Foxxed Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 May got voted in with 199 votes. So, if she gets about 180+ votes it shows her party supports her and her Brexit. Much less then she, her party and her Brexit have some pretty deep cracks cutting through them. They could still vote down her Brexit deal anyway. The never ending Brexit.
Jon the Hat Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 9 minutes ago, Foxxed said: May got voted in with 199 votes. So, if she gets about 180+ votes it shows her party supports her and her Brexit. Much less then she, her party and her Brexit have some pretty deep cracks cutting through them. They could still vote down her Brexit deal anyway. The never ending Brexit. Her deal IS the never ending Brexit!!
The Horse's Mouth Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 Mad on a mad day like this you're banging on about the belgrano
Foxxed Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 5 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Her deal IS the never ending Brexit!! I hope you're willing on the ERG then. Then we can have the simple, quick no-deal brexit. Being surrounded by the world's biggest trading block - what damage could it do?
Izzy Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 Can't be doing with the BBC's Laura Kusenwotsit. Drama queen...
stripeyfox Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 2 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Can't be doing with the BBC's Laura Kusenwotsit. Drama queen... she irritates me, but I entertain her on the basis that she looks like the barmaid who used to work down our local 20 odd years ago who allowed me to a have a "romantic encounter" with her....
The Horse's Mouth Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 She lives to fight another day then
The Horse's Mouth Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 1 minute ago, stripeyfox said: she irritates me, but I entertain her on the basis that she looks like the barmaid who used to work down our local 20 odd years ago who allowed me to a have a "romantic encounter" with her.... I think she gets a lot of unfair flak tbf
David Guiza Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 Losing 117 out of 317 votes from your own party is going to take some spin to be turned into a positive, particularly when you consider some who voted in favour are doing so to protect their own position. What an awful mess.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 That's a lot of pressure on despite winning. It's not a margin where the ERG are going to go away and be nice. I'm off to cry at missing the easiest 1/2 shot I can remember in the betting.
Alf Bentley Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 Just now, Izzy Muzzett said: Is she hitchhiking to Dublin, then? Locked OUT of her car this time?
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 1 minute ago, David Guiza said: Losing 117 out of 317 votes from your own party is going to take some spin to be turned into a positive, particularly when you consider some who voted in favour are doing so to protect their own position. What an awful mess. Could be worse though
stripeyfox Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 2 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: I think she gets a lot of unfair flak tbf did you used to drink down my local too then?
Alf Bentley Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: That's a lot of pressure on despite winning. It's not a margin where the ERG are going to go away and be nice. I'm off to cry at missing the easiest 1/2 shot I can remember in the betting. You'd have won the hypothetical bet of a pint that I offered on 120+ voting against her, too..........but only just.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said: You'd have won the hypothetical bet of a pint that I offered on 120+ voting against her, too..........but only just. Just send me half mate its good
David Guiza Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Could be worse though Absolutely, what a mess on both sides. I assume JRM and co will accept the result wholeheartedly as 63% is such a hefty percentage and the people have spoken .
Buce Posted 12 December 2018 Author Posted 12 December 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: That's a lot of pressure on despite winning. It's not a margin where the ERG are going to go away and be nice. I'm off to cry at missing the easiest 1/2 shot I can remember in the betting. If it makes you feel better, I had a few quid on for you.
Alf Bentley Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 Just now, MattP said: Just send me half mate its good Pouring it in the envelope as we speak....
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: If it makes you feel better, I had a few quid on for you. Certainly does.
Mayofox Posted 12 December 2018 Posted 12 December 2018 I wish John Crace in the Guardian would tell us how he really feels. --Just another day in the shitshow Brexitland hell. A government that has been found in contempt of parliament. An opposition that doesn't really know how to oppose. A country burning in front of everyone's eyes, and a Tory party only interested in tearing itself apart.
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2018 Posted 13 December 2018 This has all come at a very good time for Nicola Sturgeon.
The Guvnor Posted 13 December 2018 Posted 13 December 2018 So as expected she survives the vote, however if you subtract the 'payroll voters' it is a damaging vote. TM is now attempting to have a legally binding rubber stamp on a temporary Backstop, what is 'temporary' though? If the deal is amended and still voted down, with no prospect of a GE then it should be put back to the people, and as the original vote was to leave there needs to be a binary choice, the deal or a clean break on WTO rules.
Foxxed Posted 13 December 2018 Posted 13 December 2018 The German Parliament voted against renegotiating the Brexit withdrawal agreement. So if she can't renegotiation (only clarify) and the UK Parliament votes against that, I guess we'll have a no deal. Here's the beeb on what would happen with WTO rules with a no brexit https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45112872 Will the EU now give us better tariffs for over 50% of our imports and 45% exports now we're outside the EU? And the rest of the world for that matter? I guess that'll be our new year's present to ourselves.
davieG Posted 13 December 2018 Posted 13 December 2018 Nine versions of a People’s Vote: how a referendum could look Freddie Sayers December 13 2018, 12:01am, The Times ANDY RAIN/EPA A “People’s Vote” has been presented as an outcome in itself but there are at least nine potential referendums. 1. SIMPLE REMAIN/LEAVE VOTE Fails to address the main argument for another vote, to explain what “leave” really means, and is open to the accusation that people are being asked again in the hope of getting a different result. Estimated result (based on average of past five polls by Kantar, ComRes and YouGov): Remain 52 per cent, Leave 48. 2. BINARY REFERENDUM: REMAIN V NO-DEAL BREXIT The argument for it is that if May’s compromise option is defeated it ceases to be an option, so the people should be offered the two visions. Estimated result (YouGov): Remain 52, Leave 48. 3. BINARY REFERENDUM: REMAIN V MAY’S DEAL The argument for this format is that this deal is the only realistic Brexit on offer. Estimated result (YouGov) Remain 50, Leave 50. 4. BINARY REFERENDUM: DEAL V NO DEAL Little chance of this — it would not get past MPs without a Remain option being included. Estimated result (YouGov): Deal 65, no deal 35. 5. TWO-STAGE REFERENDUM Remain v Leave, followed by a “deal or no deal” follow-up question if Leave wins. This suffers from a major flaw: if Leave wins the first question, it would be undemocratic to restrict the choice of what type of Brexit we have to Leave voters. Estimated result: Remain. 6. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (FIRST PAST THE POST) This would not happen as the Leave vote would be split in two, so the format is unfair. Estimated result: Remain 46.2 per cent, deal 27.1, no deal 26.6. 7. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (AV) Voters rank their preferences, the losing option is removed and its votes are reassigned until one option passes 50 per cent. Estimated result (YouGov): Inconclusive. 8. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (CONDORCET METHOD) Voters are asked to rank their preferences and then the results are reduced to three theoretical head-to-heads. Estimated result (YouGov): Inconclusive. 9. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (BUCKLIN VOTING) Voters rank their preferences and if one gains 50 per cent on the first round they win. If they don’t, all the second preferences count. Estimated result (YouGov) May’s deal wins, with 87.4 per cent acceding to it as first or second choice, compared with 55.9 per cent for Remain and 47.8 per cent for no deal. Freddie Sayers is the founder of PoliticsHome and a former editor-in-chief of YouGov.
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