Bobby Hundreds Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 4 minutes ago, purpleronnie said: Correct and now those same moderates are crying about the possibility of boris leading us into a no deal Brexit...well you had your chance(s) and blew it. I don't agree, the rigmarole starts again.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Farage has basically had a massive input in shaping and defining the direction that the Tory party has taken for the past few years.
MC Prussian Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 4 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Farage has basically had a massive input in shaping and defining the direction that the Tory party has taken for the past few years. As the head of UKIP? Even if this were true, what does that say about the Tories' backbone?
Innovindil Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Farage has basically had a massive input in shaping and defining the direction that the Tory party has taken for the past few years. Definitely. They had the possibility of bringing him into the tory party too. When he offered his services he should have been given an advisory role imo. Could have easily backfired by giving him a platform, but it's hard to believe the damage could have been any worse than it is now.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Just now, MC Prussian said: As the head of UKIP? Even if this were true, what does that say about the Tories' backbone? Yes. The reason we had a referendum in the first place was because of UKIPs stance on it. And without those votes at the David Cameron GE Labour would have won.
Guest MattP Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 5 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said: I don't agree, the rigmarole starts again. It certainly does. But now to stop No Deal you need Tory MP's to bring down their own government and believe that a Jeremy Corbyn Labour government led provides a better future for the country (given its almost certain that's the immediate Tory policy if Raab or Boris wins) - that's a far more significant step than just voting against it. 3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Farage has basically had a massive input in shaping and defining the direction that the Tory party has taken for the past few years. The leadership election couldn't come at a worse time for Tory remainers given it will be on the backdrop of a Brexit party election win and possibly a by election win.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 I do wonder how many leaders we'll have to go through before the cuckoo landers finally realise what is possible and what Brexit should be if it is to be anything. Because 'believing in Brexit', soundbites, hubris, talking at the EU until they understand doesn't solve any of the problems that exist. No deal isn't a solution either. We ended up where we are now by not facing up to the realities of the modern world.
Buce Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 13 minutes ago, MattP said: It certainly does. But now to stop No Deal you need Tory MP's to bring down their own government and believe that a Jeremy Corbyn Labour government led provides a better future for the country (given its almost certain that's the immediate Tory policy if Raab or Boris wins) - that's a far more significant step than just voting against it. A number of Tories have said they'll resign the whip if BoJo is PM or in the event of a No Deal Brexit. And No Deal doesn't answer the Irish border question either, so it's doubtful BoJo will have the numbers without calling a GE, surely?
Matt Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Oh my, the faux outrage, not necessarily on here just in general. She didn’t do a great job but neither did the person before her, neither will the next person.
davieG Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 I've got a strong feeling it'll be groundhog day but with different actors.
Guest MattP Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 9 minutes ago, Buce said: A number of Tories have said they'll resign the whip if BoJo is PM or in the event of a No Deal Brexit. And No Deal doesn't answer the Irish border question either, so it's doubtful BoJo will have the numbers without calling a GE, surely? Saying and doing are two different things though. Grieve was one of those who said that and he's already rolled back, Allen has already gone, same with Soubry. A lot depends on polling as well - if Boris does well they soon change. Corbyn a prime example - 80% of his party vote NC and he's unfit to be PM, does well in an election and they are giving him a standing ovation.
Buce Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Saying and doing are two different things though. Grieve was one of those who said that and he's already rolled back, Allen has already gone, same with Soubry. A lot depends on polling as well - if Boris does well they soon change. Corbyn a prime example - 80% of his party vote NC and he's unfit to be PM, does well in an election and they are giving him a standing ovation. Sure, but without DUP support it's a minority government, so even a handful would be enough to make a difference.
Guest MattP Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 9 minutes ago, Buce said: Sure, but without DUP support it's a minority government, so even a handful would be enough to make a difference. Don't take it for granted the 15-20 Labour leavers vote for it.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Let's not also forget her betrayal on the Northern Island veterans either. She gets no sympathy from me!
Buce Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Just now, Leicester_Loyal said: Let's not also forget her betrayal on the Northern Island veterans either. She gets no sympathy from me! What betrayal was that?
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Just now, Buce said: What betrayal was that? Prosecuting the veterans and treating them the same way as IRA terrorists. *Awaits your reply to tell me they deserve that*
Buce Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Just now, Leicester_Loyal said: Prosecuting the veterans and treating them the same way as IRA terrorists. *Awaits your reply to tell me they deserve that* You mean the ones involved in Bloody Sunday?
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 2 minutes ago, Buce said: You mean the ones involved in Bloody Sunday? No, the ones like Mr Griffin. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48369310 The ones related to Bloody Sunday are rightly investigated. She's given some republicans a free pass (some are even sitting in parliament, although not literally) while going after our own.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 Raab or BJ will end up getting the PM position. Rory Stewart can piss off the little creep!
Buce Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: No, the ones like Mr Griffin. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48369310 I don't really have any knowledge of this but I'm not sure it's something you can lay at May's door - wouldn't that be a government decision, rather than a personal one?
LiberalFox Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 She was the worst PM since David Cameron. TM enacted A50 and agreed the basis for leaving the EU but couldn't get it past her own MPs and it was never going to satisfy the majority of Brexit voters who have unreasonable expectations. The irony is that if she had got more votes in her snap election we'd probably be outside the EU now.
Jimothy Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 2 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: She was the worst PM since David Cameron. TM enacted A50 and agreed the basis for leaving the EU but couldn't get it past her own MPs and it was never going to satisfy the majority of Brexit voters who have unreasonable expectations. The irony is that if she had got more votes in her snap election we'd probably be outside the EU now. She was the only PM since David Cameron
Brizzle Fox Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Raab or BJ will end up getting the PM position. Rory Stewart can piss off the little creep! What's wrong with Stewart? Comes across to me as one of the few sane one nation tory voices left in the party. He has 0 chance of getting the leadership anyway in the present climate.
AKCJ Posted 24 May 2019 Posted 24 May 2019 3 hours ago, EnderbyFox said: Christ what a thoroughly depressing list that is Thought exactly the same. In an ideal world, none of them would be PM for me.
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