Walsh probably available in the Summer. Takers?

[brucey]

He won't come back.

He's an amazing scout, but tbh some of the things he's said since joining Everton has really put me off. In Everton's recent AGM when facing shareholders questions, he tried to play down the impact of not replacing Lukaku by quoting one of those Opta stats that if all of Lukaku's goals were taken away they would still have finished 7th in 16/17. And that all the other strikers that they did try to sign but couldn't, ended up being flops at their new clubs anyway. Probably the worst excuses ever 

[Strokes]

I know he is getting bashed for his everton signings but he has made some good signings. They’ve just been lumbered with chump managers and tactics. I’m not saying Allardyce is a bad manager but how many players has he developed in his career? and Koeman was just out of his depth with that money.

Id happily bin Macia and bring back Walsh.

Edited 4 April 2018 by Strokes

[gurru991]

No Thanks

We've moved on

Walsh is that old girl friend that tempts you but you know it's a mistake. 

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, Webbo said:

Walsh moved north to be nearer his family, he must be coming up to retirement age.Why do people assume he'd want to come back?

Does anyone know if he actually moved away from the Quorn area? Maybe it was the plan to do so .........

[Finnegan]

People get way too obsessed with individuals when it comes to scouting.

 

I think people have this idea of Walsh being some sort of global explorer, wandering the back streets of European cities rooting out footballers. 

 

Let's be honest, the reality is that he's a middle manager sat in an office at the training ground reading reports from scores of staff worldwide. 

 

It COULD have been Walsh that first spotted Mahrez or Kante whilst at Caen or Havre but it could also have been Lucas the student placement sport scientist from Loughborough Uni looking at tackling or dribbling stats and filtering an excel spreadsheet by most per 90 minutes for his dissertation. 

 

Crediting Walsh with the success of every signing is a bit like crediting only Ranieri for our title win, its overly simplistic. 

 

Everton seemed to think recruiting one man would make them Leicester over night but we've spent years building this network and infrastructure and it didn't vanish when he left and it won't magically reappear if he returned. 

 

I mean look at Diabate. Walsh has been gone how long but that signing smacks of exactly the same network we've had all along. 

 

Edited 5 April 2018 by Finnegan

[Beechey]

9 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

People get way too obsessed with individuals when it comes to scouting.

 

I think people have this idea of Walsh being some sort of global explorer, wandering the back streets of European cities rooting out footballers. 

 

Let's be honest, the reality is that he's a middle manager sat in an office at the training ground reading reports from scores of staff worldwide. 

 

It COULD have been Walsh that first spotted Mahrez or Kante whilst at Caen or Havre but it could also have been Lucas the student placement sport scientist from Loughborough Uni looking at tackling or dribbling stats and filtering an excel spreadsheet by most per 90 minutes for his dissertation. 

 

Crediting Walsh with the success of every signing is a bit like crediting only Ranieri for our title win, its overly simplistic. 

 

Everton seemed to think recruiting one man would make them Leicester over night but we've spent years building this network and infrastructure and it didn't vanish when he left and it won't magically reappear if he returned. 

 

I mean look at Diabate. Walsh has been gone how long but that signing smacks of exactly the same network we've had all along. 

 

I agree with everything you said except for Diabate, it was Puel's son who alerted us to him (who also plays for the team we got Diabate from), not our scouting network.

[Finnegan]

43 minutes ago, Beechey said:

I agree with everything you said except for Diabate, it was Puel's son who alerted us to him (who also plays for the team we got Diabate from), not our scouting network.

 

Fair play, didn't realise that. 

 

It's sort of my point though really, this information just comes from everywhere. 

[brucey]

58 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

It COULD have been Walsh that first spotted Mahrez or Kante whilst at Caen or Havre but it could also have been Lucas the student placement sport scientist from Loughborough Uni looking at tackling or dribbling stats and filtering an excel spreadsheet by most per 90 minutes for his dissertation.

I give Walsh full personal credit for two things - spotting Mahrez (his role in this been well documented), as well as nagging Claudio into signing Kante. Otherwise I agree, the other title winners would have been identified as a team.

