Adrien Silva - Terms Agreed

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

One thing that is worth considering in this appeal... the Premier League voluntarily shut the window a day early.

 

Other club's in Europe were still able to buy / sell the day after. We should maybe point that out to FIFA - turning into a domestic decision on whether the transfer/registration should be allowed.

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Why don't we all drive through some traffic lights tomorrow when they are on red and there are cameras.

When the camera flashes lets all argue that we only missed stopping by 14 seconds even though we

were then involved in a crash with the car coming in a sideways direction who went through the lights on green.

Rules are there for a reason.

Anybody arguing that it is anything other than a monumental cock up by the club are kidding themselves.

 

 

 

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

One thing that is worth considering in this appeal... the Premier League voluntarily shut the window a day early.

 

Other club's in Europe were still able to buy / sell the day after. We should maybe point that out to FIFA - turning into a domestic decision on whether the transfer/registration should be allowed.

I think you will find that the window is open for a set number of days. I assume that Spain opnened a day after the rest of Europe and that turkey was a week later. 

[foxes_rule1978]

3 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Why don't we all drive through some traffic lights tomorrow when they are on red and there are cameras.

When the camera flashes lets all argue that we only missed stopping by 14 seconds even though we

were then involved in a crash with the car coming in a sideways direction who went through the lights on green.

Rules are there for a reason.

Anybody arguing that it is anything other than a monumental cock up by the club is kidding themselves.

 

 

 

Not quite the same, 14 seconds is massive in the scenario, it isn't so big over a whole transfer window plus it isn't putting anyone at risk either 

[dpjfox]

Have we even appealed to FIFA?

Where is Silva and which club is he with ie he is in our squad of named 25 and is apparently not in Sportings CL named squad (it seems he is a Leicester player and apparently we now pay his wages.

I very much doubt we can overturn FIFAS decision but at least we seem to be exploring loopholes/excuses, perhaps we should accept guilt take a fine and BEG

[RODNEY FERNIO]

2 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Not quite the same, 14 seconds is massive in the scenario, it isn't so big over a whole transfer window plus it isn't putting anyone at risk either 

Still breaking the rules though

[danhaw]

16 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

I totally get that a deadline is a deadline and rules are rules etc... BUT if the transfer was 23.00

 

The time was still 23.00... NOT 23.01 ... I really dont get the problem .. (even if secs was rounded it would still be 23.00) 

 

Its just pathetic and tbh this whole shit has pissed me right off. !!!!

 

<Insert very angry and annoyed face >

Totally get that. But I can't see how he can be a lcfc player. Surely if we missed the deadline than any contract singed would become void as the deadline was missed. Surely then the transfer would be scrapped and he goes bank to the seeking club. If he's now a lcfc player then surely that means the transfer has hone through and has been finalised by all involved?

 

I'm so confused

[Cropwellfox]

Couple of tweets from Sporting just now confirming value of deal and 15% sell on. Strange time to announce more detail about the deal - maybe attempt to put further pressure on FIFA?

[Xen]

10 minutes ago, Livid said:

Can someone explain this international clearance stuff to me.

 

An EU citizen working for EU Company A agrees a move to EU Company B after A and B agree compensation for his services. If it's found we 'Submitted' the correct forms on time,  Under EU employment law can't we just force our FA to give him clearance and make them sort the mess with FIFA.

Dependent on any clauses in the contract, he is an employee of LCFC. That isn't up for debate. There is no employment law that comes into play. 

 

The only thing that is being contended is his registration, which is a football issue. We could easily have chosen not to register Musa, for instance, but still would be liable for his wages. 

 

The 'right to ply his trade' that others have mentioned is also missing the point. He isn't being restricted from being a professional footballer. He's being restricted from playing in competitive matches for us, which is no different than if we just chose not to pick him if he was rubbish. 

 

 

There may be nuances due to the unusual nature of the industry, but I doubt anything is going to affect this transfer on a legal basis. 

 

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Still breaking the rules though

Not quite the same tbf, here we're talking about having started to submit but not completing until 14 seconds afterwards. It'd be like having gone through a light while it was green, only for it to turn red halfway through (we're going to have to ignore the existence of the amber light to be able to draw a parallel). 

[dpjfox]

IMO its our best option (if he still is a Sporting player) to get him on loan or pay off his portugese contract so he becomes a free agent

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Of course its the sam

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Of course its the same .. its like seeing the lights turning red but deciding not to brake until 14 seconds later using your analogy.

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, Cropwellfox said:

Couple of tweets from Sporting just now confirming value of deal and 15% sell on. Strange time to announce more detail about the deal - maybe attempt to put further pressure on FIFA?

First thought was we've tried to pull out of the transfer and that's their way of sticking a finger up.

[los dedos]

7 minutes ago, Cropwellfox said:

Couple of tweets from Sporting just now confirming value of deal and 15% sell on. Strange time to announce more detail about the deal - maybe attempt to put further pressure on FIFA?

