Voll Blau Posted 1 August 2017 Posted 1 August 2017 1 hour ago, Wdywd said: If it IS a big deal how come it doesn't affect any other side? Sweden big time difference over there? I don't deny there were more events and stuff, but Hong Kong is further than LA, every other side goes on tours to the Asia and Australia and does far more travelling than we have. It was just a convenient excuse to use when performances went to shit. From Los Angeles TO Stockholm is a big time difference. There were four days between our games in those respective cities, then four days after we were playing in the Charity Shield. You seriously don't think playing that many games in such disparate locations and time zones that close to the start of the season didn't affect us? I'm just not convinced playing that far away from home over pre-season does us any good. Like I say, why would they bother to tell players not to work on HK time if they didn't think it would have a negative impact on them? As someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, conditioning and fitness really is a secondary concern when these kinds of money-spinning friendlies are arranged. They're of no benefit to the squad.
Wdywd Posted 1 August 2017 Posted 1 August 2017 Just now, Voll Blau said: As someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, conditioning and fitness really is a secondary concern when these kinds of money-spinning friendlies are arranged. They're of no benefit to the squad. This bit I completely agree with, I just don't think last year was particularly bad relative to what clubs do now. If travelling in pre season was really a serious problem, everyone in the league would lose every game to start the season. Apart from Burnley, they probably spend the summer in Skegness
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 1 August 2017 Posted 1 August 2017 16 minutes ago, Wdywd said: If it IS a big deal how come it doesn't affect any other side? Evidence please.
Fox92 Posted 1 August 2017 Posted 1 August 2017 7 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Evidence please. He's probably referring to the big clubs. Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea do it every year but still reach their expectations in the league. I prefer local friendlies too - going abroad is all about money and branding - but every club does it. Even League One clubs were abroad. But despite the fact I do prefer local friendlies, I haven't been to any this season because the prices are a disgrace. £15 for Wolves That's half my money for Arsenal next week.
Captain... Posted 1 August 2017 Posted 1 August 2017 35 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Last year we went abroad and it undeniably affected our early season performance. This year we went abroad again, yes to only one time zone but even so the commercial benefits shouldn't come before the condition of the players. Pretty sure we played Oxford last summer as well. This time last season we were still traveling between LA and Sweden to play Barca, less than 2 weeks before the start of the season. We had Barca in Sweden on 3rd, Community Shield on the 7th, start of the season 13th. This season we left Hong Kong 22nd of July, we have had 3 weeks in the UK to prepare for the opening game on the 11th August.
Wdywd Posted 1 August 2017 Posted 1 August 2017 Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said: Evidence please. What is the evidence that it does This summer, from a quick google, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, the Manchester brothers, Spurs, us, WBA, Palace, Everton and Swansea have been to Australia, Asia or the US this summer. Everyone does it, I suspect it will have no impact on how we all do. Either that or Huddersfield are going to mug us all off. (Bournemouth went to Marbella, they probably had the best idea)
AKCJ Posted 1 August 2017 Posted 1 August 2017 59 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Didn't learn our lesson from last season and went abroad again chasing a bit of cash and the chance to flog some shirts. I hope they're getting absolutely beasted daily at the moment or we're going to have another shite first few games. Such a cheap excuse. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-pre-season-fixtures-10394387
Leicester_Numan Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 21 hours ago, Wdywd said: This bit I completely agree with, I just don't think last year was particularly bad relative to what clubs do now. If travelling in pre season was really a serious problem, everyone in the league would lose every game to start the season. Apart from Burnley, they probably spend the summer in Skegness The travel isn't that much of an issue really. The problem with last season as we all know was the lack of games on top of the travel. Pre-season last year should have had 1 more game before the ICC and a midweek friendly in LA instead of a wasted week pratting about with Will Ferrell and showing off the trophy. As a result we started the season way off the pace and as Ranieri admitted, about 70% fitness. Unfortunately, I think that's where Vardy is going to be starting the season from unless there's some magic benefit to being left out of 3 of the last 4 games that we're not aware of.
m4DD0gg Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 21 hours ago, Wdywd said: Last season we played a game in LA, then games in Sweden and Glasgow, not exactly a ****ing world tour was it. It was a dumb excuse for us being rubbish last year and it'll be a dumb one this year. Everyone else manages to go on pre season tours without spontaneously combusting Says a man who clearly knows nothing of training in extreme weather conditions, playing in severe humidity, the mid term impact that jet lag has on the body and the fact the training facilities available were no where near as good as our own. Yeh dumb excuse.
