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[David Guiza]

I can't cope with the people saying they're voting for the Brexit Party on the basis of any of the milkshake incidents (something I never thought I'd say). No qualms whatsoever if you're voting on the basis that they represent your views and vision moving forwards, but if you're voting on the basis of the actions of one or two plebs then there is something wrong with you. 

 

As for my personal vote, I was torn between Lib Dem and Greens but I think I'll ultimately go Green. I generally side somewhere between Green and Labour politically anyway so it makes the most sense. 

[Nalis]

Went for Lib Dems

[MC Prussian]

The "gender pay gap" - I think we need more information on her case before we can call it inequality:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/may/22/female-bbc-manager-offered-12000-pounds-less-than-man-same-role

 

Does she work the same hours?

Does she have the same broadcast experience as her male counterpart? BBC says no:

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“Roger has worked at or above this level for several years whereas Karen was offered this role as a promotion, with a significant pay increase. We think most people would understand that these factors would result in some difference between their individual pay,” he said.

Does she have the same or a similar education?

Could it be that she didn't bargain well enough in the first place?

How much does she actually earn or would she currently earn per month? The higher the total salary, the smaller the actual earnings gap.

[Voll Blau]

Decided I was voting Green the other day before it became cool. 

 

Came to the conclusion then I couldn't deal with Labour top brass any longer using my vote as a pro-Brexit statistic and taking it for granted, even though I know their MEP candidates are pro-Remain and would do a decent job of representing that view within the party and in Brussels. Proportional representation really is a great vehicle for protest though, and there's a slim chance the Greens could get a seat here too so I don't feel like I've wasted my vote on a practical level.

[Guest MattP]

12 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

I can't cope with the people saying they're voting for the Brexit Party on the basis of any of the milkshake incidents (something I never thought I'd say). 

I dont think anyone will actually be turned by such things. You might get a few Brexit leaning voters who couldn't be arsed to go out but then do make the effort after reading about it but that's it.

 

It's pretty appalling though seeing pensioners covered in shit just because of their political views, hopefully the courts send a strong message to the perpetrators. 

[David Guiza]

5 minutes ago, MattP said:

I dont think anyone will actually be turned by such things. You might get a few Brexit leaning voters who couldn't be arsed to go out but then do make the effort after reading about it but that's it.

 

It's pretty appalling though seeing pensioners covered in shit just because of their political views, hopefully the courts send a strong message to the perpetrators. 

I've seen plenty of people saying it, though I suspect you're right in that they were either going to vote that way or that's given the final impetus to head to polling station. 

 

Absolutely, I've questioned a pro Brexit pensioner before pre the referendum because he was handing out leaflets saying that the EU was anti-Christian and I was intrigued as to what exactly he meant by that and we had a reasonable (if a little odd) discussion. Social media has made it 1000x worse in that on the one hand it's enraged people and the other it's encouraged other idiots. There are literally no winners.  

[Alf Bentley]

20 minutes ago, MattP said:

I dont think anyone will actually be turned by such things. You might get a few Brexit leaning voters who couldn't be arsed to go out but then do make the effort after reading about it but that's it.

 

It's pretty appalling though seeing pensioners covered in shit just because of their political views, hopefully the courts send a strong message to the perpetrators. 

 

Direct action by the Revolution Eliminate Dogshit Party (Marxist-Leninist)? 

[WigstonWanderer]

4 hours ago, FIF said:

Are you saying that you really don't understand the "massive" difference between a soft brexit and not leaving? 

 

The first one could sort of be argued as being in line with the referendum, the second one can't and means we may have well ignored the referendum.

 

I'm with you in not wanting a no deal or hard brexit but they are both in line with the referendum result as is a soft brexit. Remain is not. I just think you are trying to convince people of what you think is best with facts that are clearly false. 

 

 You have reached the maximum number of posts you can make per day. - maybe someone can point out to Mark that his recent update has resulted in me having limited posts :-)

Not really sure what you’re getting at. I’m saying that in practical terms a soft Brexit is way less damaging than a no deal Brexit and that a no deal Brexit, whatever the clamour for Farage is still a minority position with the electorate.

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Why are you not adding Labour into that 47? Their current party policy is to leave the European Union.

Technically that’s true, and there’s certainly room for argument, but I’d expect most leave supporting labourites to have deserted for the Brexit party. Likewise the remaining Tory voters are probably split between Soft Brexit and Remain. Ultimately there is simply insufficient information in these stats to be sure.

 

My main point was that no deal Brexit is still comfortably a minority position in the electorate as a whole, though this is yet to be confirmed in the actual election.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Not really sure what you’re getting at. I’m saying that in practical terms a soft Brexit is way less damaging than a no deal Brexit and that a no deal Brexit, whatever the clamour for Farage is still a minority position with the electorate.

I understand what you are saying.

 

The referendum was in or out of the EU? 

 

You are comparing Out with out and in - seems to have nothing to do with the problem.

 

We are clearly talking EU bananas and american Steel.

 

 

[WigstonWanderer]

Just now, FIF said:

I understand what you are saying.

 

The referendum was in or out of the EU? 

