Guest Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 14 hours ago, lgfualol said: Good news if you are not Benkovic or Soyuncu. Hopefully we won't have another Dragovic situation here.
blueharmie Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 14 hours ago, Corky said: And he replaced Matt Mills who cost £5 million. You could reverse the valuations and one would still be a bargain and the other overpriced for what they've offered. Matt Claude mills . New there was something I didn't like about him. Also now playing Indian football. Glad he has found his level. Wes is a legend .hopefully he can stay on and coach .
Babylon Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 32 minutes ago, FIF said: Hopefully we won't have another Dragovic situation here. What, he ends up still being better than a decent but massively overrated player.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 Pleased at this, worth keeping him next season to help integrate Benkovic/Soyuncu further.
Guest Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 10 minutes ago, Babylon said: What, he ends up still being better than a decent but massively overrated player. No an ageing, slow CB keeps a young talented CB out of the squad and eventually pisses him off so much that he wants to leave.
Babylon Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 15 minutes ago, FIF said: No an ageing, slow CB keeps a young talented CB out of the squad and eventually pisses him off so much that he wants to leave. He wasn't our player, he wasn't even THAT good.
mozartfox Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 5 minutes ago, Babylon said: He wasn't our player, he wasn't even THAT good. Harsh he has 70 caps for Austria and is only 28!
Guest Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 9 minutes ago, Babylon said: He wasn't our player, he wasn't even THAT good. That's an opinion. I thought he was better than Wes and certainly a better long term as in this year proposition. He's been playing in a top 6 Bundesliga team this season and in Europe and for Austria. But that wasn't my point. My point was that keeping Wes on for another year is demotivating for our bevy of good, young CBs and could mean that Benkovic or Soyuncu or any of the 3 or 4 decent U23s or all of them decide that Leicester isn't the place for them to break into premier league football. This off -season is the time (finally) when we can cut out lots of overpaid contracts - thank you contracts to champion players - and build for next year and the future. Wes new one year contract salary is probably the same as the total for Benko, Soy and 4 u23 CBs.
ALC Fox Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 I think we've already started to see Wes being phased out. Maguire and Evans have done well between then and I think it's clear that's the preferred partnership when playing four at the back. Fair play to Wes for stepping up as he did do and for showing just the player he was and is still capable of being at the weekend. The thing with Wes is that I think the quality of his performances may just benefit from being rested and not playing 90 minutes every 4-7 days. He's played a lot of football over the last few years. I'm excited by what Benkovic and Soyuncu can do for us, but I think it's worth keeping Wes on as backup and to help the both of them, and the other youngsters, settle into the squad. It's then up to them to force themselves into the starting lineup and match day squad.
FLAN Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 17 hours ago, weller54 said: He could have a career, after football, in after dinner speaking?.. Err, err, err, let me err tell you err all err about the err Premier err league err title winning err year err..... Having listened to the clip the club put out I can’t imagine how tedious it must have been pre game and half time to listen to Puel and then Morgan talking
Haywood_6 Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 1 hour ago, FIF said: That's an opinion. I thought he was better than Wes and certainly a better long term as in this year proposition. He's been playing in a top 6 Bundesliga team this season and in Europe and for Austria. But that wasn't my point. My point was that keeping Wes on for another year is demotivating for our bevy of good, young CBs and could mean that Benkovic or Soyuncu or any of the 3 or 4 decent U23s or all of them decide that Leicester isn't the place for them to break into premier league football. This off -season is the time (finally) when we can cut out lots of overpaid contracts - thank you contracts to champion players - and build for next year and the future. Wes new one year contract salary is probably the same as the total for Benko, Soy and 4 u23 CBs. I would like to see Benkovic and Soyuncu get chances. But i do understand the reasons behind the extension, our squad is an extremely young one compared to the rest of the league. You need some experience in the Prem. If we do sell Maguire (which i think is our most likely outgoing in the summer) then we'll have 4 CB's next to choose from and i'd hope Evans and Benkovic is the pairing we use
mozartfox Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 1 hour ago, FIF said: That's an opinion. I thought he was better than Wes and certainly a better long term as in this year proposition. He's been playing in a top 6 Bundesliga team this season and in Europe and for Austria. But that wasn't my point. My point was that keeping Wes on for another year is demotivating for our bevy of good, young CBs and could mean that Benkovic or Soyuncu or any of the 3 or 4 decent U23s or all of them decide that Leicester isn't the place for them to break into premier league football. This off -season is the time (finally) when we can cut out lots of overpaid contracts - thank you contracts to champion players - and build for next year and the future. Wes new one year contract salary is probably the same as the total for Benko, Soy and 4 u23 CBs. 3 I agree with most of this. This on my part is not an anti-Wes thing, but 'nostalgia' can and often does hold back the future. If we can afford such contracts and they do not hold back progression of the Club and its' youngsters, then I trust in Rogers. But this mention of Soyuncu making a mistake at Fulham (which comes up often) when the rest of the defense have an absolute abundance of assists between them this season, seems un-warranted and hopefully he gets his chance during the rest of the season.
