved wrong by Macia's system but with Walsh there appeared to be medium-term and long-term planning. We had a tactic of watching out for players in their last year of contract and bidding six months away or having them as a Bosman. We knew what type of player we were going for and what position. It appears very scattergun at the moment. In my view it's only scattergun if you believe every snippet of news that is circulating. If we take a step back from all that, we've signed a young promising defender from Chester that their fans rave about, a young Premier league experienced defender who is very highly thought of by those who really know about such things, appointed a manager as assistant whose fans are gutted to see go, and likely to sign a midfielder from Seville who their fans describe as the heart and soul of their clubs recent rising success. From that perspective it all looks fairly well thought out to my eye. Having said that, I have no inside insight whatsoever so it could be carnage at the club as far as I know.
AKCJ Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 3 hours ago, dylanlegend said: Jeff Schlupp is actually decent. He has pace and power, even Shakey says he wouldn't have sold him. Has Amartey improved his rep since we have signed him? To me he's just showed he's inconsistent and expendable. I can't see how he's worth anymore than we paid for him. maybe I'm wrong but I just can't see any clubs in a transfer meeting saying "we need to get this Amartey lad in" FFS we are struggling to get 30m for Mahrez Jeff Schlupp isn't decent. He's now Palace's backup left back/winger as he was with us. Teams in the Premier League need players that can play multiple positions and the age adds the extra value. Amartey covers RB, CM and CB and he's never ever whinged about not playing every game. We'd be daft to sell a player like that for less than 15m. I think people just made their minds up with him because he was supposed to be the next Kante (and clearly isn't). I think people forget that he was one of the few that actually made a decent stat to last season as well.
chicagofox Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 4 hours ago, dannythefox said: One of the best in the country, I'm sure we all miss him. We must move on he's gone to a bigger club and moved back to where his family lives. How exactly are they a bigger club? Richer owners, no. Better stadium, no. Recent on-field success, no. Potential fan base, no. Please enlighten me.
Fox92 Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 1 hour ago, chicagofox said: How exactly are they a bigger club? Richer owners, no. Better stadium, no. Recent on-field success, no. Potential fan base, no. Please enlighten me. Everton have played top flight football for the past 60 or so seasons. They have more honours than us - including 9 league titles - of course they're a bigger club than us.
dannythefox Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 1 hour ago, chicagofox said: How exactly are they a bigger club? Richer owners, no. Better stadium, no. Recent on-field success, no. Potential fan base, no. Please enlighten me. If you don't know I'm not going to bother.
Livid Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 I don't think Identifying the targets is our problem, there are numerous threads in this forum of players who I would love to see here. Players given our present financial state should be within our budget. The problem seems to be in agreeing the deal be that with individuals or their clubs. If we don't get two of those mentioned done in this window I think some serious questions need to be asked as to just how ambitious we really are and whether Rudkin is up to the job
st albans fox Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 1 hour ago, chicagofox said: How exactly are they a bigger club? Richer owners, no. Better stadium, no. Recent on-field success, no. Potential fan base, no. Please enlighten me. Only an LCFC fan could ask this
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 6 July 2017 Posted 6 July 2017 18 hours ago, AKCJ said: Amartey has comfortably doubled in value in his time here. Probably even tripled. This is before we've seen him play in what is apparently his favourite positon Musa is the most obvious case of "confidence player" i've ever seen. He's still young and that was his first season in England. Give him time. Hernandez failed to settle into English football and he rarely played in his favourite position. However, I think it was against Porto he put in a near faultless performance. He then went back to Spain and put in a 'How to defend against Neymar, Suarez and Messi' Masterclass as Malaga beat them 2-0. He was clearly a good player. However you dress it they are three failures. That doesn't take away from Walsh finding other gems for us, but here you are defending everything he's done just for the sake of it.
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