 

You are comparing Out with out and in - seems to have nothing to do with the problem.

 

We are clearly talking EU bananas and american Steel.

 

 

No idea what you’re talking about

[Finnaldo]

3 hours ago, Facecloth said:

You got a link?

 

Here you go pal:

 

 

[Nick]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I dont think anyone will actually be turned by such things. You might get a few Brexit leaning voters who couldn't be arsed to go out but then do make the effort after reading about it but that's it.

 

It's pretty appalling though seeing pensioners covered in shit just because of their political views, hopefully the courts send a strong message to the perpetrators. 

Pensioners covered in shit?

 

What have I missed and is there a video link?

[Buce]

Just now, Swan Lesta said:

Pensioners covered in shit?

 

What have I missed and is there a video link?

 

Pretty sure it's in the Tinder thread.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Voted for the Brexit Party, should be an easy win really.

[Buce]

21 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Voted for the Brexit Party, should be an easy win really.

 

And there was I thinking universal suffrage was a positive facet of society.

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

And there was I thinking universal suffrage was a positive facet of society. 

What do you mean by that?

[Buce]

'Phenomenal' 2,300-year-old bark shield found in Leicestershire

Archaeologists hail iron age object a ‘marvellous, internationally important find’

 

An “astonishing and unparalleled” 2,300-year-old shield made of tree bark has been discovered in Leicestershire, the only example of its kind ever found in Europe.

Archaeologists say the discovery of the shield, made between 395 and 250BC, has completely overturned assumptions about the weapons used in the iron age, sparking breathless reactions among experts of the period.

“This is an absolutely phenomenal object, one of the most marvellous, internationally important finds that I have encountered in my career,” said Julia Farley, curator of British and European iron age collections at the British Museum.

“So often it is gold which grabs the headlines, but this bark shield is much rarer.”

The shield was discovered in 2015 by archaeologists from the University of Leicester Archaeological Service in a site close to the River Soar. Organic objects from the period very rarely survive, but the shield was preserved in waterlogged soil and may have been deposited in a water-filled pit, according to Matt Beamish, the lead archaeologist for the service.

 

Bark shields of the period were entirely unknown in the northern hemisphere, he told the Guardian, and the assumption was that the material may have been too flimsy for use in war. However experiments to remake the weapon in alder and willow showed the 3mm-thick shield would have been tough enough for battle but incredibly light.

It was likely that, contrary to assumptions, similar weapons were widespread, Beamish said.

 

The shield is made from green bark that has been stiffened with internal wooden laths, described by Beamish as “like a whalebone corset of split hardwood”, and surrounded by a rim of hazel, with a twisted willow boss. “This is a lost technology. It has not been seen before as far as we are aware, but presumably it is a technique that was used in many ways for making bark items.”

The malleable green wood would then tighten as it dried, giving the shield its strength and forming the rounded rectangles into a slightly “waisted” shape, like a subtle figure of eight.

That was significant, said Farley, because it was exactly the shape of the ornate Battersea shield, which was dredged from the Thames in the mid-19th century and dates from the same period.

“So it is possible this incredibly rare organic object is giving us some little hints about why we see what we see when we look at the metal objects. The Battersea shield might be pretending to be a shield like this.”

Because so little organic material survives from the period, she said, “we are left with the earthworks, the shiny metal work, some of the ironwork, but we don’t really see the everyday world of these people: the wooden houses they lived in with their thatched roofs, their clothing … and so really the visual world of the iron age is lost to us. But something like this is just a little tiny window into that, which for me is fabulous and so exciting.”

The shield has been donated to the British Museum where Farley said she hoped it would go on display next year.

[Nick]

[Lionator]

I'm convinced the pensioner being 'milkshaked' is staged and I'll apologise if an arrest is made and somebody is found liable.

 

It's just way too good to be true, he's a veteran, he's old, he's a brexit voter, it's literally a Brexit party outrage generators wet dream. 

[ealingfox]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

I'm convinced the pensioner being 'milkshaked' is staged and I'll apologise if an arrest is made and somebody is found liable.

 

It's just way too good to be true, he's a veteran, he's old, he's a brexit voter, it's literally a Brexit party outrage generators wet dream. 

 

Correct (I reckon).

 

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

7 hours ago, Lionator said:

I'm convinced the pensioner being 'milkshaked' is staged and I'll apologise if an arrest is made and somebody is found liable. 

 

It's just way too good to be true, he's a veteran, he's old, he's a brexit voter, it's literally a Brexit party outrage generators wet dream.  

It is very suspicious I must admit. It would have certainly got those who were debating voting for BP but couldn't be bothered off their arses and into a polling station.

[Strokes]

7 hours ago, ealingfox said:

 

Correct (I reckon).

 

 

I hope so.

[Jimothy]

Good point about the filming of the act.

[Guest MattP]

17 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Good point about the filming of the act.

I think only one the recent "chukers" have filmed themselves have they? The TR one.

 

The guy who egged Corbyn was caught on CCTV, the Farage thrower was on film because the cameras were following it.

 

It could be fake though, quite clever if so - the gofundme page was on about 15 grand as well last night.