volpeazzurro Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 9 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said: I would like to see Benkovic and Soyuncu get chances. But i do understand the reasons behind the extension, our squad is an extremely young one compared to the rest of the league. You need some experience in the Prem. If we do sell Maguire (which i think is our most likely outgoing in the summer) then we'll have 4 CB's next to choose from and i'd hope Evans and Benkovic is the pairing we use Agreed though it seems odd that neither Puel or Rodgers, though early days, haven't had Soyuncu as an option on the bench. He's been 'ok' from what I've seen but without being better than the other options. The managers though get to see them all week. Not good for a young player to not get regular football though. I think there must have been a real threat of Maguire going when we bought two cbs and of course there still might be. Even more reason to start blooding him to find out his standard in first team games.
Babylon Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 1 hour ago, FIF said: That's an opinion. I thought he was better than Wes and certainly a better long term as in this year proposition. He's been playing in a top 6 Bundesliga team this season and in Europe and for Austria. But that wasn't my point. My point was that keeping Wes on for another year is demotivating for our bevy of good, young CBs and could mean that Benkovic or Soyuncu or any of the 3 or 4 decent U23s or all of them decide that Leicester isn't the place for them to break into premier league football. This off -season is the time (finally) when we can cut out lots of overpaid contracts - thank you contracts to champion players - and build for next year and the future. Wes new one year contract salary is probably the same as the total for Benko, Soy and 4 u23 CBs. You do what is right for the club, not individuals. We already have one of the youngest squads in the league, and perhaps Soyuncu just isn't very good. Perhaps the youth players aren't very good. It's not like Puel was shy on giving young players a chance and he's not touched them with a barge pole for probably a very good reason.
RonnieTodger Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 Just from social media, you can tell what the other lads think of him. Hero.
hackneyfox Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 17 hours ago, StriderHiryu said: I’d be shocked if Wes and Kasper don’t join our coaching team in the future. I could even see them as managers / assistants here one day. Wes yes (although I'd prefer Huth clearly the players love Morgan) Kasper to coach keepers in how to position yourself for free kicks, distribute the ball, control your box and come for crosses? No thanks!
Guest Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 24 minutes ago, Babylon said: You do what is right for the club, not individuals. We already have one of the youngest squads in the league, and perhaps Soyuncu just isn't very good. Perhaps the youth players aren't very good. It's not like Puel was shy on giving young players a chance and he's not touched them with a barge pole for probably a very good reason. From what we've seen Soyuncu looks fine - better than an ageing, mistake prone Wes imo. The youth CBs are good too. You are correct though you SHOULD do what is right for the club, if Wes wasn't with us would we even consider signing him for a year. Not on your nelly. That should tell you everything you need to know. We have the experience of Evans at CB and we have Maguire. If we really need the experience of Wes too then let's sign him as a player-coach, if he's going to get premier league game time next season then we have problems and won't be competing for Europe that Rodgers and Top talk about. If he's not being considered a starter for next season then let's give Soyuncu the next 3 or 4 games to see if he's where we want to go next year. The problem with training is that the team doesn't play like in a match, someone like Wes won't be in a panic situation in training like he is during a prem game. And of course in training he isn't up against a big prem striker. it's either Vardy - who is way too fast for him or one of the inexperienced lads who will be learning from him but he won't be learning from them. It's another reason that not having a Slimani or Ulloa on the training ground is a big minus for the city and why we get exposed so often at corners in the prem.
cropstonfox Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 If the others are good enough they will win the shirt and keep it. Wes will only ever play based on form not on reputation.
weller54 Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 1 hour ago, FLAN said: Having listened to the clip the club put out I can’t imagine how tedious it must have been pre game and half time to listen to Puel and then Morgan talking Err err let's err play with err some err quailiteeee.
