Popular Post Nalis Posted 7 June 2018 Popular Post Posted 7 June 2018 1 hour ago, MC Prussian said: At least six reasons that speak against that league scenario: Manchester City Manchester United Liverpool FC Tottenham Hotspur Chelsea FC Arsenal FC Cup? Who knows... I know its fashionable to slate spurs on FT but when Poch goes then Spurs will pretty much be Everton within a season or two. Chelsea - Will Abrahamovic get frustrated re visa issues and sell up / not invest? Arsenal - new manager might take time to rebuild No shifting Liverpool Man C or Man U admittedly. Not saying that the top 6 is easy but it might be a little more open than most people think next season. 5
SheppyFox Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 5 minutes ago, Nalis said: I know its fashionable to slate spurs on FT but when Poch goes then Spurs will pretty much be Everton within a season or two. Chelsea - Will Abrahamovic get frustrated re visa issues and sell up / not invest? Arsenal - new manager might take time to rebuild No shifting Liverpool Man C or Man U admittedly. Not saying that the top 6 is easy but it might be a little more open than most people think next season. Agree entirely besides Man Utd, mourinho is due a meltdown season of player fallouts etc, they’ll finish 5th
polarbear Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 43 minutes ago, Gerbold said: He has to go - for the good of the club/team/squad - whatever. Until he realises his fantasy of playing on the world stage (in a team which he believes reflects his talent), then City will be burdened by his unwillingness to commit 100%. He believes he's done his bit and City are being bloody-minded in not having facilitated his transfer - forget the fee he goes for, which is immaterial to him. He believes he should be ushered out on a red carpet to the land of his dreams. I've lost belief in him and I'm pretty loyal when it comes to blokes who've worn the royal blue - especially the Pearson/Ranieri side. I've always thought that Mahrez would be a problematical player wherever he went. Whyever Guardiola would place so much trust in a real 90 minute, full-on player emerging from his chrysalis to wow the sky-blue Mancunians belies his obvious managerial nouse. The media keep fanning the flames of Mahrez' forthcoming departure but nothing's really happening - and I'd imagine everyone concerned would want a done-and-dusted deal by now. He's not WC tied so why the wait? If Man City have been in talks with City since the winter window closed then why no conclusion to the saga? Are his representatives waiting to see if anyone else comes calling? agreed - i dont consider him a judas or any of those other negative comments we read on here. However he does behave in a way that suggests he thinks he is doing us a favour by playing for us
yorkie1999 Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 41 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Really don't understand why some people are pissed off and considering a player who wants to go as some sort of Judas. Especially when it comes to Mahrez. I'm genuinely baffled by this misplaced outrage and the deluded belief in some sort of expected loyalty from a man who's paid to play for a club. Players come and go, that's how it always was. No matter what he might think, he's done here and the story has to come to an end. Him staying would be catastrophic from every point of view. One for all, all for one buddy, it's the fundamentals of being part of a club, from the top down to the tea lady. Without that, you're the enemy.
ZeGuy Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 19 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: One for all, all for one buddy, it's the fundamentals of being part of a club, from the top down to the tea lady. Without that, you're the enemy. lol.
Buce Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 2 hours ago, MC Prussian said: At least six reasons that speak against that league scenario: Manchester City Manchester United Liverpool FC Tottenham Hotspur Chelsea FC Arsenal FC Cup? Who knows... 1 hour ago, ZeGuy said: Imagine a unicorn riding a flying pig. That's more realistic than us getting in the top 6. Oh, what short memories you have. It's like 2016 never happened. 4
ZeGuy Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 4 minutes ago, Buce said: Oh, what short memories you have. It's like 2016 never happened. One off, to be probably never ever repeated. We're not equipped to challenge the top 6 other than on FIFA. That's something people should come to term with.
