Puel in, but the debate should be there.

[Suzie the Fox]

To start this is not a Puel in or out thread.

 

I'm just after constructive comments  from my fellow FT friends, on the recent article my nephew has written. He is currently at Nottingham Uni studying sports journalism, so if you could spend a few mins out of your day to have a quick read and make any comments regarding writing style etc, it would be very much appreciated.

 

(Ive put this in the LCFC forum as its about Puel, but if the mods feel it would be better in a different section, feel free to move.)

 

Puel in, but the debate should be there

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November 11, 2018

Written by DOMINICWELLSSJ

What a job he’s done so far, following the abrupt endings to two of Leicester fans favourite recent managers in Claudio Ranieri and Craig Shakespeare. The timid Frenchman had big shoes to fill.

Success with Leicester always accompanied by the mention of the counter-attack, although they didn’t create counter-attacking as a whole, they revolutionised its implementation within the Premier League. But, Claude Puel’s style is a complete contrast to Leicester recent history, an ideology born on possession. Dominating the ball, to a point of suffocation on the opposition, eventually breaking through after creating a plethora of chances.

The transition hasn’t been easy, in certain areas, you’re limiting players abilities to accompany this new style. Jamie Vardy suits playing on the shoulder, involved only in the latter stages of the play, whereas within the Puel mold, he’s asked to join the attack almost prematurely, to not only deliver the final touch but to help begin the foundation for himself to finish.

The acquisition of Harry Maguire gives Leicester the freedom to dictate play from the back, yet he’s often partnered with Wes Morgan, a traditional, no-nonsense style of centre-half, whose peak ball-playing ability is a long-ball over the top, attempting to find an onrushing Vardy. He’s adapted fairly well has Morgan, but with a teething stage, and he still doesn’t possess a great deal of comfort when asked to play from the back.

Harry Maguire, a central-defender for Leicester City.

Puel’s team is only truly coming into fruition this season. He’s been able to dispatch players he deems unfit to play out his ideas, and in doing so, he’s brought in players who allow Puel to truly integrate his possession style. Being a lover of football, seeing Leicester delightfully calve open teams instead of watching the Riyad Mahrez-to-Vardy pass for the 100th time, is fairly refreshing, even if the impact isn’t half as deadly.

My issues lie within the players offloaded. It’s not even a personnel issue, it’s a style issue. There’s no disputing Mahrez is a massive miss, however, he was unlikely to be replaced especially with a player of equal quality. It’s more the removal (sale/loaning) of Leicester’s only two target-men in Leonardo Ulloa and Islam Slimani. Target-men aren’t facilitated within Puel’s style, and I don’t believe he should change his formula to accommodate them, however, there’s been multiple occasions this season that with 15-20 minutes left, after Puel’s ‘Plan A’ hasn’t yielded the results he’d like, the shift of dynamic a target-man can provide is undeniable.

Even still, there are other avenues a ‘Plan B’ can take, but Leicester’s does seem to naturally fall into finding the wide players for an onslaught of crossing opportunities, with nobody of any height attempting to compete in the air. Ulloa and Slimani were most definitely regarded as fringe players and with them being in the latter stages of their careers, potentially that’s not good enough for them personally. If so, Puel should have signed a target-man style striker, who’s not anti playing off the bench for the final third of each game.

It’s harsh to say Puel’s job is even up for discussion because it really shouldn’t be. However, there are at least six points they’ve missed out on, which although they’re not struggling in the Premier League, they would be in 6th place as it stands. A big difference. But nothing devastating enough to warrant a Puel out brigade.

 

November 11, 2018

Written by DOMINICWELLSSJ

 

Thanks everyone in advance for keeping it civil  

 

[foxfanazer]

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[OhYesNdidi]

I like Claude Puel. The job he’s done is massively underrated imo. Managed to take us away from a bottom half team which we were under raneiri/ shakey and turn us into a solid premier league side again whilst managing to lower our average team age massively. Our squad is probably the 9th or 10th best in the league and that is where we are. 

[AKCJ]

 

9 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said:

I like Claude Puel. The job he’s done is massively underrated imo. Managed to take us away from a bottom half team which we were under raneiri/ shakey and turn us into a solid premier league side again whilst managing to lower our average team age massively. Our squad is probably the 9th or 10th best in the league and that is where we are. 

I'd say it's a bit better than that.