mozartfox Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 32 minutes ago, FIF said: From what we've seen Soyuncu looks fine - better than an ageing, mistake prone Wes imo. The youth CBs are good too. You are correct though you SHOULD do what is right for the club, if Wes wasn't with us would we even consider signing him for a year. Not on your nelly. That should tell you everything you need to know. We have the experience of Evans at CB and we have Maguire. If we really need the experience of Wes too then let's sign him as a player-coach, if he's going to get premier league game time next season then we have problems and won't be competing for Europe that Rodgers and Top talk about. If he's not being considered a starter for next season then let's give Soyuncu the next 3 or 4 games to see if he's where we want to go next year. The problem with training is that the team doesn't play like in a match, someone like Wes won't be in a panic situation in training like he is during a prem game. And of course in training he isn't up against a big prem striker. it's either Vardy - who is way too fast for him or one of the inexperienced lads who will be learning from him but he won't be learning from them. It's another reason that not having a Slimani or Ulloa on the training ground is a big minus for the city and why we get exposed so often at corners in the prem.
don_danbury Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 4 hours ago, blueharmie said: Matt Claude mills . New there was something I didn't like about him. Also now playing Indian football. Glad he has found his level. Wes is a legend .hopefully he can stay on and coach . owned by an indian actor, and managed by phil brown. damn
Babylon Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 1 hour ago, FIF said: From what we've seen Soyuncu looks fine - better than an ageing, mistake prone Wes imo. Ha ha have you watched the games he's played, he's mucked up massively in literally every single game he's played. 1 hour ago, FIF said: The youth CBs are good too. Look good against who? They've not played at any decent level to even know that. One of our brightest CB prospects is currently struggling away in the Belgium second division. 1 hour ago, FIF said: You are correct though you SHOULD do what is right for the club, if Wes wasn't with us would we even consider signing him for a year. Not on your nelly. That should tell you everything you need to know. If you were looking for an experienced player to fill a space in a premier league squad, yes you would sign him. 1 hour ago, FIF said: We have the experience of Evans at CB and we have Maguire. If we really need the experience of Wes too then let's sign him as a player-coach, if he's going to get premier league game time next season then we have problems and won't be competing for Europe that Rodgers and Top talk about. If he's not being considered a starter for next season then let's give Soyuncu the next 3 or 4 games to see if he's where we want to go next year. Like we had problem beating Burnley with him in the team, or Chelsea, or Man City, or Watford, or Cardiff, or Newcastle, or Saints. The bloke has had some poor games (just like Maguire has), but he's been absolutely fine for the vast majority of his time. He's getting game time now and we're still competing for European spots and he's only going to move down the pecking order even more. See you are doing what most people do, it's about YOU wanting to see Soyuncu. You don't pick the team, the manager does and he sees them in training every single day. If he thought the lad was the answer, he'd be playing him or giving him chances. 1 hour ago, FIF said: The problem with training is that the team doesn't play like in a match, someone like Wes won't be in a panic situation in training like he is during a prem game. And of course in training he isn't up against a big prem striker. it's either Vardy - who is way too fast for him or one of the inexperienced lads who will be learning from him but he won't be learning from them. It's another reason that not having a Slimani or Ulloa on the training ground is a big minus for the city and why we get exposed so often at corners in the prem. So how bad does Soyuncu have to be in training against these shit strikers then to not get a sniff? It's the old assumption that someone new is always better than someone who has been here ages, heard it with Silva, Iborra, Iheanacho when they signed. Then they play and they just aren't actually that good.
Guest Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 Ah. The famous Babylon rant whenever someone has an opinion that isn't the same as the great Babylon's opinion. YOU think Wes is good enough for our team in the prem challenging for europe next year. I don't. And before you go making FALSE FACTS from opinions I'll just correct your "FACT". I don't want Wes starting for us next season, my opinion is that he isn't and won't be good enough and that we should easily get someone better. I want to see Rodgers try out our other options in the real games that exist this season where there is no pressure of relegation. So please stop telling me what I think and what I want because clearly you don't know due to a failure to understand what I write.
foxinsocks Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 Wes isnt a starter fir me.. and every season will be downhill . Yet his performance is boosted by his role and experience at the club... i am happy to keep him if he is happy to fill in for suspensions and injuries.
FLAN Posted 19 March 2019 Posted 19 March 2019 7 hours ago, RonnieTodger said: Just from social media, you can tell what the other lads think of him. Hero. Just hoping he picks them at the weekend
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