[MPH]

On 4/4/2018 at 05:26, Tuna said:

There is no vacancy for him here as Assistant Manager or Director Of Football and he wouldn't want a demotion from his current role to return to chief scout.

we had two assistant managers when Pearson was here so why not now?. His title was never chief scout but one of his roles as assistant manager was to be head of player recruitment I do admit though that it doeskin make sense for our current director of football to be involved in player recruitment AND have Steve Walsh - in short there isn't room for both in our current set up.

Edited 5 April 2018 by MPH

[gurru991]

Walsh wil probably get his wage paid for the next two years anyway. Ease into retirement gently.

[Dan]

On 4/4/2018 at 12:09, sm1 said:

If he is sacked, i can see the owners offering him a role at Leuven. He's not done a bad job at Everton, there got some good youngsters and the turkish guy looks good. Siggy will improve. The problem is Everton and their fans are impatient. The likes of Mahrez & Vardy didn't light the place up when they came, but Pearson kept faith because he saw the bigger picture. At Everton all he got from Koeman was negativity & public criticism.

I'm convinced this'll be Everton's undoing for the foreseeable future. They were bad enough pre-Moshiri but their expectations have rocketed again now they've got him.

 

I'd have Walsh back here in some capacity. Everton was a bad fit.

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

People get way too obsessed with individuals when it comes to scouting.

 

I think people have this idea of Walsh being some sort of global explorer, wandering the back streets of European cities rooting out footballers. 

 

Let's be honest, the reality is that he's a middle manager sat in an office at the training ground reading reports from scores of staff worldwide. 

 

It COULD have been Walsh that first spotted Mahrez or Kante whilst at Caen or Havre but it could also have been Lucas the student placement sport scientist from Loughborough Uni looking at tackling or dribbling stats and filtering an excel spreadsheet by most per 90 minutes for his dissertation. 

 

Crediting Walsh with the success of every signing is a bit like crediting only Ranieri for our title win, its overly simplistic. 

 

Everton seemed to think recruiting one man would make them Leicester over night but we've spent years building this network and infrastructure and it didn't vanish when he left and it won't magically reappear if he returned. 

 

I mean look at Diabate. Walsh has been gone how long but that signing smacks of exactly the same network we've had all along. 

 

If you look into the detail, it was very much the system of scouting he put in place that put us ahead of the curve. We developed our own software, scrambled around sourcing our own clips etc. Years before it all appeared online, packaged in a nice little bow for every club in the world to use to scout players. We were also ahead of the curve in terms of analytics use, where now every man and his dog has people pouring over stats of players.

 

There is no doubt Walsh can spot a player, we know enough detail of how he spotted certain players to know that as he's been totally open about it. But that becomes less effective when every other team catches up with you on the technical side of scouting.

[MPH]

48 minutes ago, Babylon said:

If you look into the detail, it was very much the system of scouting he put in place that put us ahead of the curve. We developed our own software, scrambled around sourcing our own clips etc. Years before it all appeared online, packaged in a nice little bow for every club in the world to use to scout players. We were also ahead of the curve in terms of analytics use, where now every man and his dog has people pouring over stats of players.

 

There is no doubt Walsh can spot a player, we know enough detail of how he spotted certain players to know that as he's been totally open about it. But that becomes less effective when every other team catches up with you on the technical side of scouting.

 

 

I think what i liked was that he seemed to have a knack of scouting players for the style of play we wanted to implement. Koeman and Everton play differently. Also, Koeman went for his own players occasionally.

[KingsX]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

If you look into the detail, it was very much the system of scouting he put in place that put us ahead of the curve. We developed our own software, scrambled around sourcing our own clips etc. Years before it all appeared online, packaged in a nice little bow for every club in the world to use to scout players. We were also ahead of the curve in terms of analytics use, where now every man and his dog has people pouring over stats of players.

 

There is no doubt Walsh can spot a player, we know enough detail of how he spotted certain players to know that as he's been totally open about it. But that becomes less effective when every other team catches up with you on the technical side of scouting.

