What to do about the defense?

[Always Next Year]

Board up the goal?????

[Hanan96]

3 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Puel is a huge admirer of Gray but he wouldnt play him there. He'd be considered a striker if we were to play this system & Ghezal an attacking mid.  

 

 

The only players this system would harm would be Simpson, Silva (not sure he has the defensive attributes for this role)  and Gray. Anyone else would fit in perfectly. 

Yes they can all fit the attacking role, the problem is the number. How many attacking role can you have? Its 3 max. We have madison, vardy, gray, nacho, ghezzal. That's 5, and we still have diabate. 

4231 will give us 4 place to accommodate those player. We have 2 wingback only. So this team are suit more with 4 back system rather than 3.

3 hours ago, Pete from the USA said:

Yes, Ghezzal and Gray don't like to defend. They are the weak spots in the system. I would start Albrighton and Ricardo as wingbacks. They don't defend that much either, but remember we'd have three center backs backing them up.

Ghezzal did the defence work very well whenever he played. Gray start to do more defense but yet to do it constantly. 

2 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

This would probably be my first choice too.  But it would need a little patience and the back four would need time to develop.  The potential is there though.  X

Everything need patience. Even back 3 formation also need time to develop. We don't play that formation often, while the winger need to adapt more central role rather than cut inside from wide areas. 

Moreover, 7 or more of our player in first team are new guy. 

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, Hanan96 said:

Yes they can all fit the attacking role, the problem is the number. How many attacking role can you have? Its 3 max. We have madison, vardy, gray, nacho, ghezzal. That's 5, and we still have diabate. 

4231 will give us 4 place to accommodate those player. We have 2 wingback only. So this team are suit more with 4 back system rather than 3.

Ghezzal did the defence work very well whenever he played. Gray start to do more defense but yet to do it constantly. 

Everything need patience. Even back 3 formation also need time to develop. We don't play that formation often, while the winger need to adapt more central role rather than cut inside from wide areas. 

Moreover, 7 or more of our player in first team are new guy. 

I dont think we need to accommodate them though. Its not like the change would loose us a key player. The best of the 3 would start the rest on the bench.  

 

Football isnt all about having the best rated players on the pitch at the same time its about balance, we couldnt have been less balanced against Bournemouth.  All of those players fighting for the first team spot would give us excellent game changing options from the bench.  

 

We all know it might not work, it could just be something that seems good in theory but we just want to see it tested. If we gave it a go against Wolves in the cup and we went out, I think everyone would say fair enough. We'd perhaps see some of the faults with the system ourselves, but on paper it seems like the way we should be going to get the most out of our assets.   

 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

9 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Because there's an acceptance from some of us that there is no perfect tactical utopia. 

Utopia is not what I’m asking for.

 

To simplify matters; his results are very poor over an extended period given the squad he has to work with. Added to which there is no sign of us undoing the bad combination of being low scoring and conceding too many goals. We are actually on a massive slide in form since January.

 

 I’ve been calling this incompetence of his since then - it’s really obvious ??‍♂️

[mozartfox]

There are some great suggestions in this thread on how we could look to improve things.   BUT any team playing with CB's that are slow and lacking mobility are going to find themselves in deep trouble in the EPL.  If Puel persists going down this alley, then difficult to see how whomever else he selects around this 'element' is ever going to work.  So I feel it is a case of sorting that out first and foremost, then turn the attention to who plays in front of the wing-backs.  Once the defensive issues are resolved, Puel can look at the creative aspects up top.  He has a lot to do with this work in progress.

[ARM1968]

A good manager would see his system isn’t working and, whether he likes it or not, adapt. 

 

A manager who lrefuses to  see obvious problems and one who persists with a system which isn’t currently working, is a poor manager. 

 

These guys are paid a friggin fortune to do what they do. It really isn’t rocket. 

