Morgan

[Jimmy]

10 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Your missing the point. He would have stayed in if he did commit. He was advised against it and to wait to consider his options at the end of the season. 

well in that case Riyad Mahrez should never play for the club again, wouldn't want to be hypocrites now would we

[themightyfin]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

well in that case Riyad Mahrez should never play for the club again, wouldn't want to be hypocrites now would we

As I said its all about opinions

[Jimmy]

2 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

As I said its all about opinions

not in this case, you are stating that Dragovic's lack of commitment is why he was dropped ,well simply put actively trying to leave the club is a massive sign of a lack of commitment to the club, much bigger than simply not agreeing to join a club that didn't play you for half a season

[themightyfin]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

not in this case, you are stating that Dragovic's lack of commitment is why he was dropped ,well simply put actively trying to leave the club is a massive sign of a lack of commitment to the club, much bigger than simply not agreeing to join a club that didn't play you for half a season

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with ya! I don’t know enough about the RM issues apart from what was reported in the press so I can not form an opinion based on facts. 

[Alf Bentley]

2 hours ago, themightyfin said:

I can categorically say this will not be his last season. Plans to play top flight football or at least 1 or 2 more years yet. 

Drago was not dropped. He was told of our intentions to sign up at the end of the season and he didn’t want to commit and said he wanted to consider his options.

Thid was saw as a sign of non commitment hence Morgan was brought back when fit again. 

Rightly so who would you have a player playing for us who was not even sure if he wanted to be here next year. Things are not always as they seem. Two sides to every story. 

 

Out of curiosity, what is your source for this information?

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, themightyfin said:

Just my personal opinion. If Drag could not commit and he’s not even our player then why would you even think about playing him over the captain. Obviously CP thought the same. 

Thars what makes it a wonderful game it’s all about opinions bud. 

This makes me think that we have no intention of binning wes for next season. If we did then it wouldn’t matter if we played dragovic who had signed a pre contract with Leyton orient or wes who is likely to be a sub next season or more likely sold. 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Jimmy said:

not in this case, you are stating that Dragovic's lack of commitment is why he was dropped ,well simply put actively trying to leave the club is a massive sign of a lack of commitment to the club, much bigger than simply not agreeing to join a club that didn't play you for half a season

Difference being one is our player and the other isn't.

[mozartfox]

5 hours ago, Jimmy said:

why would he commit when he had barely played all season? why would he commit if he thought, and was proven to be right, that Wes would walk back in regardless?

This.

[mozartfox]

4 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Out of curiosity, what is your source for this information?

I would be interested too.  

[FLAN]

12 hours ago, themightyfin said:

I can categorically say this will not be his last season. Plans to play top flight football or at least 1 or 2 more years yet. 

Drago was not dropped. He was told of our intentions to sign up at the end of the season and he didn’t want to commit and said he wanted to consider his options.

Thid was saw as a sign of non commitment hence Morgan was brought back when fit again. 

Rightly so who would you have a player playing for us who was not even sure if he wanted to be here next year. Things are not always as they seem. Two sides to every story. 

That’s an interesting angle but what amazes me is Morgan thinking he can still cut it. Since he’s been back he looks horrendous having never been that good in my opinion. He has that air of a player eeking it out that bit too long. I seriously doubt any top flight team or promoted team would look at him and think this is what we need. Terrible with ball at his feet, constantly backs off attackers instead of pressing them and he is actually pretty poor in aerial duals. If he starts next season the club is a shambles run by senior players and their cronies.  

[Legend_in_blue]

He hasn't been the same since his injury towards the end of last season.  That was the straw that broke the camel's back imo.

 

He's on borrowed time for sure and he shouldn't be captain next season.  At best, he should be back up.

Edited 8 April 2018 by Legend_in_blue

[splinterdream]

15 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

I actually think Puel is a very astute man manager and knows that dropping Morgan this season probably isn't the best option when taking team spirit into account. 

 

You'll probably find that this will be Morgan's last season for us and Puel is most likely, respectfully giving him his last games. Whilst it might cost us a few points in the present, it probably sends out the right message to the team for the future. 

 

There is of course an argument that there isn't time for sentiment and I'm somewhat inclined to agree with that BUT Morgan has been a hero for us so I can understand completely if the scenario above is playing out. 

If Morgan's being played out of sentiment then that's crazy but looking at it it's tricky to find any other reason

[lifted*fox]

sentiment and possibly to not rock the boat this far into what is likely his last season here.

 

i think Wes, the other players and the fans would all understand if he finished here in the summer.

 

I guess that Wes, the other players and some fans might be a bit upset to see him get dropped (considering he's captain) if he only has a few games left. 

