Bob Weasel Fox Posted 1 September 2017 Author Posted 1 September 2017 3 hours ago, foxtillidrop said: I agree with you. We have given our premier league winning engine room to chelsea. As a recent winner of the title we should be looking to compete rather than feed our premier league competitors. Yep this is more the point I was trying to make its wrong
ZeGuy Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 4 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: Really? Limit of our ambitions Ranieri got the sentiments right when he said keep dreaming we need to keep dreaming, why not aim big we shouldn't be Chelsea's feeder club and that's my main point who is happy with that? Ranieri kept dreaming whilst setting the bar at 40 points. That killed the momentum, almost got us relegated and got him sacked. Shakey went in full damage control and saved the day. Rudkin pulled his fingers out of his arse and pulled out a great transfer window. We have a very competitive team. The dream's still on and the ambition is there. It just takes time. But if you think that you're going to keep the big sharks at bay in the next seasons, then you're the one who's dreaming.
shen Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 If we are Chelsea's "feeder club" then it's a sign we're doing things right.
Babylon Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 6 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: True to a degree but should be we be trying to match the other clubs ambition? Yeah sure we should... you put in the first billion and we'll crowd fund the rest.
Babylon Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 57 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: Yep this is more the point I was trying to make its wrong There are two things here, what we all want and what is actually realistic. We all want what you are suggesting, but it's just not realistic without a billion or two and a decade to grow. People wishing to throw a billion at a football club are rare... in fact there have only ever been two of them in this country ever. With that in mind, no we can't match them.
MC Prussian Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 Since when are we Chelsea's "feeder club"? Just because we happen to have sold them two of the pillars of our title-winning squad in the space of 12 months? Are Manchester United by the same token our own "feeder club", because we took Danny Drinkwater and Matty James off them? It takes a bit more wheeling and dealing to get there plus one club using the other for its own advantage, and even that over a prolonged period of time. We're miles away from that. Kanté had a release clause they met and Drinkwater wasn't going back to Manchester, so there was only London as an alternative. Heard things are really nice over there. Allegedly.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 1 September 2017 Author Posted 1 September 2017 58 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Ranieri kept dreaming whilst setting the bar at 40 points. That killed the momentum, almost got us relegated and got him sacked. Shakey went in full damage control and saved the day. Rudkin pulled his fingers out of his arse and pulled out a great transfer window. We have a very competitive team. The dream's still on and the ambition is there. It just takes time. But if you think that you're going to keep the big sharks at bay in the next seasons, then you're the one who's dreaming. And where have I said we are going to keep the big sharks at bay? shouldnt stop us trying though should it and dreaming in a positive forward thinking way? Or should it? Just an opinion and I happen to think it's a valid one at that
ZeGuy Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 21 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: And where have I said we are going to keep the big sharks at bay? shouldnt stop us trying though should it and dreaming in a positive forward thinking way? Or should it? Just an opinion and I happen to think it's a valid one at that You're unhappy that a big shark (Chelsea) is "plundering" (lol) us and think that we should be competing with them (lol, as if). Big sharks will always lurk and take players from other teams which neither have the same record nor the same ambitions. That includes us because yes it happens that actually Chelsea are bit bigger than we are. You think we could change that. We can't and you're making a fuss about nothing. The transfer window went better than any of us would've dreamt of. Relegation is a bad dream from the past, which is already great, should you remember where we came from. You make same correct points but you're too greedy and too impatient. You really think that after a one-off regarded as one of the biggest miracle ever in football history, we'd be right away able to compete with clubs which are trusting the first places for DECADES, winning european cups and spending on one player what we spend for a whole team? I'm personnally convinced that if we pull it right, have a good season (top 8) and keep on strenghtening the squad, we could aim for a regular place in the top 8 for the next 5-6 seasons for starters. Then if it works and only if, we can aim higher. The owners are ambitious, but I can't see them wanting us fighting for the top six, three seasons after being in the Championship. Be patient. Therefore... (banter)
Grebfromgrebland Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 Feeding these big clubs means that we probably have some good players. Imagine if no one wanted our players that'll be worse and even worse than that we become spurs feeder club.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 1 September 2017 Author Posted 1 September 2017 46 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: You're unhappy that a big shark (Chelsea) is "plundering" (lol) us and think that we should be competing with them (lol, as if). Big sharks will always lurk and take players from other teams which neither have the same record nor the same ambitions. That includes us because yes it happens that actually Chelsea are bit bigger than we are. You think we could change that. We can't and you're making a fuss about nothing. The transfer window went better than any of us would've dreamt of. Relegation is a bad dream from the past, which is already great, should you remember where we came from. You make same correct points but you're too greedy and too impatient. You really think that after a one-off regarded as one of the biggest miracle ever in football history, we'd be right away able to compete with clubs which are trusting the first places for DECADES, winning european cups and spending on one player what we spend for a whole team? I'm personnally convinced that if we pull it right, have a good season (top 8) and keep on strenghtening the squad, we could aim for a regular place in the top 8 for the next 5-6 seasons for starters. Then if it works and only if, we can aim higher. The owners are ambitious, but I can't see them wanting us fighting for the top six, three seasons after being in the Championship. Be patient. Therefore... (banter) I Appreciate the banter
Innovindil Posted 1 September 2017 Posted 1 September 2017 Can anyone imagine the reaction if we had a transfer window like some of Southampton's past ones. We could have lost most of our starting 11 like they have in the past. We've lost 2 players in 2 years. How on earth anyone can be upset is well beyond me.