[Lambert09]

42 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

There are some great suggestions in this thread on how we could look to improve things.   BUT any team playing with CB's that are slow and lacking mobility are going to find themselves in deep trouble in the EPL.  If Puel persists going down this alley, then difficult to see how whomever else he selects around this 'element' is ever going to work.  So I feel it is a case of sorting that out first and foremost, then turn the attention to who plays in front of the wing-backs.  Once the defensive issues are resolved, Puel can look at the creative aspects up top.  He has a lot to do with this work in progress.

I agree with this but it worked with Was, Huth and Wes so it is possible.  Although I’d probably take the 2014 versions of them over what we have at the moment. 

 

I’m not sure what Soyuncu’s pace is like either. 

[l444ry]

7 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I agree with this but it worked with Was, Huth and Wes so it is possible.  Although I’d probably take the 2014 versions of them over what we have at the moment. 

 

I’m not sure what Soyuncu’s pace is like either. 

Having watched him in the Development side, I'd be more concerned about his dealing with the pace of the game rather than his pace over the ground. Think Puel will give Evans the nod tomorrow and maybe debut him at Wolves on Tuesday.  

[mozartfox]

8 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I agree with this but it worked with Was, Huth and Wes so it is possible.  Although I’d probably take the 2014 versions of them over what we have at the moment. 

 

I’m not sure what Soyuncu’s pace is like either. 

Kante made up for their lack of pace so teams found it difficult to attack through the CB’s.  Soyuncu will be more rapid than what we have bar Armatey and Benkovic.

[Lambert09]

19 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Kante made up for their lack of pace so teams found it difficult to attack through the CB’s.  Soyuncu will be more rapid than what we have bar Armatey and Benkovic.

But they also worked well in the great escape season when moved to a 3?  As this compensated for their lack of pace. 

[Clever Fox]

32 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

A good manager would see his system isn’t working and, whether he likes it or not, adapt. 

 

A manager who lrefuses to  see obvious problems and one who persists with a system which isn’t currently working, is a poor manager. 

 

These guys are paid a friggin fortune to do what they do. It really isn’t rocket. 

Not true. A good Manager designs the system to suit the players at his disposal. Then replacing those that don't suit his system.

 

Who  said he doesn't see the problems.. But he's limited in what he can do about it. Half the Team is new and they've played five games so far.

They 've only been together a Month now. Change takes time, why can't people see that.

 

Yes they're paid a lot of Money, but that's got very little to do with it. In the main they do it for personal pride.

Puel , whatever you think of him has a lot to be proud off. 3 or 4 years in England he has a Cup Final and 2 top ten finishes.

Bigger Clubs than us have taken 2 or 3 years to get it right.  Look at the money others have spent and where they are.

Utd, Spurs, Everton, West Ham. And they're supposed to have one of the top Managers.

 

Relax, Let Puel improve the players and judge him at the end of the season.

[FilbertFrog]

Rest Maguire 

[cropstonfox]

"rest" Gray.

[turtmcfly]

Rest home

 

[drofmor55]

On what i saw tonight, get Benkovich back from Celtic asap..only against Rosenburg i know but he looked class

[mozartfox]

4 minutes ago, drofmor55 said:

On what i saw tonight, get Benkovich back from Celtic asap..only against Rosenburg i know but he looked class

[mozartfox]

1 hour ago, Lambert09 said:

But they also worked well in the great escape season when moved to a 3?  As this compensated for their lack of pace. 

That was then.  We shall have to wait and see how Puel sorts this out.   If he fails, after buying 3 CB's and one FB, I fear he will be toast.  

[desertfox2]

Sorting out our defence will take time. Fuchs is the best left back I've seen us have in my lifetime. Chilwell is looking a great replacement. Huth his body made the decision easy luckily we found Maguire. Morgan has to be replaced, time waits for no man unfortunately. Simpson did an Alastair Cook (personally think AC sold himself short) squeezed every bit of his talent for us and for us. It's not an easy time to be our manager especially with Mahrez gone. We are not doing bad Considering

[ARM1968]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

Not true. A good Manager designs the system to suit the players at his disposal. Then replacing those that don't suit his system.