[Suzie the Fox]

Thanks guys, keep the comments coming. This really is for the benefit of my nephew and the career path he is chosing. xx

 

 

[OhYesNdidi]

5 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

 

I'd say it's a bit better than that.

Well Everton’s in significantly better than ours player for player and then you’ve got wolves, West Ham who player for player are about as a good as us. 

 

*bournemouth look blo*** good aswell this season. 

Edited 12 November 2018 by OhYesNdidi

[Gwyn]

Carves not calf's , hell go along way?

[foxfanazer]

@Suzie the Fox I was joking, hence the emoji at the bottom of my post.

 

Its definitely up for discussion and I think whilst he’s here it always will be. I’ve never been so 50/50 on a manager. I admire a lot of the off field things he’s brought to club and the fact he’s persevered in trying to transform us into a better ball playing side. Some of his in game management is a little baffling at times but I think that’s true of most managers 

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said:

Well Everton’s in significantly better than ours player for player and then you’ve got wolves, West Ham who player for player are about as a good as us. 

 

*bournemouth look blo*** good aswell this season. 

I think only Everton and the 'Sky Sports Big 6' have better squads.

 

Ours is certainly better than Wolves, Bournemouth and West Ham.

[Alf Bentley]

2 minutes ago, Gwyn said:

Carves not calf's , hell go along way?

 

Hell goes a long way, but so does heaven. 

[OhYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

I think only Everton and the 'Sky Sports Big 6' have better squads.

 

Ours is certainly better than Wolves, Bournemouth and West Ham.

I disagree. Id say Schmeichel, Ricardo, Maguire, Chilwell would get into a combined X11. Most likely Vardy aswell but arnatavic is pretty good also. 

[Babylon]

35 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I think only Everton and the 'Sky Sports Big 6' have better squads.

 

Ours is certainly better than Wolves, Bournemouth and West Ham.

It's only 5 minutes since everyone was bumming all of West Hams signings. If they were all fit, they'd have a tidy squad every bit as good and IMO better individually than ours. Our team is full of promise, but it's not got many who've performed at the levels some of the West Ham squad have. We're an 8th, 9th, 10th squad and that's where we are.

[Captain...]

I agree with the sentiment, Puel has done a decent job and he has not taken the easy option, he has tried to rebuild the team into one playing the way he wants them to play. The players have worked hard to adapt, but I still feel we are not getting the best out of the squad we have and it is right to have the debate as we have dropped points when we shouldn't have.

 

Obviously recent events have overshadowed all that, but as we get back to the football he will come under scrutiny again. I agree with the point of a target man, sometimes we are crying out for Slimani or Ulloa to change the dynamic of the attack. Even if we just bring on Iborra to add an aerial threat. I question the logic in overloading the flanks with attacking full backs if there is nobody to get on the end of their crosses. A target man isn't the only plan B, I would like us to be more direct at times, suck teams in with the passing, then switch it up when they start pressing, go direct to Vardy a few times in a game and it keeps them worried at the back.  

 

I do feel we are one or 2 key signings or changes away from making it click, but I also fear we could be one injury/crisis of confidence away from it all going horribly wrong.

 

@Suzie the Fox The writing style needs work, first off there are a number of errors, it needs proof reading.

 

Secondly I dislike the first paragraph, (the lead) it doesn't sum up the article or set the scene. I would write something like this:

 

Claude Puel took over the reins at Leicester City in October 2017. He comfortably lead them out of the relegation zone to their second best league finish in 20 years. He has built a young exciting squad with 3 young foxes getting full England call ups. With the club currently comfortably mid table why is the softly spoken French man's position constantly questioned by the fans and the media?

 

Obviously that is personal taste and I am not qualified in any way to comment, but that then leads into the article.

[Suzie the Fox]

55 minutes ago, Gwyn said:

Carves not calf's , hell go along way?

Lol.. Yup picked up on that one. Thanks for pointing out. Feedback that helps is always good

[Suzie the Fox]

3 minutes ago, Captain... said:

I agree with the sentiment, Puel has done a decent job and he has not taken the easy option, he has tried to rebuild the team into one playing the way he wants them to play. The players have worked hard to adapt, but I still feel we are not getting the best out of the squad we have and it is right to have the debate as we have dropped points when we shouldn't have.