Bunyip Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Let me put it this way. If that night when Chelsea played Tottenham we could have had a poll that if Chelsea could stop Tottenham and there buy win us the league, would we have said yes, as long as we don't become a feeder club, or fvck and B -- because they wanted us to win it. Never in my life going to have a down on Chelsea.
Livid Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Kante went ridiculously cheap but I don't think anyone knew how good he truly was and at the time of him signing a £30 million release clause was fair enough. If you lined up Kasper, Vardy, Mahrez and Drinkwater and told me Chelsea were taking one of them for £35 million who's it going to be, I would be sending Drinkwater on his way every single time. He did a good job for us but I think he's replaceable. They got one on the cheap but that was out of our control and one who IMO they've paid over the odds for.
FoxFossil Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Understand the sentiments in this question. It takes time to reposition the club into regular top 6, when we will then be able to hold key players. Title win wasn't really in the plan, it just happened, but taking a longer view, look back to see how far we've come, and project that kind of development forward. Team three years ago compared to now? Wow, really solid progress actually but we are only halfway.
katieakita Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Are Sporting Lisbon happy to be our feeder club? Chelsea have bought 2 players from us an argument is they got them to cheap but in that case what did we get them for. Both players wanted to move on we put good offers on the table to keep them but they wanted to go that is the way with football. We are now classed as an established premier league club and are progressing nicely. We are in a better place than we have ever been thanks to the best owners in English Football who have been mocked and laughed at for some of their claims though not many mock them now. Yes we sold a player who did not want to come here in the first place for 6 x what we paid for him and another for 30 x what we paid for him. Football finances have changed Everton have spent a fortune this summer but is Pickford a better bet than Kasper or Keane better than Maguire, Siggurdsen better than Silva or Rooney better than Iheanacho? personally think we have done really well this summer and are moving along nicely. The press are giving Everton loads of plaudits for a fantastic transfer window as the try to improve yet the team who finished above them last season was Man U happened to saunter in and buy their best player from last season. It is a cruel world this EPL lark but we are doing OK at it
mozartfox Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Monaco and Southampton appear to have survived annual raids on their squads. Realistically, we can only aim to secure the highest fees possible and revamp the the recruiting and scouting set-up. The last two in, in this window most probably 'Walshies'. So we need to concentrate on changing things internally to combat the loss of our future stars by having ready replacements in our sights (in good time) to ensure we are not adversely weakened by further pillaging. Plus we need to ship out the dead wood pronto and be more careful not to make the same mistakes as Summer 2016. Regardless of what Chelsea have inflicted on us recently, they have not bullied us and we could have held onto Dishwater, had we not secured Silva. If Silva turns out to be a better acquision than DD, then Chelsea can come back again next year!
hejammy Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 So for me the key thing about being a big club is the city. Yes Chelsea and Man City were not big clubs a couple of decades ago, however they were taken over by some very rich people and are obviously based in big cities. Our owners are pretty wealthy and we could compete with the big boys however it's the actual city that is not up to par. Look at all the big clubs around the world. They are mostly in the bigger more touristy cities. If the owner wants to break into the top 4, we're gonna have to heavily invest in Leicester.
chicagofox Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 So, selling two players makes you a feeder club? Does that make Hull out feeder club? No of course it doesn't cos it's all bollocks.
Scotch Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 I don't for a second see us as a "Chelsea feeder team". They've signed two players from us in as many years, same as we've signed two players each from Hull and Sporting but I don't think anyone sees them as out feeder teams.
Babylon Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 37 minutes ago, chicagofox said: So, selling two players makes you a feeder club? Does that make Hull out feeder club? No of course it doesn't cos it's all bollocks. Hull are our bitch now
Foxes1 Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Did we think that when Chelsea sold us players in the past ie Keith Weller & Steve Kember did Chelsea fans think they were our feeder club don't think so. Football goes around in circles one minute one club is taking ours then we take other clubs that's football for you.
MC Prussian Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 8 minutes ago, Babylon said: Hull are our bitch now They are pretty much everybody's bitch, to be honest. Sparkly Hull.
The whole world smiles Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 17 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: Strikes me as we are making ourselves weaker each season just to make Chelsea stronger are we happy with this as fans ? Not good enough in my opinion simply not good enough. We should be competing with Chelsea, fantasy or not that's what we should be aiming for. Thoughts? Even man united had to sell Ronaldo to real and they had just won the champions league. Once a player states publicly he wants to leave then usually in football they are gone within a year. There are examples where clubs have tried to stand firm and it backfired, berhaino etc.
foxes21 Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 They'll be in for Mahrez next summer. However we've proven we can replace the people that have left, so I'm not too worried. Ndidi is a solid replacement for Kante & Silva on paper is a good replacement for Drinkwater. Granted Mahrez will be hard to replace, but I wouldn't be surprised if we find a good replacement for him also.
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