Buce Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 Just now, ZeGuy said: One off, to be probably never ever repeated. We're not equipped to challenge the top 6 other than on FIFA. That's something people should come to term with. We were not equipped to win the league either. Yet it happened. 4
1972 Fox Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 1 hour ago, Gerbold said: He has to go - for the good of the club/team/squad - whatever. Until he realises his fantasy of playing on the world stage (in a team which he believes reflects his talent), then City will be burdened by his unwillingness to commit 100%. He believes he's done his bit and City are being bloody-minded in not having facilitated his transfer - forget the fee he goes for, which is immaterial to him. He believes he should be ushered out on a red carpet to the land of his dreams. I've lost belief in him and I'm pretty loyal when it comes to blokes who've worn the royal blue - especially the Pearson/Ranieri side. I've always thought that Mahrez would be a problematical player wherever he went. Whyever Guardiola would place so much trust in a real 90 minute, full-on player emerging from his chrysalis to wow the sky-blue Mancunians belies his obvious managerial nouse. The media keep fanning the flames of Mahrez' forthcoming departure but nothing's really happening - and I'd imagine everyone concerned would want a done-and-dusted deal by now. He's not WC tied so why the wait? If Man City have been in talks with City since the winter window closed then why no conclusion to the saga? Are his representatives waiting to see if anyone else comes calling? Even though I would love to keep him as our player I agree that it is time for him to go. Otherwise the whole cycle and saga will start again and will resurface in the January window. It's probably already been mentioned on here but I can imagine that the sticking point on this deal is that our owners are holding out for a fee of £75m minimum. To be fair they are right to demand that sort of fee for a player of his quality and worth to us when you consider the prices that have been paid for other players. Maybe it's time for Man City to put up or shut up.
MC Prussian Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 32 minutes ago, Buce said: Oh, what short memories you have. It's like 2016 never happened. Admire your optimism. But based on historical results in this division and recent results under Puel, we're highly likely to remain a mid-table Premier League side for years to come. Not that I wouldn't take 6th or 7th spot, mind. But winning the Premier League again? 5000/1 it was, we're currently down to in between 200/1 and 300/1. The likelihood has somewhat changed according to the bookies, so who knows? I'm not buying into it. Maybe in a few years down the line we've done well enough to establish ourselves as a veritable title contender...
Almo-Fox Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 (edited) mahrez will feature against Ronaldo at Lisbon tonight at 8 15 pm ( Portugal time 7 15 pm uk time ) when Portugal play Algeria and the result would be a bitter defeat of Algeria ( 5-1 ) you may follow it on RTP i ( fta channel on hot bird ) Edited 7 June 2018 by Almo-Fox
Popular Post Buce Posted 7 June 2018 Popular Post Posted 7 June 2018 2 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Admire your optimism. But based on historical results in this division and recent results under Puel, we're highly likely to remain a mid-table Premier League side for years to come. Not that I wouldn't take 6th or 7th spot, mind. But winning the Premier League again? 5000/1 it was, we're currently down to in between 200/1 and 300/1. The likelihood has somewhat changed according to the bookies, so who knows? I'm not buying into it. Maybe in a few years down the line we've done well enough to establish ourselves as a veritable title contender... I'm not talking about winning the league. I was responding to the assertion that we couldn't break into the top six; if we don't even aspire to that, what's the point of the club's existence? 5
MC Prussian Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: I'm not talking about winning the league. I was responding to the assertion that we couldn't break into the top six; if we don't even aspire to that, what's the point of the club's existence? Having the aspirations is one thing, getting there another. One's the ideal, the other reality. You're also discounting other clubs and their aspirations, we're caught in competition after all. For all the talk about long-term plans, I'd rather we focus on establishing ourselves as a mid-table Premier League team first before dreaming of Champions League football again. Baby steps, but steps forward, not backwards. 1
1972 Fox Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 2 minutes ago, Buce said: I'm not talking about winning the league. I was responding to the assertion that we couldn't break into the top six; if we don't even aspire to that, what's the point of the club's existence? Agreed. If we can win the League (which we did ) then it is certainly possible for us to finish top six. 3
foxfan92 Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 17 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Having the aspirations is one thing, getting there another. One's the ideal, the other reality. You're also discounting other clubs and their aspirations, we're caught in competition after all. For all the talk about long-term plans, I'd rather we focus on establishing ourselves as a mid-table Premier League team first before dreaming of Champions League football again. Baby steps, but steps forward, not backwards. Agree to a point but look at the likes of Stoke and to a degree Southampton. I bet both thought they were at least established mid table teams and this season one got relegated and the other escaped by the skin of their teeth. In truth there is very little that separates the teams outside the top six, and even if we’re not there yet we should be looking to put ourselves finishing away from the rest so we’re not continously looking down and worrying. If you look at how bad we were for months towards the end but never in danger of the drop, we should be looking to be even better this season. I want us to be able to pull in some great players who can see the potential this club has to be playing year in year out in Europe. And that means buying wisely and keeping hold of our best players. 1
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 2 hours ago, Buce said: I'm not talking about winning the league. I was responding to the assertion that we couldn't break into the top six; if we don't even aspire to that, what's the point of the club's existence? This totally and utterly this
ZeGuy Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 2 hours ago, Buce said: We were not equipped to win the league either. Yet it happened. 3 world class players: 1 left.
