What's in the news?

[Bunyip]

11 hours ago, Mayofox said:

May could have stood and fought, but she's running back to squeeze some blood out of the EU stone. Her deal is now worthless, as the EU leaders say there will be no more discussion. We're watching a slow political death.

 

And the option of going over the cliff with a 'No' deal?  A fall in living standards, shortages of food and medicines, ports blocked? Hands up those who  voted for that.

 

I've lived in Ireland for over 20 years, and intend to apply for Irish citizenship in the New Year.  Here we may be shaping the rules that you will have accept.

 

 

Apply as soon as possible we don't need scaremongers like you with absolutely  no evidence to back it up.   Cheerio and good luck with your Euro and living under a dictatorship.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, surrifox said:

not me guv

Maybe if you'd have joined in we'd have gotten that pay rise

 

Excelsior!

[Guest MattP]

Vote will be held before 21st January.

Part of me thinks the whole house should be sitting now until this is sorted, I bet they would find a solution to make it through parliament if the prospect of them being there every day through the Christmas and New Year recess was a possibiility.

[Jon the Hat]

3 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

Why do I watch C4 news they seem obsessed with the fishing industry or immigrants.

 

Just yesterday someone stated we've got to stop people coming into this country, we've go to stop them treating this country like treasure island.  It's incredible that people still believe immigrants are desperate to come here just to claim benefits, benefits which most aren't even entitled too.  The majority of immigrants who do claim are actually working.

 

Why people constantly believe in these negative stereotypes is beyond me and all I can put it down to is they want to believe it.

Perhaps it is their direct experience of losing jobs and housing to immigrants.

[urban.spaceman]

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A man is being held by armed police officers inside the grounds of Parliament in Westminster.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg says she saw the man on the ground when she first saw the disturbance.

He is back on his feet in handcuffs and talking to officers, she tweeted.

 

 

[purpleronnie]

18 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Perhaps it is their direct experience of losing jobs and housing to immigrants.

Come off it John that language only means one thing..  Not that I want to debate immigrants and jobs, but theres very little evidence of immigrants taking away from the job market and plenty to suggest immigration help create them. As for social housing, the lack of builds is the key and immigration has very little impact.

[Guest MattP]

Just now, purpleronnie said:

Come off it John that language only means one thing..  Not that I want to debate immigrants and jobs, but theres very little evidence of immigrants taking away from the job market and plenty to suggest immigration help create them. As for social housing, the lack of builds is the key and immigration has very little impact. 

Even the Chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, admitted that it had a deleterious effect on the wages of the lowest paid in society and that's without taking into account the impact it would have had on social cohesion which we can't measure in economics.

To try and claim having a net migration of around 250,000-330,000 for fifteen consecutive years has "very little impact" on housing is ludicrous, we can point the finger at government if we want but building for that sort of influx in such a short space of time isn't realistically possible and certainly not financially viable given we were running a huge budget deficit from 2010.

One of the biggest problems with uncontrolled migration from the EU was that you couldn't predict the numbers with any accuracy as shown by the now hilarious predictions that only about 13,000 Poles would arrive by the Blair administration - https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story

There are things we need to do regarding housing and I hope government does take it, I'm not now completely opposed to things like banning holiday home ownership etc for the greedy bastards who do it but to suggest numbers has played no part is ridiculous.

[purpleronnie]

12 minutes ago, MattP said:

Even the Chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, admitted that it had a deleterious effect on the wages of the lowest paid in society and that's without taking into account the impact it would have had on social cohesion which we can't measure in economics.

To try and claim having a net migration of around 250,000-330,000 for fifteen consecutive years has "very little impact" on housing is ludicrous, we can point the finger at government if we want but building for that sort of influx in such a short space of time isn't realistically possible and certainly not financially viable given we were running a huge budget deficit from 2010.

One of the biggest problems with uncontrolled migration from the EU was that you couldn't predict the numbers with any accuracy as shown by the now hilarious predictions that only about 13,000 Poles would arrive by the Blair administration - https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story

There are things we need to do regarding housing and I hope government does take it, I'm not now completely opposed to things like banning holiday home ownership etc for the greedy bastards who do it but to suggest numbers has played no part is ridiculous.

Matt we're not talking about uncontrolled migration we're talking about peoples perceptions of immigrants and why they are coming here, I just found it sad that this was the reason he gave despite all the evidence against this simplistic view.

