MC Prussian Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: That's a joke, right? More in the sense that most papers tend to be leaning to the left of the political spectrum, thus being more open to the idea of a European Union. That's just my assumption.
bovril Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 Just now, MC Prussian said: More in the sense that most papers tend to be leaning to the left of the political spectrum, thus being more open to the idea of a European Union. That's just my assumption. I don't think there is a mainstream newspaper that is particularly left wing in the UK. Even the Guardian is more centrist these days.
Foxxed Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: This assumes that accept will win another referendum True. But no even the Brexiteer MPs like the deal so it's hardly ridiculous to say decline-the-deal would win. 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: I don't think the vote can be any two options alone, really. I think it needs to be Leave Deal, Leave No Deal, Stay. Maybe even Leave Deal, Leave No Deal, Postpone (to whatever extent that's possible), Stay. I don't think you can really get all of the available options in to any fair vote with just two options given how split everyone is, especially given how split the Leave camp are in what they actually want. You'll have people who want this deal, people who want a better deal, people who want no deal. Then even amongst remainers, you may want have those who always wanted to remain or people who've swung round to remain but would only vote as such if certain assurances were made that there'd, for example, be another referendum in X years time if things didn't improve. People are more informed than they were but they're also as divided as they've ever been and the ludicrously naive rhetoric from entrenched Leavers about how everyone just needs to pull together now is silly in the extreme. Multi choice referendum with first choice, second choice options about as fair as you're going to get. Christ, a multi choice referendum sounds confusing. I still imagine you'll have voters who say: "I voted for Brexit. But I don't want this Brexit. Go back and get me my Brexit! The system is a sham! I'll vote for anyone who bloodies the nose of these bastard politicians!" With or without Britain leaving the EU, the rise of the antiestablishment extreme right is out of the bottle - something that worries me much more than trade deals and tariffs.
MC Prussian Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 Time to bring this Mark Blyth interview back to the surface:
Foxxed Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 Brexit is a godsent to the antiestablishment right wing. "We promised you a Brexit paradise. But the politicians have destroyed the promised paradise! Support us against those bastards!"
Innovindil Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 30 minutes ago, Foxxed said: Brexit is a godsent to the antiestablishment right wing. "We promised you a Brexit paradise. But the politicians have destroyed the promised paradise! Support us against those bastards!" The irony of this is the majority of anti (current) establishment vitriol in this thread and its predecessors came from the left.
Strokes Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 4 hours ago, MattP said: Well what a turn up, I'm amazed, absolutely amazed Oh, shock.
AKCJ Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 Former Labour leader Ed Miliband asks the PM whether she will not take the UK out of the EU without a deal on 12 April if the Commons "continues to vote against no deal". Theresa May replies that "if we are not going to leave the European Union without a deal, then we need to clearly have a deal which enables us to leave the European Union". Sounding like the Scottish hotel owner in Little Britain.
Captain... Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 5 hours ago, MattP said: I'll ask again. Why would any leaver trust you or parliament to honour the result of a second referendum? I wouldn't at all - if it came back with no deal you'd then just come up with a reason as to why we need a third referendum. Because there will, hopefully, only be viable options on the table. If we have a second referendum with remain, leave with May’s deal, leave with no deal, EFTA, have your cake and eat it and unicorns for all as the options then if an option wins that is not viable then no it won’t be honoured. The only reason there is a call for a second referendum is because the ‘all things to all men’ Brexit we were promised hasn’t materialised and we have May’s miserable little compromise as the only viable option. You put all the viable options on the table and put it to the people. You are partly right earlier I do want Brexit overturned and this is the only way it can be, but more than that I don’t want this incompetent shower we call politicians doing any more damage. A successful Brexit was possible but this lot have made not finding it into an art form. It has been 3 years of utter cluelessness I am ready to give up all power to Brussels and make Juncker our King. The quickest way for all of this to just go away is to revoke article 50 and pretend none of this ever happened. So that gets my vote.
Guest Manini Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 In non political news, Gary Mac was attacked by two “American men” in Leeds city centre on Saturday night. The same two men attacked two others as well including a lady apparently. Knowing the Leeds locals as I do, especially the football fans, if it ever comes to light who they are they’d be wise to not show their faces around here. Not that we take the law in to our own hands or anything, I just know how many have a go hero, nutjobs are about here.