 

Obviously recent events have overshadowed all that, but as we get back to the football he will come under scrutiny again. I agree with the point of a target man, sometimes we are crying out for Slimani or Ulloa to change the dynamic of the attack. Even if we just bring on Iborra to add an aerial threat. I question the logic in overloading the flanks with attacking full backs if there is nobody to get on the end of their crosses. A target man isn't the only plan B, I would like us to be more direct at times, suck teams in with the passing, then switch it up when they start pressing, go direct to Vardy a few times in a game and it keeps them worried at the back.  

 

I do feel we are one or 2 key signings or changes away from making it click, but I also fear we could be one injury/crisis of confidence away from it all going horribly wrong.

 

@Suzie the Fox The writing style needs work, first off there are a number of errors, it needs proof reading.

 

Secondly I dislike the first paragraph, (the lead) it doesn't sum up the article or set the scene. I would write something like this:

 

Claude Puel took over the reins at Leicester City in October 2017. He comfortably lead them out of the relegation zone to their second best league finish in 20 years. He has built a young exciting squad with 3 young foxes getting full England call ups. With the club currently comfortably mid table why is the softly spoken French man's position constantly questioned by the fans and the media?

 

Obviously that is personal taste and I am not qualified in any way to comment, but that then leads into the article.

Really appreciate your feedback, without comments like this 'one' can never improve and that's basically why i posted this on here. 

 

 

[ian_marshall]

@Suzie the Fox Generally speaking it's a good start and shows he has potential but I agree with most of the feedback so far.

 

For me, where he cites changes to the style of play I'd like to see him back it up with references to statistics and rationale, e.g. 'Having switched from a Counter Attacking style of play with circa 30% possession, Leicester have now transitioned into a team that dictates the play of the ball, doubling their possession rates to closer to 60-70% under Puel's guidance. It's a philosophy often adopted by Europe's finest, one which requires skill and precision, yet when implemented successfully yields success by not only limiting the time the opposition have on the ball, which in turn reduces their attacking threat, but also improves efficiency by conserving energy whilst forcing the opponent to run further and work harder to retrieve the ball.'

 

For me I like to see some context to what has been written. I also think it's important not to assume that your audience has a good knowledge of the subject, and therefore by offering insight the writer sets the scene for a reader who is either new to the subject or only shows a passing interest. 

 

The only other thing I would say, is that reading the article I really think your nephew could benefit from reading not only more, but also a broader spectrum of material from journal's through to academic publication's across many differing subjects. This would massively increase his repertoire of writing styles and allow him to be more adaptive depending on the subject written about. 

 

I wish him well on his journey and look forward to reading more of his work and seeing it evolve. 

[Crinklyfox]

Articles are sometimes limited in nature, the journalist has to get their message across within a certain number of words, especially in the written press.

 

Having said that I think it would be beneficial to expand the article to go into why the style had to be changed.  The audience to the piece are unlikely to be City fans in the main, so may not appreciate that the counter-attacking style that was so successful in our title-winning year was not serving us as well the next season.  The opposition knew what to expect and set up to negate it.  Had we not changed our style it is likely that we would have been in a relegation scrap by the end of the season.  Puel has changed City's style of play radically, but we still have the counterattacking option should we need it.  

[Stoopid]

2 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

To start this is not a Puel in or out thread.

 

I'm just after constructive comments  from my fellow FT friends, on the recent article my nephew has written. He is currently at Nottingham Uni studying sports journalism, so if you could spend a few mins out of your day to have a quick read and make any comments regarding writing style etc, it would be very much appreciated.

 

(Ive put this in the LCFC forum as its about Puel, but if the mods feel it would be better in a different section, feel free to move.)

 

Puel in, but the debate should be there

0

November 11, 2018

Written by DOMINICWELLSSJ

What a job he’s done so far, following the abrupt endings to two of Leicester fans favourite recent managers in Claudio Ranieri and Craig Shakespeare. The timid Frenchman had big shoes to fill.

Success with Leicester always accompanied by the mention of the counter-attack, although they didn’t create counter-attacking as a whole, they revolutionised its implementation within the Premier League. But, Claude Puel’s style is a complete contrast to Leicester recent history, an ideology born on possession. Dominating the ball, to a point of suffocation on the opposition, eventually breaking through after creating a plethora of chances.

The transition hasn’t been easy, in certain areas, you’re limiting players abilities to accompany this new style. Jamie Vardy suits playing on the shoulder, involved only in the latter stages of the play, whereas within the Puel mold, he’s asked to join the attack almost prematurely, to not only deliver the final touch but to help begin the foundation for himself to finish.