I could go into unskilled wages/immigration debate as there's plenty of evidence to suggest it has a tiny effect but that would get boring really quickly.

 

 

[surrifox]

21 minutes ago, MattP said:

Even the Chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, admitted that it had a deleterious effect on the wages of the lowest paid in society and that's without taking into account the impact it would have had on social cohesion which we can't measure in economics.

To try and claim having a net migration of around 250,000-330,000 for fifteen consecutive years has "very little impact" on housing is ludicrous, we can point the finger at government if we want but building for that sort of influx in such a short space of time isn't realistically possible and certainly not financially viable given we were running a huge budget deficit from 2010.

One of the biggest problems with uncontrolled migration from the EU was that you couldn't predict the numbers with any accuracy as shown by the now hilarious predictions that only about 13,000 Poles would arrive by the Blair administration - https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story

There are things we need to do regarding housing and I hope government does take it, I'm not now completely opposed to things like banning holiday home ownership etc for the greedy bastards who do it but to suggest numbers has played no part is ridiculous.

how about entire blocks of luxury London riverside  flats built by Russian kleptocrats and wealthy Middle eastern interests happy to keep them unoccupied and watch the capital values increase year on year- some displacing "affordable " housing in such desperately short supply

[Guest MattP]

Just now, purpleronnie said:

Matt we're not talking about uncontrolled migration we're talking about peoples perceptions of immigrants and why they are coming here, I just found it sad that this was the reason he gave despite all the evidence against this simplistic view.

I could go into unskilled wages/immigration debate as there's plenty of evidence to suggest it has a tiny effect but that would get boring really quickly.

Why get so bothered about one bloke on the news? It means nothing.

[Mayofox]

3 hours ago, surrifox said:

Remind me again how many times Ireland voted to leave before the “right” result was attained 

We didn't vote to leave, and never have done to nor ever will. We took issue with some aspects of the Lisbon treaty, and got them amended, and then voted again on the  changed text, and it was ratified. 

[purpleronnie]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

Why get so bothered about one bloke on the news? It means nothing.

That's true, but unfortunately I'm heard similar things many times.

[Leicester_Loyal]

5 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

Why do I watch C4 news they seem obsessed with the fishing industry or immigrants.

 

Just yesterday someone stated we've got to stop people coming into this country, we've go to stop them treating this country like treasure island.  It's incredible that people still believe immigrants are desperate to come here just to claim benefits, benefits which most aren't even entitled too.  The majority of immigrants who do claim are actually working. 

 

Why people constantly believe in these negative stereotypes is beyond me and all I can put it down to is they want to believe it.

We have got to limit the number of migrants in all fairness, we are an island and we can only keep sustained for so long.

 

If a immigrant wants to come here and work, they should be allowed too, but we can't accept everyone.

[lifted*fox]

immigrants aren't the cause of issues in this country - the government and austerity have ruined this country and they've paid the media to tell you it's the immigrants.

 

we have had the power to control our immigration in terms of numbers and demographic and we've not used it.

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

immigrants aren't the cause of issues in this country - the government and austerity have ruined this country and they've paid the media to tell you it's the immigrants.

 

we have had the power to control our immigration in terms of numbers and demographic and we've not used it.

Oh without a doubt, but uncontrolled immigration is just one of plenty of issues we have atm (although the Tories did say they were going to limit it to a low number, yeah righto)

[Guest MattP]

 

[Nick]

15 minutes ago, MattP said:

 

 

He's certainly a bit of a crazy old northerner, thats for sure.

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

He's certainly a bit of a crazy old northerner, thats for sure.

I've obviously enjoyed him far more than I used to since the EU referendum. He was even quoting Thatcher yesterday at one point

[Nick]

Just now, MattP said:

I've obviously enjoyed him far more than I used to since the EU referendum. He was even quoting Thatcher yesterday at one point

Yeah I'm not even certain the FRIT line was even accurate to be honest!

[Guest MattP]

Imagine agreeing to do a comedy night for charity, free of charge - then turning up and being asked to comply with this.

 

[davieG]

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Luca Campanaro was fatally injured while playing in goal for Bedgrove Dynamos
A 14-year-old goalkeeper has died after he was injured in a "freak accident" involving another player at a youth football match.

Luca Campanaro, a Bedgrove Dynamos player from Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, was hurt at an away match in Hillingdon, west London on Sunday.