Buce Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 Cardiff claimig Sala deal ‘not legally binding’. Classy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47696561
urban.spaceman Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 9 minutes ago, Buce said: Cardiff claimig Sala deal ‘not legally binding’. Classy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47696561 Should really be conducted behind closed doors so it doesn’t look like you’re treating the life of a young footballer as a ****ing commodity.
Wymsey Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606
Captain... Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 44 minutes ago, Buce said: Cardiff claimig Sala deal ‘not legally binding’. Classy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47696561 If it was not completed legally then Cardiff would be mad to pay the fee it would invalidate any insurance claim, because any insurance company would check all the paperwork before paying out. If he was still legally a Nantes player then they would be entitled to claim the insurance. A ruling needs to be made and insurance claimed. As urban spaceman says this should all be done be done behind closed doors because it is not just an insurance claim over ownership someone lost their life in a completely avoidable way.
Heathrow fox Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 1 hour ago, Manini said: In non political news, Gary Mac was attacked by two “American men” in Leeds city centre on Saturday night. The same two men attacked two others as well including a lady apparently. Knowing the Leeds locals as I do, especially the football fans, if it ever comes to light who they are they’d be wise to not show their faces around here. Not that we take the law in to our own hands or anything, I just know how many have a go hero, nutjobs are about here. How the hell did that happen?
Guest Manini Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 26 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said: How the hell did that happen? In fairness I’ve done the typical tabloid trick and just rehashed the story before I’ve had chance to read the full story. Apparently he’s had to have a fair few stitches and has lost a couple teeth so sounds like they did a proper job on him bless him https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-legend-gary-mcallister-hospitalised-after-city-centre-attack-1-9669754 story there, don’t know where the second bloke comes in to it.
BlueSi13 Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 As a Brexiteer I would support another referendum. May's/Government's deal Vs WTO We voted to leave the European Union in 2016 with the largest mandate in British political history. To remain now would see historic levels of civil unrest and political upheaval. We elected a government in 2017 who went and negotiated what they felt was the best deal for the country. Therefore as this deal stands no chance of making it through the HOC, I personally feel the way through is to put the question to the people. Knowing what we know now, hearing all the doom, all of the gloom, all of the rumour, all of the innuendo, all of the posturing and bluster from politicians and the media, do we the people want to leave with the Governments deal, or do we go on WTO terms? I personally believe this is the logical choice and would deliver a final result that would start to bring the country back together. As for the European Union, let's see where we both are in ten years. For sure if it's been a catastrophe and the EU is thriving I am absolutely sure a party will stand on a platform arguing we should rejoin. Then we can have the arguments as to what Rejoining would look like if that party is elected.
Captain... Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 33 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said: As for the European Union, let's see where we both are in ten years. For sure if it's been a catastrophe and the EU is thriving I am absolutely sure a party will stand on a platform arguing we should rejoin. Then we can have the arguments as to what Rejoining would look like if that party is elected. Are you a masochist? In ten years time we’ll barely have got over either option you propose best case scenario is we have reached the peak of the pain and can start seeing the gain. I’m as big a remainer as you get but if we actually leave there is no way I want to go through this again but in reverse. I’m sick of Brexit and I’ll be even more sick of “Brejoin”. If you think in 10 years time we’ll be looking to return why on earth would we leave?
Beechey Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 29 minutes ago, Captain... said: Are you a masochist? In ten years time we’ll barely have got over either option you propose best case scenario is we have reached the peak of the pain and can start seeing the gain. I’m as big a remainer as you get but if we actually leave there is no way I want to go through this again but in reverse. I’m sick of Brexit and I’ll be even more sick of “Brejoin”. If you think in 10 years time we’ll be looking to return why on earth would we leave? Except May's deal is nothing to do with the future relationship. It could easily be that the deal passes and we end up inside the Single Market (preferably through EFTA) - which is my preference.
Grebfromgrebland Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 Back to the comedy this is unbelievable and they are clearly showing their true colours and future intentions or maybe I'm paranoid. Maybe they didn't know what the KKK called themselves.
David Guiza Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 2 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606 Astounding that he thought it was akin to the Civil Rights movement, the warped minds of these idiots are incredible. The far right and left haven't half inspired some utter morons over the past few years. You'd think the Jo Cox murder would wake these people up to the reality of their actions, but seemingly not. Also, egging and punching now synonyms it seems, were he carrying his house keys whilst punching I assume the headline wouldn't have been 'Corbyn keyed'. I appreciate that egging is a longstanding political protest - this however is not that.
Legend_in_blue Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 May = She's done. Time to throw in the towel.
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