 

Who  said he doesn't see the problems.. But he's limited in what he can do about it. Half the Team is new and they've played five games so far.

They 've only been together a Month now. Change takes time, why can't people see that.

 

Yes they're paid a lot of Money, but that's got very little to do with it. In the main they do it for personal pride.

Puel , whatever you think of him has a lot to be proud off. 3 or 4 years in England he has a Cup Final and 2 top ten finishes.

Bigger Clubs than us have taken 2 or 3 years to get it right.  Look at the money others have spent and where they are.

Utd, Spurs, Everton, West Ham. And they're supposed to have one of the top Managers.

 

Relax, Let Puel improve the players and judge him at the end of the season.

Thought you were a Clever Fox?  One size fits all?  I don’t think so. 

[Hanan96]

6 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

I dont think we need to accommodate them though. Its not like the change would loose us a key player. The best of the 3 would start the rest on the bench.  

 

Football isnt all about having the best rated players on the pitch at the same time its about balance, we couldnt have been less balanced against Bournemouth.  All of those players fighting for the first team spot would give us excellent game changing options from the bench.  

 

We all know it might not work, it could just be something that seems good in theory but we just want to see it tested. If we gave it a go against Wolves in the cup and we went out, I think everyone would say fair enough. We'd perhaps see some of the faults with the system ourselves, but on paper it seems like the way we should be going to get the most out of our assets.   

 

Like I just said, there are too many adjustments we need to accommodate back 3. Aside from nacho and madison, the rest aren't used to it. Also, the rest of the team are rarely play with the back 3.so we need some more time aside from already waiting the half of our team which is new to the team. 

The back 4 can be back 3 when needed, our dm can drop back. With high defensive line they will be comfortable enough to play there. 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

Not true. A good Manager designs the system to suit the players at his disposal. Then replacing those that don't suit his system.

 

Who  said he doesn't see the problems.. But he's limited in what he can do about it. Half the Team is new and they've played five games so far.

They 've only been together a Month now. Change takes time, why can't people see that.

 

Yes they're paid a lot of Money, but that's got very little to do with it. In the main they do it for personal pride.

Puel , whatever you think of him has a lot to be proud off. 3 or 4 years in England he has a Cup Final and 2 top ten finishes.

Bigger Clubs than us have taken 2 or 3 years to get it right.  Look at the money others have spent and where they are.

Utd, Spurs, Everton, West Ham. And they're supposed to have one of the top Managers.

 

Relax, Let Puel improve the players and judge him at the end of the season.

Sensible post. Finally 

[Chrysalis]

need to bring in a defense coach.

 

the coaching team right now looks threadbare.

 

Also we need another defender that can organise as well as comfortable on the ball to play it out, wes has been a good servant to us but I think he should be a sub now not a starter.

Edited 21 September 2018 by Chrysalis

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Evans will start and the system wont change.

 

He said as much during the press conference.

[mozartfox]

4 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

need to bring in a defense coach.

 

the coaching team right now looks threadbare.

 

Also we need another defender that can organise as well as comfortable on the ball to play it out, wes has been a good servant to us but I think he should be a sub now not a starter.

Agreed.  We need to get someone 'new' in that can work on tightening up the defence.  Someone with Serie A experience might do the trick as defenses in this League are usually 'miserly' (but not Claudio ).

[foxinsocks]

Wots the situation with dragovic?

[foxinsocks]

5 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

need to bring in a defense coach.

 

the coaching team right now looks threadbare.

 

Also we need another defender that can organise as well as comfortable on the ball to play it out, wes has been a good servant to us but I think he should be a sub now not a starter.

I think we need to bring a fitness coach... our levels seem to have dropped.  We used to look high energy... both lpool and bmouth looked fitter

 

Nb when we are over run like first 30 mins v lpool we should clear it to row z