€29.5 million 

[Gerard]

4 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Still breaking the rules though

 

So is doing 70.001mph on the motorway but it's rare they prosecute to the letter of the law and leeway is usually allowed.

 

As far as I'm concerned it was 14 seconds which no one tried to take advantage of and most importantly sod Leicester and Sporting but FIFA should be sympathetic to Silva's career.  Leicester City will be fine, Sporting get paid but Silva loses a chance to play and by the time he's match fit may find himself on the bench to James or Iborra.

 

FIFA should look out for the player and not be so pedantic especially when no one wins from this scenario, it just losers and the whole situation can be resolved with a bit of common sense.

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, dpjfox said:

IMO its our best option (if he still is a Sporting player) to get him on loan or pay off his portugese contract so he becomes a free agent

He still couldn't play until Jan... you need to be out of contract before the window shuts.

[chicagofox]

1 minute ago, Gerard said:

 

So is doing 70.001mph on the motorway but it's rare they prosecute to the letter of the law and leeway is usually allowed.

 

As far as I'm concerned it was 14 seconds which no one tried to take advantage of and most importantly sod Leicester and Sporting but FIFA should be sympathetic to Silva's career.  Leicester City will be fine, Sporting get paid but Silva loses a chance to play and by the time he's match fit may find himself on the bench to James or Iborra.

 

FIFA should look out for the player and not be so pedantic especially when no one wins from this scenario, it just losers and the whole situation can be resolved with a bit of common sense.

What is your cut-off point for it being too far past the deadline?

[Mike Oxlong]

Put him in a Tiatto shirt and announce Danny on a free. 

[Gerard]

3 minutes ago, chicagofox said:

What is your cut-off point for it being too far past the deadline?

 

I don't have one but common sense should prevail. This isn't about two clubs sneaking one past the deadline.

 

If you want to be zero tolerance then 00-00 should be deemed late as it could be a millisecond over the limit.

 

Silva's punishment of virtually being suspended for half a season does not fit the crime.

[RODNEY FERNIO]

7 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

So is doing 70.001mph on the motorway but it's rare they prosecute to the letter of the law and leeway is usually allowed.

 

As far as I'm concerned it was 14 seconds which no one tried to take advantage of and most importantly sod Leicester and Sporting but FIFA should be sympathetic to Silva's career.  Leicester City will be fine, Sporting get paid but Silva loses a chance to play and by the time he's match fit may find himself on the bench to James or Iborra.

 

FIFA should look out for the player and not be so pedantic especially when no one wins from this scenario, it just losers and the whole situation can be resolved with a bit of common sense.

Well a chap at work got points and a fine for doing an average speed of 52 mph ( 50 mph average speed check zone ) two years ago on the M1... so I don't get your point

[Leeds Fox]

4 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

I totally get that a deadline is a deadline and rules are rules etc... BUT if the transfer was 23.00

 

The time was still 23.00... NOT 23.01 ... I really dont get the problem .. (even if secs was rounded it would still be 23.00) 

 

Its just pathetic and tbh this whole shit has pissed me right off. !!!!

 

<Insert very angry and annoyed face >

 

Time isn't rounded up or down with respect to deadlines, time is time!

 

Is January 2018 still classed as 2017 because it's rounded down? No of course not. 

 

The deadline was 01:00:00 and we made the transfer on 01:00:14, so it didn't meet the deadline, it's as simple as that. 

 

As an aside - In cases when time is rounded for ease of display, e.g. A goal score on 15:01 would mean the goal was scored in the 16th minute, displaying 16'. 

[chicagofox]

Just now, Gerard said:

 

I don't have one but common sense should prevail. This isn't about two clubs sneaking one past the deadline.

 

If you want to be zero tolerance then 00-00 should be deemed late as it could be a millisecond over the limit.

If they bend the rule on 14 seconds, what's to stop a club next window appealing because it was only 60 seconds, or 120 seconds past the deadline?  We had all window to sign him and we left it too late.  This is not FIFA's fault nor problem.

[SCP4Ever]

9 minutes ago, Cropwellfox said:

Couple of tweets from Sporting just now confirming value of deal and 15% sell on. Strange time to announce more detail about the deal - maybe attempt to put further pressure on FIFA?

I don't know the legal and accounting implications, but we just released our annual report for the 16/17 season, so I expect it's somehow connected to that.

 

 

1 minute ago, los dedos said:

€29.5 million 

From the document, I think it's €20 Million fixed, plus €5 Million in variables (appearances and such, I'd wager). The other €4.5 million seems to be part of Adrien's contract from 2016, which awarded him a percentage of his transfer. So either that value is paid by LCFC to Adrien, or he waived his right to it.

 

[Gerard]

1 minute ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Well a chap at work got points and a fine for doing an average speed of 52 mph ( 50 mph average speed check zone ) two years ago on the M1... so I don't get your point

 

That's why I used the caveat "it's rare they prosecute to the letter of the law and leeway is usually allowed."