ZeGuy Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 2 hours ago, Buce said: I'm not talking about winning the league. I was responding to the assertion that we couldn't break into the top six; if we don't even aspire to that, what's the point of the club's existence? First, establish ourselves as PL team, not a yo-yo one, then consistently reaching the top 8. When done then we can aspire at challenging teams like Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool. That won't happen over 1 or 2 seasons. 1
Blarmy Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 14 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: First, establish ourselves as PL team, not a yo-yo one, then consistently reaching the top 8. When done then we can aspire at challenging teams like Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool. That won't happen over 1 or 2 seasons. This makes no sense. Aiming for top 6 doesn’t make us more likely to become a yo-yo club. 1
wardyfox86 Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 21 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: 3 world class players: 1 left. These players were not classed as anywhere near world class UNTIL that season. Who's to say Maguire doesn't have the season of his life, Silva becomes the player we all hoped for, Gray finally realises his potential and Iheanacho nets 25 goals as a number 10?
joachim1965 Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 1 hour ago, ZeGuy said: First, establish ourselves as PL team, not a yo-yo one, then consistently reaching the top 8. When done then we can aspire at challenging teams like Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool. That won't happen over 1 or 2 seasons. How can you say we need to establish ourselves in the PL, we won it ffs, top 6 should be the minimum we aim for now, Jesus, 20 years ago we could only dream about the riches our club now posseses. We need to lose the little club mentality. 2
ZeGuy Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 11 minutes ago, joachim1965 said: How can you say we need to establish ourselves in the PL, we won it ffs, top 6 should be the minimum we aim for now, Jesus, 20 years ago we could only dream about the riches our club now posseses. We need to lose the little club mentality. That one off really went straight to your head. There is a difference between ambition and delusion. 26 minutes ago, Blarmy said: This makes no sense. Aiming for top 6 doesn’t make us more likely to become a yo-yo club. Point missed. 26 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said: These players were not classed as anywhere near world class UNTIL that season. Who's to say Maguire doesn't have the season of his life, Silva becomes the player we all hoped for, Gray finally realises his potential and Iheanacho nets 25 goals as a number 10? Whilst no giving up on him yet don't think Gray will ever be half the player Mahrez is. He's no playmaker and lacks the necessary brains. Silva is 29, we'll see for Nacho. You lot want everything here and now. That's not how it works. 1
wardyfox86 Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: That one off really went straight to your head. There is a difference between ambition and delusion. Point missed. Whilst no giving up on him yet don't think Gray will ever be half the player Mahrez is. He's no playmaker and lacks the necessary brains. Silva is 29, we'll see for Nacho. You lot want everything here and now. That's not how it works. You're missing my point, nobody beforehand could have predicted Kante, Mahrez and Vardy becoming world class. I was only using those players as an example, but it only takes 3 or 4 of them to come good and we could have a few of the bigger teams looking over their shoulder. Consider your mindset in summer 2015, would you have been more, or less confident of us challenging top 6 than now? Edit: I'm not saying we SHOULD be challenging, it's just for arguments sake. Edited 7 June 2018 by wardyfox86 1
Blarmy Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 47 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: That one off really went straight to your head. There is a difference between ambition and delusion. Point missed. Whilst no giving up on him yet don't think Gray will ever be half the player Mahrez is. He's no playmaker and lacks the necessary brains. Silva is 29, we'll see for Nacho. You lot want everything here and now. That's not how it works. I didn’t miss the point - you’re saying we need gradual progress. However, you’re also saying the club should prepare for this somehow, which isn’t how sport works. If we’re good enough for sixth we’ll finish sixth, simple as that. Each season is standalone, there’s no benefit to some kind of five year master plan just for the sake of it. 1
Plastik Man Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 4 minutes ago, Blarmy said: I didn’t miss the point - you’re saying we need gradual progress. However, you’re also saying the club should prepare for this somehow, which isn’t how sport works. If we’re good enough for sixth we’ll finish sixth, simple as that. Each season is standalone, there’s no benefit to some kind of five year master plan just for the sake of it. This. What's the point of still just aiming for mid table? That's what Stoke did and got complacent. They got relegated. I think plenty of us felt that if we'd really gone for it last season we could've finished 7th. With a bit more quality maybe have challenged Arsenal for 6th. There's a gap to the top 6 but it's achievable with ambitious, wealthy owners and a well run club. It may take 5 years but it has to be the aim. When the opportunity comes you have to have the attitude to take it. Surely we all learnt that in 2015-16. To progress and attract better quality players we must have high aspirations.
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