Adrien Silva - Terms Agreed

[lcfcdamo]

26 minutes ago, BigMicky said:

Ever made a mistake at work in your life? Were you sacked. Thought not.

I no a lot of people who have bin sacked for making a mistake a mistake has big has this shouldn't happen imagine how the player is feeling 

[SCP4Ever]

5 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

We failed in the window not the season.

 

We tried to sign Doumbia, Niang, Aboubacar, Eder and Carillo in that window and failed in them all. It was widely considered that we had blew it on here.

 

Carillo is a jackass, trust me, you're better off. And his agent is the worse excuse for human that I've seen in a long time.

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

This window hasnt been a failure, only this transfer (and even that may turn after appeal).

 

You cant discount 90% of good for 10% of bad.  It'd be like saying the title

winning season was shit because Arsenal

did the double over us.

I get the point but you must admit its a shambles. 

[VLC86]

Just now, SCP4Ever said:

 

Carillo is a jackass, trust me, you're better off. And his agent is the worse excuse for human that I've seen in a long time.

Yeah i get that but at the time it looked like we needed him.

[BigMicky]

1 minute ago, lcfcdamo said:

I no a lot of people who have bin sacked for making a mistake a mistake has big has this shouldn't happen imagine how the player is feeling 

I care more for the person who was sending the papers. How the tables turn, sympathy for a multi millionaire footballer that may miss a few months of football. But let's hang the folk who may have made a mistake.

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, BigMicky said:

I care more for the person who was sending the papers. How the tables turn, sympathy for a multi millionaire footballer that may miss a few months of football. But let's hang the folk who may have made a mistake.

We get it, you accidentally pressed the wrong button on the fax machine.

 

Take a breath and it will all be ok.

[Superpants82]

Sell on clause 15% from CP official 

[mozartfox]

1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said:

My dads harder than your dad.

Viagra?

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, mozartfox said:

Viagra?

What a lovely thought to go to bed on, thanks.

[WinslowFox]

I don't know what everyone is worried about. If the worst does come to the worst, we can always call on Dean Hammond.

[deep blue]

3 hours ago, Xen said:

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The 'right to ply his trade' that others have mentioned is also missing the point. He isn't being restricted from being a professional footballer. He's being restricted from playing in competitive matches for us, which is no different than if we just chose not to pick him if he was rubbish. 

 

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Your points have some merit but you have the wrong take on this one.

 

Playing in competitive matches is what being a professional footballer is all about, and is his ultimate use to the team. The other aspects, training etc, are important but are really just a means to that end. To suggest that a restriction is the same as being injured is nonsense. Injury is a matter of luck; if Silva were to continue uninjured, which is well possible, he would be able to play out the whole season whereas, while the restriction in place, he would be denied any meaningful action at all and therefore disallowed from plying his trade.

 

 

[deep blue]

3 hours ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Well a chap at work got points and a fine for doing an average speed of 52 mph ( 50 mph average speed check zone ) two years ago on the M1... so I don't get your point

And was he stopped from working for 4 months?

[HighPeakFox]

I'd add further thoughts, but I'm way past the 2 hour extension....

[Leeds Fox]

4 hours ago, deep blue said:

Your points have some merit but you have the wrong take on this one.

 

Playing in competitive matches is what being a professional footballer is all about, and is his ultimate use to the team. The other aspects, training etc, are important but are really just a means to that end. To suggest that a restriction is the same as being injured is nonsense. Injury is a matter of luck; if Silva were to continue uninjured, which is well possible, he would be able to play out the whole season whereas, while the restriction in place, he would be denied any meaningful action at all and therefore disallowed from plying his trade.

 

 

 

He's still employed though isn't he. Going to work, being paid etc. Not registering him in time was his employers fault. I have no knowledge on the ins and outs of employment law but he is, so to speak, employed by Leicester City. 

[deep blue]

2 hours ago, Ricey said:

It is irrelevant when we submitted. It is the time that the FA request the IPC that matters and that was late.

 

Looks to me that the only hope is going to the CAS, but that could take time.

Doesn't the blame lie with the FA, then, for their tardiness in requesting the IPC?

[vanity]

2 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

This window hasnt been a failure, only this transfer (and even that may turn after appeal).

 

You cant discount 90% of good for 10% of bad.  It'd be like saying the title

winning season was shit because Arsenal

did the double over us.

