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Nalis

Nalis

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9 hours ago, z-layrex said:

I mean isn't that part of life, experiencing it and hopefully growing as a person through maturing, meeting people different to you etc. I feel dismayed when I see people in their 30s get pulled up on tweets from over a decade prior. I don't know about you guys but I am not the same person I was 10 years ago for better or worse.

Oh yeah I agree completely and kind of my roundabout point too, my grievance is really with the witch-hunt in respect of pulling up someone for something they tweeted years ago when they've grown as a person since then.

BenTheFox

BenTheFox

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One of my mates genuinely once said "The Beatles are underrated". His justification was that so many people say they are overrated that they have become underrated as a result. I can't say that I agree with him but it's an interesting point.

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Footballwipe

Footballwipe

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

One of my mates genuinely once said "The Beatles are underrated". His justification was that so many people say they are overrated that they have become underrated as a result. I can't say that I agree with him but it's an interesting point.

Have a hunch @Fox92 may want to contribute to this thought.

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Jimothy

Jimothy

Posted
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4 minutes ago, Nalis said:

If dont mind me asking - why?

It's inline with other former Prime Ministers, the highest office in the land anyone can be voted into. Politicians will always be devisive, those that went before are and have received honours. 

 

He also apparently turned down the chance to be a Lord in the past and I'm sure people wouldn't want that as he would have much more influence. In reality, this changes nothing, he just has 3 letters in front of his name, but its right that a former PM is recognised in that way as have nearly all previous ones, and I suspect the current one will in a few years. Some people will argue that he shouldn't be knighted when it happens, some people will argue back that he's done what he thought was right during this pandemic, you could put the argument forward regarding Blair and the war.

 

Also I think someone said it in another thread too, I know its a massive caveat, but take out the Iraq war, he was one of the best PM's we've had. 

 

Didn't Baroness Thatcher push for Jimmy Savile to be knighted, when it appears now it was pretty common knowledge in those circles what he was up to? Now that I have an issue with. I have more of an issue with top politicians handing lordships to friends and families just because they can. Tony Blair being Sir Tony is small fry compared to that. 

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Nalis

Nalis

Posted
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20 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

One of my mates genuinely once said "The Beatles are underrated". His justification was that so many people say they are overrated that they have become underrated as a result. I can't say that I agree with him but it's an interesting point.

I think the opposite of Paul Scholes - he's become so heavily known as being underrated that he is now overrated.

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Sampson

Sampson

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2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

I think the opposite of Paul Scholes - he's become so heavily known as being underrated that he is now overrated.

Agreed.

I do think the "they've been said to be overrated so often, they've become underrated" was true of Beckham though, especially towards the end of his career.

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Corky

Corky

Posted
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25 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

One of my mates genuinely once said "The Beatles are underrated". His justification was that so many people say they are overrated that they have become underrated as a result. I can't say that I agree with him but it's an interesting point.

Don't see that at all. Far more people say they are great than not. The Beatles will never be underrated.

BenTheFox

BenTheFox

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2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

I think the opposite of Paul Scholes - he's become so heavily known as being underrated that he is now overrated.

I've heard people make that statement about Michael Carrick. I still stand by Michael Carrick being underrated because he only has 30 odd England caps. 

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Milo

Milo

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19 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Also I think someone said it in another thread too, I know its a massive caveat, but take out the Iraq war, he was one of the best PM's we've had. 

 

Didn't Baroness Thatcher push for Jimmy Savile to be knighted, when it appears now it was pretty common knowledge in those circles what he was up to?

By that logic, if you take out Jimmy Saviles paedophilia he was a pretty decent fundraiser that could well have been worthy of knighthood. 
 

I would say the Iraq war is too big a thing to ignore. 
 

Interesting points you made, though. 
 


 

 

Jimothy

Jimothy

Posted
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17 minutes ago, Milo said:

By that logic, if you take out Jimmy Saviles paedophilia he was a pretty decent fundraiser that could well have been worthy of knighthood. 
 

I would say the Iraq war is too big a thing to ignore. 
 

Interesting points you made, though. 
 


 

 

I would say Blair thought he was doing the right thing regarding the war, for the betterment of everyone, regardless of the final outcome. I would suggest Savile knew sexually assaulting children was wrong.

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Countryfox

Countryfox

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43 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

 

 ..  this changes nothing, he just has 3 letters in front of his name ..

 

Let's not be stingy ...  let's go for 4 !!

 

CVNT

 

:)

 

 

Milo

Milo

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22 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I would say Blair thought he was doing the right thing regarding the war, for the betterment of everyone, regardless of the final outcome. I would suggest Savile knew sexually assaulting children was wrong.

Himself. 
 

I think he knew exactly what he was doing. 
 

Happy to agree to disagree, though - kind of the point of this thread. 

Dunge

Dunge

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Just now, Milo said:

Himself. 
 

I think he knew exactly what he was doing. 
 

Happy to agree to disagree, though - kind of the point of this thread. 

I always thought the most likely thing was that he did it in an attempt to avoid America being isolated on the international stage, and the potential consequences of that for NATO and the world.

 

That’s not to say he got it right, but that always made more sense to me than straight up warmongery or personal gain.

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Milo

Milo

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3 minutes ago, Dunge said:

I always thought the most likely thing was that he did it in an attempt to avoid America being isolated on the international stage, and the potential consequences of that for NATO and the world.

 

That’s not to say he got it right, but that always made more sense to me than straight up warmongery or personal gain.

Hmmm. 
 

He kind of make humongous personal gain, though. 

 

Just a happy by-product of warmongering, I suppose. 

Dunge

Dunge

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4 minutes ago, Milo said:

Hmmm. 
 

He kind of make humongous personal gain, though. 

 

Just a happy by-product of warmongering, I suppose. 

What personal gain did he actually make though? Most of the country hates him for it.

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Milo

Milo

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10 minutes ago, Dunge said:

What personal gain did he actually make though? Most of the country hates him for it.

Didn’t he quickly hop into bed with JP Morgan (?) to help ‘build Iraq’? 
 

And if most of the country hate him, wtf is he being knighted for?! 
 

I was a massive Blair fan and happily voted for him. He was a breath of fresh air when he came along. 
 

Then he went all batshit crazy.
 

And invaded a country. 

Jimothy

Jimothy

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19 minutes ago, Milo said:

Didn’t he quickly hop into bed with JP Morgan (?) to help ‘build Iraq’? 
 

And if most of the country hate him, wtf is he being knighted for?! 
 

I was a massive Blair fan and happily voted for him. He was a breath of fresh air when he came along. 
 

Then he went all batshit crazy.
 

And invaded a country. 

He held the post Quartent on the Middle East until 2015, which tries to bring peace in the Israel-Palestine conflict. He joined JP Morgan in 2008 to advice Zurich Finacial Services in climate change. A quick Google was all that took.

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Fox92

Fox92

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, Facecloth said:

Toby Blair deserves his knighthood.

Is it the invasions that people don't want him knighted for?

 

I know he introduced minimum wage and freedom of information act. That's on top of winning elections by a landslide, and although I don't think that's a worthy reason, he's the best labour leader for a long long time. 

Jimothy

Jimothy

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14 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Is it the invasions that people don't want him knighted for?

 

I know he introduced minimum wage and freedom of information act. That's on top of winning elections by a landslide, and although I don't think that's a worthy reason, he's the best labour leader for a long long time. 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/tony-blair-s-knighthood-is-long-overdue

 

I thought this article covered it well.

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