Wdywd Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 2 hours ago, m4DD0gg said: Says a man who clearly knows nothing of training in extreme weather conditions, playing in severe humidity, the mid term impact that jet lag has on the body and the fact the training facilities available were no where near as good as our own. Yeh dumb excuse. Again, if all those things are true, every team who went on these tours would have a problem. I listed 11 in the league who've been on long distance tours this summer. Los Angeles is not a third world country, I think we probably had decent training facilities there. If it is a major issue, then it's affecting half the league and virtually all the teams we want to compete with (only Southampton of the semi-good teams didn't do anything, and they've had a very weird pre season which barely involved any games). So I just don't see how this was or is a reason why we sucked. 2 hours ago, Leicester_Numan said: The travel isn't that much of an issue really. The problem with last season as we all know was the lack of games on top of the travel. Pre-season last year should have had 1 more game before the ICC and a midweek friendly in LA instead of a wasted week pratting about with Will Ferrell and showing off the trophy. As a result we started the season way off the pace and as Ranieri admitted, about 70% fitness. Unfortunately, I think that's where Vardy is going to be starting the season from unless there's some magic benefit to being left out of 3 of the last 4 games that we're not aware of. This is a fair point. I've found the last week where we've been scratching about losing to lower league teams with our reserves extremely weird but maybe there's some master plan behind it.
cc_star Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 Yep, all good - Bit of promotion overseas where it became apparent they were only interested in Mahrez, not LCFC. With players getting 45mins each, then 90mins each with 'lower' quality opposition, then on to 90mins each with 'better' quality opposition. The one thing I'd like to have seen from the manager was trying other tactics and am worried our one dimensional hoof to Vardy is very predictable... & also gives the whole club a single point of failure where if Vardy isn't banging them in & Slimani doing his Darren Anderton impression, we have nothing else to offer. I expect us to setup in the BGM game, pretty much how we'll set up in the Arsenal game, so it will be interesting to see our tactics... But at the end of the day, it's still irrelevant because you cannot recreate the mentality of a fully competitive match
SheppyFox Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 We don't have enough creativity and can't pass the ball to feet unless it's backwards, we can't split defences and rely on hoofball to JV. Until that is remedied with multiple quality purchases in the summer window, it renders everything a failure.
m4DD0gg Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 3 hours ago, Wdywd said: Again, if all those things are true, every team who went on these tours would have a problem. I listed 11 in the league who've been on long distance tours this summer. Los Angeles is not a third world country, I think we probably had decent training facilities there. If it is a major issue, then it's affecting half the league and virtually all the teams we want to compete with (only Southampton of the semi-good teams didn't do anything, and they've had a very weird pre season which barely involved any games). So I just don't see how this was or is a reason why we sucked. This is a fair point. I've found the last week where we've been scratching about losing to lower league teams with our reserves extremely weird but maybe there's some master plan behind it. Because our squad is thread bare thin. The traditional big teams have much more strength in depth to be able to cope with it. I think a lot of the smaller premier league teams who have done the globe trotting in the summer will also experience this same issue we did.
Clever Fox Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 I think preseason has gone ok. But I do believe you need a few lambs to the slaughter. A game or two against lesser opposition were plenty of Goals are scored. It breeds confidence into the Strikers regardless of the opposition. Then when the league starts they're in a positive frame of mind.
simFox Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 3 hours ago, Clever Fox said: I think preseason has gone ok. But I do believe you need a few lambs to the slaughter. A game or two against lesser opposition were plenty of Goals are scored. It breeds confidence into the Strikers regardless of the opposition. Then when the league starts they're in a positive frame of mind. And in our case, we lose to them, smash confidence, lose the 12th man and get bad press.
Old Fox Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 Planning of this preseason is excellent. A bit of travel to take the club worldwide followed by sensible competitive fixtures. The downfall has been the execution of the plan by the players as we've been crap .....yes, many a preseason has counted for not a lot come first game BUT the circumstances (new gaffer, season after two Lord Mayor seasons) with the first 6 games really worries me.... We will know by 10pm on the 11th if it was a good preseason by the manner of the performance at the Emirates......personally a bit concerned....
oadby.fox Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 I could maybe see people's point last season, with the run of games in different timezones and busy schedules with virtually the same 11. However it could only really still be used as an excuse for maybe starting the first, or second game at the most in poor form/fitness. It has been weeks since we were in Hong Kong and so I don't think that it should be an excuse whatsoever come this year. I've been disappointed with our preseason performances in England, we've played against lower opposition and whilst the results don't technically matter it was the nature of the performances which I think worries a lot of people, (then again we do tend to turn up more for the 'big' games). We looked languid and anaemic in the last couple of games and many of the reserves didn't do much to threaten a first team place. Preseason is a good opportunity to build confidence and implement new systems, we also haven't seen any of that. I think that the Mahrez saga is also becoming a huge issue because he or his replacement will be so central to our plans.
CosbehFox Posted 2 August 2017 Posted 2 August 2017 On 01/08/2017 at 09:55, Wdywd said: What is the evidence that it does This summer, from a quick google, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, the Manchester brothers, Spurs, us, WBA, Palace, Everton and Swansea have been to Australia, Asia or the US this summer. Everyone does it, I suspect it will have no impact on how we all do. Either that or Huddersfield are going to mug us all off. (Bournemouth went to Marbella, they probably had the best idea) But very few of them play in different timezones over a short spell of time like we did last summer. For HK, our players were staying up 2am local time to keep their body clocks at around 10pm. It appears weve played The New Saints from Wales this afternoon but no idea if solely a under 23s team
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