Yeah, people are losing sight of the fact that this window was excellent. Add to that we got Matty James back, if Iheanacho and Iborra are healthy, and Dragovic is available, and Maguire has been outstanding, IDK man, that is a lot of starting-caliber players. We would have messed our shorts getting this sort of transfer class last season.

 

it won't be long until January, either. If we are still in cup competitions, Silva will be a huge help. We can still be in the race for a top-5 finish as well, we can get hot late like last season, stack a good run of 20 points in 8 games, really put some pressure on the top of the standings. This team looks massively improved on paper, Drinkwater leaving and Silva not being available doesn't change that. We just need to get through this f'ing hell-slog of an opening schedule...

[vanity]

3 hours ago, katieakita said:

Evidence suggests though that the paperwork was submitted before the deadline which would probably be the basis on any appeal the rules posted earlier use the term submitted not received, 

... and based on Annexe 3 of the FIFA rules which sets out what a timely transfer is, it is the time of submission, not the time of receipt, that is dispositive.

[vanity]

2 hours ago, Ricey said:

It is irrelevant when we submitted. It is the time that the FA request the IPC that matters and that was late.

 

Looks to me that the only hope is going to the CAS, but that could take time.

What rule is that? That is what the Mercury claimed, but they didn't cite to a rule. When I looked, the rule was the transfer had to be submitted prior to the close of the window.

[Leeds Fox]

17 hours ago, lcfcdamo said:

I no a lot of people who have bin sacked for making a mistake a mistake has big has this shouldn't happen imagine how the player is feeling 

 

Hopefully your job doesn't rely heavily on liaising with senior management via email, otherwise you'd have had the chop long ago! 

[CyprusFox]

3 hours ago, vanity said:

... and based on Annexe 3 of the FIFA rules which sets out what a timely transfer is, it is the time of submission, not the time of receipt, that is dispositive.

Hey Vanity, think you should get your arse over to Zurich and argue the toss on this one. You could be our best chance of getting this turned over. I'm impressed anyway

[Gazza M]

This will be over turned. You can't leave a 28 yr old int. without a chance to even kick a ball competitively for 4 months. I'm sure the players agent and also the Portuguese FA will be kicking up a fuss as it's in their interests. 

Some jobsworth at FIFA will be eating humble pie come this time next week IMOP. 

[katieakita]

4 hours ago, vanity said:

... and based on Annexe 3 of the FIFA rules which sets out what a timely transfer is, it is the time of submission, not the time of receipt, that is dispositive.

Vanity we are on the same hymn sheet, yet it seems so many here hope the player is prevented from playing for nearly 4 months through no fault of his own. Think the club will have the best legal opinion around to remedy this issue. We still are missing some of the information about what went on and what the exact issues are. Believe if true the guy is not fully fit so we have a few days to plan an appeal. Silva is the victim in this and he is the one being punished for a mistake by someone or something else, if a punishment is needed it should be down to the club, a ban from buying players during the next window though harsh is fairer than an innocent being punished. Also they will be looking at the rules as there is an argument for clarity and a innocent misunderstanding of the rules. If we believed that we had to submit the articles by a certain time and did so we believed we had complied if however it is when they are received that is out of our control. There are images of people rushing and running about so there is evidence we tried to comply and meet the deadline which we believe we did. There seems to be grey areas in these rules which can and should be challenged. 

[shen]

31 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

This will be over turned. You can't leave a 28 yr old int. without a chance to even kick a ball competitively for 4 months. I'm sure the players agent and also the Portuguese FA will be kicking up a fuss as it's in their interests. 

Some jobsworth at FIFA will be eating humble pie come this time next week IMOP. 

It doesn't (and shouldn't) matter who Adrien Silva is. Why should FIFA get sentimental over it? I have no idea why some have been so confident his registration isn't an issue. Fair enough if you're hopeful, but it's a bit naïve.

[SCP4Ever]

7 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Yeah i get that but at the time it looked like we needed him.

 

turns out, you didn't, and he missed up on the chance to be a part of history by winning the premier league for the 1st time with LCLF.

 

There's a lot of frustration going around, which is understandable, you buy a player to replace someone you sold, you expect him to be able to pay, not have the door closed on him for 4 months because of 14 seconds.

The thing is, everyone seems to think the appeals will go nowhere, and I think you should be a bit more hopeful. I don't think anyone wants to screw the player, so if things can be sorted, they will.

[ithuriel]

What happens if Silva does a Bosman, takes football into the courts because the present rules are preventing him from doing his job and transfer windows are removed because they interfere with players being able to move freely between jobs.