The acquisition of Harry Maguire gives Leicester the freedom to dictate play from the back, yet he’s often partnered with Wes Morgan, a traditional, no-nonsense style of centre-half, whose peak ball-playing ability is a long-ball over the top, attempting to find an onrushing Vardy. He’s adapted fairly well has Morgan, but with a teething stage, and he still doesn’t possess a great deal of comfort when asked to play from the back.

Harry Maguire, a central-defender for Leicester City.

Puel’s team is only truly coming into fruition this season. He’s been able to dispatch players he deems unfit to play out his ideas, and in doing so, he’s brought in players who allow Puel to truly integrate his possession style. Being a lover of football, seeing Leicester delightfully calve open teams instead of watching the Riyad Mahrez-to-Vardy pass for the 100th time, is fairly refreshing, even if the impact isn’t half as deadly.

My issues lie within the players offloaded. It’s not even a personnel issue, it’s a style issue. There’s no disputing Mahrez is a massive miss, however, he was unlikely to be replaced especially with a player of equal quality. It’s more the removal (sale/loaning) of Leicester’s only two target-men in Leonardo Ulloa and Islam Slimani. Target-men aren’t facilitated within Puel’s style, and I don’t believe he should change his formula to accommodate them, however, there’s been multiple occasions this season that with 15-20 minutes left, after Puel’s ‘Plan A’ hasn’t yielded the results he’d like, the shift of dynamic a target-man can provide is undeniable.

Even still, there are other avenues a ‘Plan B’ can take, but Leicester’s does seem to naturally fall into finding the wide players for an onslaught of crossing opportunities, with nobody of any height attempting to compete in the air. Ulloa and Slimani were most definitely regarded as fringe players and with them being in the latter stages of their careers, potentially that’s not good enough for them personally. If so, Puel should have signed a target-man style striker, who’s not anti playing off the bench for the final third of each game.

It’s harsh to say Puel’s job is even up for discussion because it really shouldn’t be. However, there are at least six points they’ve missed out on, which although they’re not struggling in the Premier League, they would be in 6th place as it stands. A big difference. But nothing devastating enough to warrant a Puel out brigade.

 

November 11, 2018

Written by DOMINICWELLSSJ

 

Thanks everyone in advance for keeping it civil  

 

Decent effort, but always remember Orwell's advice when writing English. Keep it simple. Avoid words like 'implementation' and 'premature ' when you mean 'use' and 'early'.  Shorter words and shorter sentences are key, especially in journalism. Hope this helps.

[Ted Maul]

2 hours ago, AKCJ said:

I think only Everton and the 'Sky Sports Big 6' have better squads.

 

Ours is certainly better than Wolves, Bournemouth and West Ham.

West Ham are restricted by injuries at the moment but their attacking options are better than ours.

[Suzie the Fox]

19 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Decent effort, but always remember Orwell's advice when writing English. Keep it simple. Avoid words like 'implementation' and 'premature ' when you mean 'use' and 'early'.  Shorter words and shorter sentences are key, especially in journalism. Hope this helps.

I like short sentences too, makes for easier reading.

(Sadly i don't have the option of whether to use big words - i don't know any  )

 

Thank you for your comments and everyone else that has responded. It really will help my nephew. 

[filthyfox]

3 hours ago, AKCJ said:

 

I'd say it's a bit better than that.

I agree.... I say 7th 

[Stoopid]

3 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

I like short sentences too, makes for easier reading.

(Sadly i don't have the option of whether to use big words - i don't know any  )

 

Thank you for your comments and everyone else that has responded. It really will help my nephew. 

Best advice I can offer your nephew is to read Orwell's essay(s) 'Politics & The English Language' and 'The Prevention Of Literature' Can't quite remember without looking it up whether they are two separate essays of part of the same one. Either way, don't be put off by the titles. They offer the best guide I know to writing clear precise and memorable English.

Should be required reading for anyone who wants to make a living by writing.

All the best, and good luck to the lad.

[Evington Fosse Fox]

3 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Thanks guys, keep the comments coming. This really is for the benefit of my nephew and the career path he is chosing. xx

 

Good article.. (Are you watching Mr Ian Stringer!). 

[Hanan96]

There's one mistery I would like to discuss here. I'm yet to get answer. 

Why he keep bring okazaki on instead of iborra? Okazaki isn't young talents, and isn't possession type of player. 

 

Iborra would at least offer aerial duels and better with the ball 

[urban.spaceman]

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Edited 12 November 2018 by urban.spaceman