 

It’s important to recognize that the game is not over on the technical side of player evaluation.  It’s about staying ahead of the curve, and each well-financed club is in the arms race to gain an advantage.  From gathering and finding meaning in data that other clubs aren’t seeing yet.

 

Even in baseball, which is minutely quantifiable (and had its Moneyball revolution 20 years ago), new tech and numbers have lately upended the old.  The “key stats” for batting now include exit velocity and launch angle, and the first adopters among clubs have prospered.  Not only by using them to pick players, but integrating them with tactics (e.g. making and countering defensive shifts).

 

In football, where half the 22 on the pitch are affecting play at any given moment, the surface has only been scratched.  xG is still considered an “advanced metric”.

 

Whether Rudkin is pursuing technical advantage with the needed resources and coordination, is more critical than whether he, Walsh or Macia is at the wheel.  Is he effectively integrating human judgment with databases, and always changing based on his team’s successes and mistakes?  That is his job.

 

And of course you need a clear vision of what you want to be and how you want to play.  No scouting network or technical advantage will make up for signing an excess of 9s here, or 10s at Everton.

[Daggers]

On 04/04/2018 at 10:30, Babylon said:

Virtually all fans are impatient idiots.

FTFY.

[sphericalfox]

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

If you look into the detail, it was very much the system of scouting he put in place that put us ahead of the curve. We developed our own software, scrambled around sourcing our own clips etc. Years before it all appeared online, packaged in a nice little bow for every club in the world to use to scout players. We were also ahead of the curve in terms of analytics use, where now every man and his dog has people pouring over stats of players.

 

There is no doubt Walsh can spot a player, we know enough detail of how he spotted certain players to know that as he's been totally open about it. But that becomes less effective when every other team catches up with you on the technical side of scouting.

I was surprised to learn that at Everton he doesn't utilise software so it certainly suggests it wasn't him pushing that element when he was with us.

[KingsX]

2 hours ago, Daggers said:

FTFY.

Generally spelled out as “Fixed that for you” on here, avoiding confusion with “ F*** That,  F*** You” by the hotter heads.

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, sphericalfox said:

I was surprised to learn that at Everton he doesn't utilise software so it certainly suggests it wasn't him pushing that element when he was with us.

I think Pearson was behind everything, sports science, psychology, tracking players using technology, even the anthony knockaert chant.

[Donut]

16 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I think Pearson was behind everything, sports science, psychology, tracking players using technology, even the anthony knockaert chant.

the title win, man city's title win, the new pies, the fall of the berlin wall, cambridge analytica........the list is endless

[yorkie1999]

4 minutes ago, Donut said:

the title win, man city's title win, the new pies, the fall of the berlin wall, cambridge analytica........the list is endless

Yes, the bloke invented football, i just don't think you understand.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, sphericalfox said:

I was surprised to learn that at Everton he doesn't utilise software so it certainly suggests it wasn't him pushing that element when he was with us.

You got the quotes on that? Can't believe he'd just bin off a successful system. 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Daggers said:

FTFY.

They take it to another level, I thought we were bad 

[Donut]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

You got the quotes on that? Can't believe he'd just bin off a successful system. 

Every club will use analytical software nowadays, even lower league clubs.

 

Sam Allardyce is a big user of Wyscout, so theres no way he would be heavily clued up and walsh ignore all of that.

 

He just was part of a team that bought the wrong players. Signings dont always work. It happens.

[sphericalfox]

39 minutes ago, Babylon said:

You got the quotes on that? Can't believe he'd just bin off a successful system. 

Can't quote what I was told. Essentially he was was offered some analytical software and turned it down, pointing at the wall which had a number of lists of players on it for various positions. I wasn't sure to believe it. But apparently he's more old school than we're all led to believe. My source is solid.

Edited 5 April 2018 by sphericalfox

[abdul_fox]

I think our recruitment department is in pretty good shape, we still have David Mills, who's our senior scouting coordinator. He followed Pearson,Walsh,and Shakey to Hull and back, and was the one who watched (and still watches) our transfer targets live before making a judgement. Walsh rates him highly.