 

personally I don't think he should have come straight back in after his injury - I think Dragovic had done enough to retain that position for the time being. 

[splinterdream]

You have to consider what Maguire thinks, when he's made to look a tit yesterday his value goes down, if he's ambitious and the bids come in he's more likely to have his head turned

[CosbehFox]

The first goal he neither commits or covers. Instead caught between the two attackers. He then got back in position and fell for a simple dummy. The lack of marking from the rest of the defence was dreadful too. 

 

The second goal - just deal with the ball, not the player. Stick it in Row Z. 

 

Clear how at full time he stood on the pitch and was last into the changing rooms (because he knew he’d get a rollicking). 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

16 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

I actually think Puel is a very astute man manager and knows that dropping Morgan this season probably isn't the best option when taking team spirit into account. 

 

You'll probably find that this will be Morgan's last season for us and Puel is most likely, respectfully giving him his last games. Whilst it might cost us a few points in the present, it probably sends out the right message to the team for the future. 

 

There is of course an argument that there isn't time for sentiment and I'm somewhat inclined to agree with that BUT Morgan has been a hero for us so I can understand completely if the scenario above is playing out. 

I think this is a very good summing up of the Morgan situation.

 

[FLAN]

So the message is don’t worry how crap you play as long as you’ve been here a while??

[FoxesDeb]

17 minutes ago, F1_AN said:

So the message is don’t worry how crap you play as long as you’ve been here a while??

It's not just that he's been here a while, though, is it? He was an integral part of our 'never in our lifetime did we imagine this dream would come true'  season. I don't particularly want to see him playing as first choice next season either, but I can see why we would give him some respect, and let him see this season out, as captain, gracefully. 

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

The first goal he neither commits or covers. Instead caught between the two attackers. He then got back in position and fell for a simple dummy. The lack of marking from the rest of the defence was dreadful too. 

 

The second goal - just deal with the ball, not the player. Stick it in Row Z. 

 

Clear how at full time he stood on the pitch and was last into the changing rooms (because he knew he’d get a rollicking). 

You could quite easily say Maguire allowed the bloke to cut inside despite a pretty basic rule of defending is to show the attacker down the line away from the goal, then got sold the same dummy by Shelvey. And for the 2nd as a centre half you should always be round on the cover when the ball is played long, again the basics of defending but he wasn't, and we have a goalkeeper who thinks he is Ederson in the middle of no mans land for an easy finish.

 

Wes hasn't been as good as before he got injured, but seeing people saying he has been crap for 2 years etc is a bit of a joke really. He was our best defender up until Christmas and his injury was at an unfortunate time as he was really in form. Drago came in and did okay without being spectacular, was probably a little harshly immediately replaced but I'm not sure he is the answer for the future either.

[Ted Maul]

He'll go down as a club legend of the highest order. A player considered 'pretty good for the championship' who rose up and played every minute as captain for a title winning side. What a man.

 

He's getting on though, it's obvious. Struggled big time yesterday against a very average side, and we need to be looking to the future. All good things come to an end, and unfortunately he's past his sell by date as a top tier footballer. Time for Dragovic to get another run in the side.

[Deebhoy]

Morgan was a good player for us but centre of defence has to be one of the priority areas during the summer.

[Jimmy]

38 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

It's not just that he's been here a while, though, is it? He was an integral part of our 'never in our lifetime did we imagine this dream would come true'  season. I don't particularly want to see him playing as first choice next season either, but I can see why we would give him some respect, and let him see this season out, as captain, gracefully. 

that could have happened by simply leaving Dragovic in the side and when asked Puel could have said "Dragovic is playing well so he has kept his place, same with any player in my squad" Wes can save face by saying "I only lost my place due to injury I'm still good enough" everyone is happy

[FoxesDeb]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

that could have happened by simply leaving Dragovic in the side and when asked Puel could have said "Dragovic is playing well so he has kept his place, same with any player in my squad" Wes can save face by saying "I only lost my place due to injury I'm still good enough" everyone is happy

It could have, yes. We will probably never know the reasoning behind the decision to put Morgan straight back in and leave Dragovic out when he'd been playing well. I just don't believe it's as simple as because he's 'been here a while', that's all 

[Jimmy]

6 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

It could have, yes. We will probably never know the reasoning behind the decision to put Morgan straight back in and leave Dragovic out when he'd been playing well. I just don't believe it's as simple as because he's 'been here a while', that's all 

no its most likely the bit of cloth he has strapped around his arm

[Thrill Bert Fox]

Let face it unless we sign someone to play along with harry Mc we will lose him which we must not do if we want to contend.

 

personally could not see why we dropped Drag for Wes (I love what Wes has done but he is past his best)