He was airlifted to the Royal London Hospital where he died on Monday.

Luca's father, Americo Campanaro, said: "I feel like my heart has been ripped out."

Mr Campanaro added: "He was a big lad, a big unit, that's why he was a goalkeeper, with a big heart to match. A gentle giant."

He said his son was "very popular" and would "do anything for anyone".

The teenager had been playing an under-15 match against Harefield United when he collided with another player and Mr Campanaro said: "No one is to blame, I feel sorry for the other lad.

"What happened on Sunday was a freak accident, but [Luca] went doing what he loved."

Luca's 70-year-old grandfather Gerard Conroy, a former RAF nurse, rushed on to the pitch to help the teenager when he was injured.

Americo Campanaro said his son "just loved the game"
A statement released by his club on Monday said: "We are deeply saddened to have to announce that a young player from the club sadly passed away this afternoon after being involved in a collision during a youth match on Sunday 9th December.

"Our thoughts are with Luca's family and loved ones at this distressing time.

"We also offer our heartfelt condolences to his teammates and all associated with the club as we now try to come to terms with the tragic loss of our friend and teammate.

"With the family's approval we will be honouring our weekend fixtures with a minute's applause to celebrate the life of this fantastic young man."

His stepfather Adam Keedle described Luca as an "amazing young man and a real loss to the world" and said he could not offer "enough" praise to the medical staff who treated him at the scene and in hospital.

Luca was an "avid" Tottenham fan
Close family friend Dave Garricks has set up a JustGiving page to raise funds for the family. It currently stands at more than £13,000.

"I am shocked. It's no life at 14 to be taken," he said.

He described The Mandeville School pupil as a dedicated footballer who loved the game and was an avid Tottenham Hotspur fan.

In a statement, his school said he had been studying for his GCSEs and a member of staff said he was "on course for achieving excellent results".

Andria Hanham, his school principal, added: "There are no words to describe how we feel in losing Luca from our school community. He was an extremely popular boy and well-liked by his peers and staff."

Harefield United said in a statement everyone was "devastated" by the news.

Club secretary Ray Green said those involved in the match would be receiving support.

"The first team are at home on 22 December. We are going to have a pay what you want entry and all the gate money will go toward fundraising [for Luca's family]," he added.

Mr Campanaro said his son's organs would be donated and that "four lives are going to be saved because of Luca".

 

RIP

So sad feel for the parents.

Great attitude towards the other player and the organ donation

[Jimothy]

33 minutes ago, MattP said:

Imagine agreeing to do a comedy night for charity, free of charge - then turning up and being asked to comply with this.

 

A lot of comedy is taking the piss out of people, and those are often the main subjects. People need to understand these are jokes and aren't be taken seriously even if you are the subject. As Jim Jefferies says in his brilliant piece on Bill Cosby. "There's a big ****ing difference between what I think, and what I think is funny. If you wanna know my actual opinion it's this, I don't wanna be raped by Bill Cosby. I think he's a horrible man and he should go to jail. But if I came out here and said that you'd all be like "Oooh Jim's lost his edge."." And it's so true, comedy isn't truthful. Stand ups don't get up on stage and tell completely true stories, the exaggerate them. They're not up there giving you their actual opinion, their trying to make you laugh. It's not a TED talk. I can't imagine a stand up getting up on stage and not taking the piss out of themselves or someone else at some point. Even Jason Manford, one of the cleanest comics out there, takes the piss out of people.

[Max Wall]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Imagine agreeing to do a comedy night for charity, free of charge - then turning up and being asked to comply with this.

 

**** sake. If classism goes, what will we have left? Our society is built on it.

On another note, I'm old and I love ageism, what's wrong with pointing out someone is falling apart? 

[Max Wall]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Imagine agreeing to do a comedy night for charity, free of charge - then turning up and being asked to comply with this.

 

Maybe Yoko is the on the university board......

 

Give Peace a Chance - John Lennon

 

Ev'rybody's talking 'bout
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism........ageism, classism, racism, sexism
This-ism, that-ism

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

 

 

 

 

 

[FoxesDeb]

42 minutes ago, davieG said:

RIP

So sad feel for the parents.

Great attitude towards the other player and the organ donation

Read that earlier, it's absolutely heartbreaking but sadly all too common. It seems that you just don't know until it's possibly too late. One of my best friends died in the exact same circumstances when we were 18, and it was devastating.